Australian cheating at Newlands, where to from here?

[jo172]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cri...unned-australian-players-20180326-p4z6cc.html

Alright internet detectives, who is the 'Secret Cricketer'. Recently Retired, experienced first class cricketer.

First thoughts are either Ed Cowan or Doug Bollinger.

Bollinger is in no way that literate.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

Yeah, we should also go back and get Faf kicked out of World Sports too. And Richie Douglas should get a lifetime ban for that bump. And the guy who stole my 1996 corolla should be shot.

They rubbed something on the ball to try and rough the surface up a bit. They didn't commit war crimes.

The team organised to take stuff on the field to do it. Not a war crime, but organised cheating. Not something the Australian cricket team should be known for.

 

[Total Power]

I get the point you're trying to make, but Sarwan never really went over the edge in my book. He responded to a childish sledge with an appropriately childish response that in any other context (i.e. if Jane wasn't really sick with cancer) would've or at least should've been simply laughed at.

I would doubt if it was "a" sledge though, McGrath had a big mouth, he did admit he felt terrible about the incident later on though and took responsibility for it. "I could sit here and make plenty of excuses but it still doesn't justify why it happened," McGrath said. "I guess I just got a bit frustrated.". I assume he said something really nasty, but again, if you are provoking people with personal stuff, then expect a response in kind. This is exactly what happened with de Kock too, i refuse to believe that a bloke like de Kock will just insult Warner's wife like that. While i am not taking de Kock's side, the person provoking others should be responsible.

 

[hong_kong_bond]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cri...unned-australian-players-20180326-p4z6cc.html

Alright internet detectives, who is the 'Secret Cricketer'. Recently Retired, experienced first class cricketer.

First thoughts are either Ed Cowan or Doug Bollinger.

Ed was my first thought - no way Bollinger wrote this.

Maxy Klinger is the other one who comes to mind as having the intelligence to write a cohesive argument and is a suitably qualified experienced first-class cricketer who also spent time overseas.... or Dave Hussey

 

[Feerits Elf]

OK silly question time.

If Warner's method of using abrasive materials on the flesh-coloured tape he wears on his left thumb and forefinger to roughen up the ball is so brilliant that he drunkenly brags about it to the vanquished England team, why do he and Smith need to resort to Bancroft's tactic of using bright yellow sticky tape from the kitbag?

 

[jo172]

OK silly question time.

If Warner's method of using abrasive materials on the flesh-coloured tape he wears on his left thumb and forefinger to roughen up the ball is so brilliant that he drunkenly brags about it to the vanquished England team, why do he and Smith need to resort to Bancroft's tactic of using bright yellow sticky tape from the kitbag?

One of the many appalling things from this whole debacle is not only are Smith and Warner cheats, it's how embarrassingly bad they are at cheating.

Kind of like these blokes

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

You mean the guy that saw his family insulted and attacked by opposition players, staff and supporters?

If the Australian team management overreacted to this level, I could never support them again.

You mean the guy that has gotten personal with every country besides India? And the only reason he doesn’t do it there is because he knows it would kill his IPL contract.

There’s nothing more pathetic than someone who gives it, and gives it, and gives it, then as soon as they get it back they sook it up.

Quinton De Kock had every right to say what he said after the way Warner carried himself.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Ed was my first thought - no way Bollinger wrote this.

Maxy Klinger is the other one who comes to mind as having the intelligence to write a cohesive argument and is a suitably qualified experienced first-class cricketer who also spent time overseas.... or Dave Hussey

I doubt it was Ed Cowan as he has done quite a lot of cricket writing in his own name.

 

[Numtums]

I reckon we've seen Warner's last Test. Whatever ban he gets, I think he might be seen as more trouble than he's worth now and his card's marked as never again.

Please! Dave Warner is like the Nathan Buckley of cricket.
No matter what Warner does, Eddie (CA) won't sack him.
How the heck he was given the Vice Captaincy beggars belief.
Similar to the Warne situation, just a tenth of the talent.
Warner will get the lettuce leaf and probably end up skipper in 18 months time CA is so out of touch with the market.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

I would doubt if it was "a" sledge though, McGrath had a big mouth, he did admit he felt terrible about the incident later on though and took responsibility for it. "I could sit here and make plenty of excuses but it still doesn't justify why it happened," McGrath said. "I guess I just got a bit frustrated.". I assume he said something really nasty, but again, if you are provoking people with personal stuff, then expect a response in kind. This is exactly what happened with de Kock too, i refuse to believe that a bloke like de Kock will just insult Warner's wife like that. While i am not taking de Kock's side, the person provoking others should be responsible.

Oh, I'm with you 100% on Warner/de Kock. There is nothing that screams bully like constantly riling people up and then completely over-reacting when it comes back your way.

The story goes with McGrath/Sarwan is that McGrath asked him "What does Brian Lara's c*** taste like?" and Sarwan responded that he didn't know and that McGrath should ask his wife. Then McGrath went nuts, obviously due to stress around Jane's diagnosis.

 

[Numtums]

You mean the guy that saw his family insulted and attacked by opposition players, staff and supporters?

If the Australian team management overreacted to this level, I could never support them again.

Warner is a serial offender and first class campaigner.

His family were just randomly attacked? For no reason at all a bloke started to mock Warner and his wife? Makes sense.

How many offences must Warner commit before everyone just accepts he is a rubbish bloke, should not be in any leadership role and can't score runs outside of Australian roads?

The head must be cut off the snake. Warner, Smith and Boof are finished.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Please! Dave Warner is like the Nathan Buckley of cricket.
No matter what Warner does, Eddie (CA) won't sack him.
How the heck he was given the Vice Captaincy beggars belief.
Similar to the Warne situation, just a tenth of the talent.
Warner will get the lettuce leaf and probably end up skipper in 18 months time CA is so out of touch with the market.

Warne was an absolute genuis and one of the best cricketing brains ever (I know it’s hard to believe with the dribble he speaks now), I don’t think Warner even knows how to tie his own shoes. Can’t compare them.

 

[Numtums]

Oh, I'm with you 100% on Warner/de Kock. There is nothing that screams bully like constantly riling people up and then completely over-reacting when it comes back your way.

The story goes with McGrath/Sarwan is that McGrath asked him "What does Brian Lara's c*** taste like?" and Sarwan responded that he didn't know and that McGrath should ask his wife. Then McGrath went nuts, obviously due to stress around Jane's diagnosis.

Yes, that's the story Merv told us at a sportsmen night.

If you want to get grubby and homophobic, then nothing is off limits in a reply.

 

[Numtums]

Warne was an absolute genuis and one of the best cricketing brains ever (I know it’s hard to believe with the dribble he speaks now), I don’t think Warner even knows how to tie his own shoes. Can’t compare them.

Agreed, more talking about Warne being a serial offender and always in the middle of controversy.

Cost him the Australian Captaincy though.

 

[Zeox7]

Sutherland is a hopeless, pathetic leader, with no vision and no spine, and doesn't seem to be accountable to anyone. It's no wonder the culture has deteriorated so much under his watch, I don't know how he has lasted this long. Is he going to acknowledge his own responsibility in all of this, or just blame everyone else?

Change needs to come from the top down, not the middle down.

Please Sutherland, for the sake of Australian cricket, do the honourable thing, and **** off.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Im not sure what Sutherland has done wrong here besides not speaking to Smith before his press conference? The blokes a muppet but he has nothing to do with this.

Of the off field team I struggle to come to terms with why the hell Pat Howard isn’t touring with the team more than anything..

 

[JG22]

Is 6 months seen as too light for Smith?

Im of the view that the guy personally would have actually already learnt his lesson getting savaged in the media, suspended and fined. That would not see him miss a heap of meaningful cricket, the most important game being the next one, which he misses anyway. He's not a bad guy but gets caught up in competition and obviously took it too far, Warner is obviously a nasty character on field.

No Smith or Warner in the summer would be an overreaction and poor decision by CA I believe.

 

[dogs105]

Is 6 months seen as too light for Smith?

Im of the view that the guy personally would have actually already learnt his lesson getting savaged in the media, suspended and fined. That would not see him miss a heap of meaningful cricket, the most important game being the next one, which he misses anyway. He's not a bad guy but gets caught up in competition and obviously took it too far, Warner is obviously a nasty character on field.

No Smith or Warner in the summer would be an overreaction and poor decision by CA I believe.

Nah. Not long enough

 

[Kyptastic]

Purely from a time sense, 6 months seems about right in my book. However, given Australia's schedule, he would barely miss any cricket. If this is really going to act as a deterrent to prevent future acts, he needs to miss a full Australian season. A year probably will be the right length of punishment.

Whether they ban him from the IPL during this period of time is another matter. That gets into murky legal issues that CA may not want to get into.

 

[LordLucifer]

Warner is a serial offender and first class campaigner.

His family were just randomly attacked? For no reason at all a bloke started to mock Warner and his wife? Makes sense.

How many offences must Warner commit before everyone just accepts he is a rubbish bloke, should not be in any leadership role and can't score runs outside of Australian roads?

The head must be cut off the snake. Warner, Smith and Boof are finished.

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote in another thread here about the sledging that "Warner is everything bad about Australian Cricket right now", cannot believe how that comment has paid me back in spades.

This ball-tampering episode has been coming for a couple of years now, it was only a matter of time before something large hit the fan, and it sure as hell did on the weekend.

Cricket in this country has been cruising along with not a care in the world whilst the integrity & fabric of the game has been slowly eroded by the bunch of Five-Star clowns running the show. The only reason no-one has noticed is that winning Test Matches has papered over the large cracks.

I keep reading here that only moderate penalties, if any at all, should be the result of this sordid affair.

I'm sorry but this appalling & totally embarrassing situation has finally exposed what I and many others in the 'cricket family' have been worried about for some time. There are deeper issues at hand here and nothing short of a total & permanent cleanout of the guilty players & coaches will rectify the issue as well as signal to the sporting world that we do not condone cheating in any shape or form.

The other part of the equation is that Sutherland and his cronies at CA have overseen this debacle as well as indirectly contributing to it via their shoddy leadership & lack of business acumen. They too have to be cleaned out.

There cannot be any 'sweeping under the carpet' or 'slapping with a wet lettuce leaf' now, the only course of action to "cleanse" cricket in this country is for strong, harsh & decisive penalties to be handed down regardless of what affect that has on our onfield fortunes over the next couple of years.

Smith, Warner, Lehman, Sutherland have to be the first casualties (never to be seen again), anything short of that is paying mere lip service to a national disgrace.

I have to wonder what The Don would have thought of this ??

 

[Numtums]

Is 6 months seen as too light for Smith?

Im of the view that the guy personally would have actually already learnt his lesson getting savaged in the media, suspended and fined. That would not see him miss a heap of meaningful cricket, the most important game being the next one, which he misses anyway. He's not a bad guy but gets caught up in competition and obviously took it too far, Warner is obviously a nasty character on field.

No Smith or Warner in the summer would be an overreaction and poor decision by CA I believe.

Yes! Smith has been Captain during a time where Australia's on and off field behaviour has been a race to the bottom.

Not only has he failed in his role as a leader, but he's often lied or deceived when caught.

Even the other day, he's standing there looking at the umpire ready to get confrontational, until the umps buy Bancroft's lies.

Then he doubles down by the "Yellow tape" story and sitting there whilst Bancroft digs himself a bigger hole.

Smith doesn't get what it is to be the leader of what was once Australia's highest sporting honour.

CA needs to win back the fans after all the moralising we have done to others, so nothing short of a sledgehammer (and maybe a summer missed) will send a clear message to all levels of the game that we don't give a stuff what others are doing and our house is in order! Smith needs 12 months at a minimum.

I'm just waiting for the press conference where Smith claims mental health or the dog for eating his homework. He's not a leaders A-hole!

 

[JG22]

Imagine the test summer without Smith & Warner, that would be interesting against the Indians.

Would also be a massive overreaction

 

[Numtums]

Purely from a time sense, 6 months seems about right in my book. However, given Australia's schedule, he would barely miss any cricket. If this is really going to act as a deterrent to prevent future acts, he needs to miss a full Australian season. A year probably will be the right length of punishment.

Whether they ban him from the IPL during this period of time is another matter. That gets into murky legal issues that CA may not want to get into.

Agreed. At least 2 of them need to miss an entire summer.

And if they lose their IPL contracts and it hits their hip pockets, good!

Opportunity knocks, will CA answer the door with flowers or a lettuce leaf?

I don't want to see Warner or Smith even playing BB for 12 months. They need to pay and then earn their right to get back into the side. Something Warner has never done.

 

[Gough]

Purely from a time sense, 6 months seems about right in my book. However, given Australia's schedule, he would barely miss any cricket. If this is really going to act as a deterrent to prevent future acts, he needs to miss a full Australian season. A year probably will be the right length of punishment.

Whether they ban him from the IPL during this period of time is another matter. That gets into murky legal issues that CA may not want to get into.

I doubt either will play IPL either, the Indians aren't going to waste a chance to take moral high ground here. It's only a matter of time before Warner is stood down as captain and The Oz reported this morning that their franchises were "in talks" about their futures.

 

[JG22]

Yes! Smith has been Captain during a time where Australia's on and off field behaviour has been a race to the bottom.

Not only has he failed in his role as a leader, but he's often lied or deceived when caught.

Even the other day, he's standing there looking at the umpire ready to get confrontational, until the umps buy Bancroft's lies.

Then he doubles down by the "Yellow tape" story and sitting there whilst Bancroft digs himself a bigger hole.

Smith doesn't get what it is to be the leader of what was once Australia's highest sporting honour.

CA needs to win back the fans after all the moralising we have done to others, so nothing short of a sledgehammer (and maybe a summer missed) will send a clear message to all levels of the game that we don't give a stuff what others are doing and our house is in order! Smith needs 12 months at a minimum.

I'm just waiting for the press conference where Smith claims mental health or the dog for eating his homework. He's not a leaders A-hole!

He's one of the best players the countries ever produced, and with his age was always seen as the next captain.

I doubt he thought he was a great leader or others did but thats not how it works in test cricket.

He pretty much had to do it.