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craegus said:
By less history I mean the whole point of the argument of we "fought under the flag" which is always used in the keep the design argument. I concede we fought for the flag, but that is a major difference that changes the whole history of the flag.

The British I speak of is the United Kingdom or Great Britain which as much as Scots, Cornish, Northern Irish or convicts can claim that they hate the English, the flag still represents them, and the use of the Union Jack on our flag represents the British/UK/GB rule over us, a point that cannot be denied.

Yes but holding onto the past does not allow us to truly proceed into the future. Embrace the past by utilising the federation star and southern cross, which represents our history as a nation, but move on from the British rule that does not control us now.



Nope, nope, nope. A flag for all, which singles out none.
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The we didn't fight under our flag i proved nonsense above previously, it's a spin the Ausflag puts out. Technically it may have been a different colour or the stars had less points but it's the same. Soldiers and their wives and girlfriends sewed flags on their uniforms, try telling some old diggers they never fought for us or the flag.

The elitists would not allow us to use the blue ensign but some did.

The UJ made up of St Andrew, St Patrick and St George flags does not rule over us, it symbolises where we came from who we are and what we are a part of. Part of me agrees that we don't need it but isn't that just changing something for the sake of it?

Change the flag due to the British rule as you put it you might as well change our whole establishment as a country.
 
footy_fumbler said:
The we didn't fight under our flag i proved nonsense above previously, it's a spin the Ausflag puts out. Technically it may have been a different colour or the stars had less points but it's the same. Soldiers and their wives and girlfriends sewed flags on their uniforms, try telling some old diggers they never fought for us or the flag.

The elitists would not allow us to use the blue ensign but some did.

The UJ made up of St Andrew, St Patrick and St George flags does not rule over us, it symbolises where we came from who we are and what we are a part of. Part of me agrees that we don't need it but isn't that just changing something for the sake of it?

Change the flag due to the British rule as you put it you might as well change our whole establishment as a country.
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I think you are missing my point, we did not fight under the flag as the Australian Imperial Forces were not actually an official Australian Army, they were volunteers who came from Australia as our military could not fight outside our borders by rule. Those soldiers were then commanded by mostly British officers or government under the British or International army/navy/airforce control and as such fought under the Union Jack or nations flag that controlled that particular unit. Wearing the flag by adding it yourself does not constitute fighting under the flag, but rather fighting for it, which is a big difference.

By flag design rules the UJ does rule over us. The canton represents control and as such any other flag in that position constitutes rule over the nation that flies the flag.
 
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Shaunyk said:
Actually, I mean more that we should stop pretending it is exclusive or unique to Australia in such discussion
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It should be further discussed.

When i was a young lad a had an idea for a flag for a make believe country i made for dice footy, i'll dig it up but basically it was a yellow sun where the UJ is on a blue background with a green and yellow diagonal stripe through the middle and a footy on the bottom half.
Change the sun to the Commonwealth star and the footy to a piece of wattle?

Keep up some non Crux Australis ideas
 

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footy_fumbler said:
I understand, i like the idea.

I wouldn't mind even having the Aboriginal flag if we lost the current one.
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Why? I'm not Aboriginal. And I'm fairly sure that none of my ancestors were either (not that that's a good or bad thing). That flag doesn't represent me...
 
For me I'm not sure the current favourite works as well as a real flag as it does a picture or that the swoop design will age as well as a simpler design.

I really like this one posted by St Mark. I'd leave the white in to separate and drop yellow completely.

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Now this would really never happen but if Australia adopted that flag and changed our sporting colours from Green and Gold to Green and Blue (using the white to detail and separate) then we'd have colours consistent with our flag that were also much more unique, I'm sure some country uses blue and green but I can't think of any.

Edit: OK we'd be encroaching in on Sierra Leone but with darker shades for both colours.
 
Bryce_Jersey17 said:
Why? I'm not Aboriginal. And I'm fairly sure that none of my ancestors were either (not that that's a good or bad thing). That flag doesn't represent me...
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I never said you had to have it, read the comment again.


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Left is self explanatory but the colours can be changed or moved.
Right is my old dice footy countries flag changed a little with the wattle bottom right.
 
footy_fumbler said:
I never said you had to have it, read the comment again.


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Left is self explanatory but the colours can be changed or moved.
Right is my old dice footy countries flag changed a little with the wattle bottom right.
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Weren't you just saying that we shouldn't have the same colours as Brazil, etc, and now you're suggesting we take RSA's flag and recolour it?
 
I used to hate the southern cross being used as a symbol for Australia, basically because it can be seen across half the planet, not just Australia. But I don't think that any other nation has embraced it as a symbol as strongly as Australia, and I think it's something we've made our own. I mean, maple trees grow all over the northern hemisphere, but Canada have made it their own distinct symbol.
footy_fumbler said:
That left one isn't bad.

Something like this but around the other way.

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I don't mind it, but I think any Australian flag with green on it also needs gold. There's something not quite right about the white star on the green background, too. Doesn't feel like its representing Australia to me.
 
Saw several designs put forward yesterday...one was close to my own preference of a simple Southern Cross, but was a lighter blue and yellow stars, and the drawing of the stars was inaccurate...

Navy blue sky, white stars...nothing else...perfect...
 
harrythetiger said:
The debate over simply what the flag should look like if we changed it probably indicates that we shouldn't
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There you go. If something is discussed then it should never happen. Someone should have told the framers of the constitution when they held the Constitutional Conventions of 1897-98 that their debate was pointless and Australia should never have existed as a federated nation.
 

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carls12 said:
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I like the design element of the chevron, to me it represents coming together. While I prefer the left in it's simplicity I made the one of the right with six chevrons (or at least part of them) to represent the six states.
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The chevrons would need to be on the left for this to work, in flag design and thing pointing left is a sign of retreat. Facing right is for advancement, and works as the design would be against the flagpole.
 
carls12 said:
There you go. If something is discussed then it should never happen. Someone should have told the framers of the constitution when they held the Constitutional Conventions of 1897-98 that their debate was pointless and Australia should never have existed as a federated nation.
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I was a little unclear there. We shouldn't change it anytime soon.
Not against the change, but it's been discussed and discussed and discussed. Should it give a nod to Aboriginals, does it need to be green and gold, does it need the Union Jack, what about a kangaroo, the southern cross, or the federation star. So many elements for something that is, in the scheme of things, unimportant. I would actually love our flag to be changed, but there are so many other more important things to spend our money on. The NZ referendum has/will cost $26m, and I don't think it can be done right for much less. In the end we'll spend millions on either staying with the current flag, or getting a flag that someone disagrees with it. If there was a clear leader, you'd just do it. Any possible flag change is 5-10 years away I reckon.
 
Fizzler said:
Off topic but...
Why isn't the NT a state. It comes combined or not represented at all most of the time, which I don't think is fair.
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Population size for one, they are going to try for statehood again but whether it happens is still not certain.
 

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