The Law Australian Police brutality thread.

[HAPPY CHEFFY]

Perhaps the officers involved could come forward and publicly state their version of events so we could clear that up.

They’d be waiting to see if she dies or not first and then they can build a story that suits their best interest.

 

[Gough]

They’d be waiting to see if she dies or not first and then they can build a story that suits their best interest.

If they were acting lawfully as you would have it then surely there's nothing to hide, they were just doing their duty and tasering a 95 year old women who probably weighed half of what they do. Let's have them front up and explain themselves, if a copper is injured there's no shortage of people fronting up and prosecuting their case.

 

[HAPPY CHEFFY]

If they were acting lawfully as you would have it then surely there's nothing to hide, they were just doing their duty and tasering a 95 year old women who probably weighed half of what they do. Let's have them front up and explain themselves, if a copper is injured there's no shortage of people fronting up and prosecuting their case.

Who knows if they were acting lawfully though?
But anyway I’d assume the commissioner has the final say on the go-ahead of any official police interview with the media.

 

[Boston tiger]

Why won't they release the body cam footage?

Why can’t we just shoot the bastard now !

 

[Boston tiger]

You'd think the police commissioner might want to take a look though. These are people acting on her watch, which she's very well renumerated for and she can't bring herself to look at what they've done. Perhaps this sort of leadership is what's brought us to even be talking about this in the first place.

Everyone would be following normal procedures. The police Association ( union) would right on to all of this .

 

[Gethelred]

With a walking frame.

Reports are she holding a knife, and walking with a frame, in a room by herself, with officers in the door way.

And she’s 95. 43kg.

Is this speculation or proven?

 

[DickieKnee]

police guidelines on the use of tasers.

 

[Rob R]

Why do you intentionally keep leaving out the part about her holding a knife in a threatening manner and maniacally screaming that she was going to stab someone with it?

Why are you leaving out the part where she was in a room on her own and they could even have just taken a step back and shut the door?

On SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Rob R]

There's only 3 people in the world trying to justify this and they're all on this thread.
Don't ever work in a nursing home, you'll end up attacking dementia patients.

He will probably call SWAT if he goes to a friend's house and he sees one of the kids carrying a knife to help set the table.

On SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Rob R]

You'd think the police commissioner might want to take a look though. These are people acting on her watch, which she's very well renumerated for and she can't bring herself to look at what they've done. Perhaps this sort of leadership is what's brought us to even be talking about this in the first place.

Agree, I think she has deliberately not watched it so she can avoid giving an opinion on what she saw on it. Typical modern leadership to ensure no public decisions are made.

On SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Rob R]

I just find it strange that staff couldn’t handle it and needed to call for armed reinforcement.

Probably WHS rules or they were your typical underpaid, under trained nursing home staff.

On SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Mofra]

So if that’s all true it’s a mystery why police were even called in the first place. Obviously there’s more to it to require police involvement.

In Victoria, aged care staff are allocated 8 minutes per resident to get them out of bed, showered, dressed, ablutions etc.
I don't imagine it would be too different in NSW. They're paid SFA too so they're probably not trained to deal with residents like that.

Whoever said 'close the door' earlier in this thread was probably on the mark. A dementia patient having a panic attack may just need time to settle.

 

[Big Papa Ted]

From what I've read it seems pretty inexcusable by the cops

 

[Number37]

So if that’s all true it’s a mystery why police were even called in the first place. Obviously there’s more to it to require police involvement.

That's some piss poor deflection.
There is no reasonable explanation for the cops shooting a taser at a 95 year old. NONE.

What we will hear is something something stress/mental health something something cops need more resources something something cops are brave heroes protecting society...when what we should hear is 'cops f'd up big time and will take full responsibility for f'ing up big time"

 

[Ant_]

95 year old with a walking frame, you could throw a ****ing blanket over her.

 

[Kurve]

Agree, I think she has deliberately not watched it so she can avoid giving an opinion on what she saw on it. Typical modern leadership to ensure no public decisions are made.

On SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

That would be why imo. Karen Webb has over thirty four years experience on the force, some of that was with the Child Mistreatment Unit. There wouldn't be much that would faze her.

 

[HAPPY CHEFFY]

Why are you leaving out the part where she was in a room on her own and they could even have just taken a step back and shut the door?

On SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Is it correct procedure and following safety protocols to just leave an unstable patient who is having an episode alone in a locked room with a knife?

Imagine the outcry - “police look on as deranged/claustrophobic woman self harms with steak knife after being locked in a room”..

 

[TheEscapeClub]

I won't hold my breath but perhaps a wider enquiry into the use of tasers might be appropriate following this. If it's thought the right thing to do to use one on a 95 year old women it doesn't take a great imagination to think that there might have been a few other occasions when police could have been a bit trigger happy as well.

I prefer the good old days in WA where they would spray them first and them taser them which would ignite the spray.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

You'd think the police commissioner might want to take a look though. These are people acting on her watch, which she's very well renumerated for and she can't bring herself to look at what they've done. Perhaps this sort of leadership is what's brought us to even be talking about this in the first place.

It's rife in leadership everywhere and at all levels today. Management will rarely if ever respond to an email or a text these days because it leaves a record. They will respond by coming to see you in person or call you. As long as there's nothing recorded.

 

[cartwright]

Is this speculation or proven?

confirmed:

Nowland, who suffers dementia and weighs 43kg, was advancing on them at a “slow pace” with a walking frame, but also holding a serrated steak knife, according to police.

Clare Nowland: NSW police’s decision to Taser 95-year-old woman leaves community ‘gobsmacked’ | Australian police and policing | The Guardian

Disability advocates outraged at ‘heavy handed’ response, while Greens MP says incident should mark turning point in police misconduct reviews

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Chief]

95 year old with a walking frame, you could throw a ******* blanket over her.

That's what I was saying earlier at lunch. Unbelievable.

 

[campbell]

That's what I was saying earlier at lunch. Unbelievable.

Sadly, she may have hurt herself with the knife.
She may have a history of self harm, who knows.

I know how strong dementia patients can be, when aggitated.

Gotta be some reason the police were called in the middle of the night.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

95 year old with a walking frame, you could throw a ******* blanket over her.

Throw a blanket over her and she falls over because she can't see so she trips. Result, hits her head, snaps her arm or wrist, pops her shoulder, busts her hip.

Grab her wrist to take the knife off her, she's so fragile that her wrist snaps and as a result she falls and hits her head or you try to hang onto her so she doesn't fall and as a result her shoulder is yanked out of it's socket.

I guarantee these are probably the sorts of things they weighed up before they decided tasering her was the best course of action and in the end the outcome was probably worse than anything other than shooting her. ****ing muppets.

That's what management has turned front line into these days. I reckon the Lindt Cafe seige was a prime example. Management are risk adverse and paralysed with fear of getting it wrong and in the end, make it much worse through their lack of action / courage.

They suck all the initiative from the person on the scene.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Sadly, she may have hurt herself with the knife.
She may have a history of self harm, who knows.

I know how strong dementia patients can be, when aggitated.

Gotta be some reason the police were called in the middle of the night.

I feel like calling the police and being sent beat cops is where it all starts to go wrong in situations like this; you're bringing in a third party with relatively minimal training on how to deal with psych episodes, who has no idea about the history of the person involved and who is probably justified in feeling uneasy or unsafe in the circumstances. Has to be a better way of responding.

 

[Big Papa Ted]

I feel like calling the police and being sent beat cops is where it all starts to go wrong in situations like this; you're bringing in a third party with relatively minimal training on how to deal with psych episodes, who has no idea about the history of the person involved and who is probably justified in feeling uneasy or unsafe in the circumstances. Has to be a better way of responding.

Completely agree with what you're saying, but cmon....it's a 95 year old woman!