Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[Kane McGoodwin]

Bicks, you may be interested that SA households have reduced their reliance on the grid more than any other state on average (along with Queensland)...

SA households use 10% less energy from the grid compared to other states on average. No surprises with the higher uptake of solar & many households. No longer do we have the massive demand spikes during the day during our heatwaves like we used to.

How much electricity does the average Australian household use?

What's the average power usage for Australian homes and where does your household fit into the mix?

www.compareandconnect.com.au

https://www.energy.gov.au/energy-data/australian-energy-statistics/states-and-territories

But hey keep pointing out to us that solar doesn't generate power at nights...

 

[Mutineer]

Bicks, you may be interested that SA households have reduced their reliance on the grid more than any other state on average (along with Queensland)...

SA households use 10% less energy from the grid compared to other states on average. No surprises with the higher uptake of solar & many households. No longer do we have the massive demand spikes during the day during our heatwaves like we used to.

How much electricity does the average Australian household use?

What's the average power usage for Australian homes and where does your household fit into the mix?

www.compareandconnect.com.au

https://www.energy.gov.au/energy-data/australian-energy-statistics/states-and-territories

But hey keep pointing out to us that solar doesn't generate power at nights...

Kano, You might be interested to know that South Aussies pay the highest price for electricity in Australia...by quite a bit too.

Residential Electricity Prices In Australia - April 2024

Take a look at how residential electricity prices in Australia are evolving with time and across our regions. This snapshot is of April 2024.

energyse.com.au

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Kano, You might be interested to know that South Aussies pay the highest price for electricity in Australia...by quite a bit too.

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Residential Electricity Prices In Australia - April 2024

Take a look at how residential electricity prices in Australia are evolving with time and across our regions. This snapshot is of April 2024.

energyse.com.au

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I have explained this to you before Bicks, but you have fingers in your ears.

You don't understand the difference between the cost & price of electricity... which is obvious as you keep quoting prices which have little to do with the cost.

SA Power Networks continue to rip off SA consumers since the Olsen government sold it off to recover some of Bannon's Bank SA debt.

The cost of producing electricity is lower in SA than other states on average as renewables are cheaper on average.

Energy Facts Australia - Energy Costs

Wondering about energy costs? Our team of leading scientists and experts in the fields of energy and climate change explain your energy bill, and the cost of new power generation.

www.energyfactsaustralia.org.au

About time you understood the difference between pricing & costing! Also, the cost of distribution & profiteering.

Nuclear would blow up the cost of producing electricity...

 

[Mutineer]

I have explained this to you before Bicks, but you have fingers in your ears.

You don't understand the difference between the cost & price of electricity... which is obvious as you keep quoting prices which have little to do with the cost.

SA Power Networks continue to rip off SA consumers since the Olsen government sold it off to recover some of Bannon's Bank SA debt.

The cost of producing electricity is lower in SA than other states on average as renewables are cheaper on average.

Energy Facts Australia - Energy Costs

Wondering about energy costs? Our team of leading scientists and experts in the fields of energy and climate change explain your energy bill, and the cost of new power generation.

www.energyfactsaustralia.org.au

About time you understood the difference between pricing & costing! Also, the cost of distribution & profiteering.

Nuclear would blow up the cost of producing electricity...

LOL

And you keep with this look over there crap....

FACT - SA households are paying the highest prices for electricity in Australia - FACT.

Naybe if Bannon you know that oncompetent ALP Premier hadn't bankrupted SA etc etc etc etc.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

LOL

And you keep with this look over there crap....

FACT - SA households are paying the highest prices for electricity in Australia - FACT.

Naybe if Bannon you know that oncompetent ALP Premier hadn't bankrupted SA etc etc etc etc.

Seriously it only you had a clue!

Clearly you didn't even read the article!

FACT - you keep quoting the PRICE which has little to do with the COST!

Price vs. Cost: Yes, they’re different!

When to differentiate between these words

www.merriam-webster.com

why does SA have one of the highest prices, but lowest costs of generating electricity with a higher proportionof renewables? What is making up the difference? Hmmm...

Engage your brain & read the article Bicks & learn the difference!

 

[Eagleboy2011]

An interesting letter to the editor in Yesterday's Advertiser,



It was heartening to see the response from Bill Fisher (“Nuke truths”,Letters, 20/12) and the radiation exposure arguments presented by former ANSTO CEO Dr Adi Paterson and longtime nuclear worker Mark Schneider(“Radiating fear and loathing”, The Advertiser, 20/12) to balance some of the current debate about nuclear versus renewable energy.

Several other important points do not seem to get a mention in this debate.

First, any form of energy production or distribution that is owned by companies or corporations will never be cheap because these companies only exist to make a profit, and that profit must increase every year (because their shareholders demand it).
Hence, the nuclear option that would be government-owned is a positive, despite their reputation for always going over budget on construction projects.

Second, wind and solar structures are not currently recyclable to any large degree, and this detracts from green credentials attached to that form of energy, as “Debate gets lively” (Letters, 21/12) also pointed out.
In addition, after speaking to a wind farm construction engineer, I was made aware that every wind turbine requires a foundation containing 600-700cubic meters of concrete.
The production of concrete is responsible for around 5 per cent of global CO2emissions.Worse still, the foundation cannot be reused for subsequent towers that need to be replaced every 20-25 years. And so-called “green” concrete has its negatives as well.

Lastly, the environmental cost of making the wind turbines, solar panels and batteries for either storage or EVs is enormous and should not be discounted. It is my understanding that to produce 1000 tons of lithium or copper etc requires 500,000 tons of ore to be dug up by heavy machinery. Hence, the actual production of the wind towers, solar panels and batteries isas far from “renewable” as oil and gas. Every form of energy has an expense attached.



The editorial opinion mentioned above


LABOR’S SCARE CAMPAIGN ON ANUCLEAR SCALE
Labor’s new nuclear scare campaign is dangerous – and shows the party is not confident in its own energy policy. Nuclear experts have condemned the government after it posted a social media video linking nuclear power to terminal illness. It features a former Greens candidate and anti-war activist claiming that working or living near a nuclear power plant causes “definite increases in cancer, heart attack, strokes". Some leading experts in the nuclear field have described the video as irresponsible. It is a distraction from the real issues of the nuclear debate. It is illuminating that Labor has turned to such sneaky tactics in its quest to turn Australians away from the merits of nuclear power. Clearly, the government lacks confidence in its economic argument against the reliable power source. The Coalition’s proposal for nuclear reactors across the nation – including at Port Augusta – would cost $331bn between now and 2050, according to costing analysis done by Frontier Economics. It’s a huge amount of money – until it’s compared to the $594bn cost of Labor’s renewable strategy. The Coalition argues its plan is both cheaper and more reliable, achieving two key outcomes for energy policy: It will keep the lights on and the costs down. The social media video shows that Energy and Climate Minister Chris Bowens running out of ideas. It appears, through this new tactic, he has turned to scaremongering.12/25/24, 8:36 AM The Advertiserhttps://todayspa iper.adelaidenow.com.au/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&edid=b40ac365-1c28-4dc5-bfdd-630234d11cc4 1/2Nuclear industry veteran Mark Schneider described the video as “dangerous and anti-science". The public already knows to treat Labor’s energy policies with a healthy dose of skepticism. That much is clear when considering Labor’s now-laughable promise at the last election to cut power bills for households by $275.That promise has been broken. But at least it did not mislead Australians to believe they will be at risk of serious illness if the government opts for an alternative power policy. Mr. Bowen and Labor Party headquarters should apologize for the scaremongering. Hey have stooped to a new low and are looking increasingly desperate in their battle to sell their renewable energy-based policy to the public. Thepower debate must be won on valid arguments.

 

[Mutineer]

Seriously it only you had a clue!

Clearly you didn't even read the article!

FACT - you keep quoting the PRICE which has little to do with the COST!

Price vs. Cost: Yes, they’re different!

When to differentiate between these words

www.merriam-webster.com

why does SA have one of the highest prices, but lowest costs of generating electricity with a higher proportionof renewables? What is making up the difference? Hmmm...

Engage your brain & read the article Bicks & learn the difference!

Where are the greatest majority of solar panels manufactured? Hint it ain't Australia. You think the steel etc sourced for the wind turbines is sourced in Australia? And another hint talking about countries that have a poor record with workers safety guess what?

Another question for you Mr renewables and your mates who owns and operates the majority of the solar farms and wind farms in Australia and where do the profits go? Need any hints?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Where are the greatest majority of solar panels manufactured? Hint it ain't Australia. And another hint talking about countries that have a poor record with workers safety guess what?

Another question for you Mr renewables and your mates who owns and operates the majority of the solar farms and wind farms in Australia and where do the profits go? Need any hints?

Do you understand the difference between cost & price yet Bicks?

If you are so concerned about foreign ownership, do you think we should ban everything from China? That will go down really well with the voters when our cost of living goes down the drain. Another ridiculous suggestion!

You are so negative about renewables & making out environment better. Why?

Shouldn't we be looking to leave this place better than when we left it for the next generations?

Food for thought on Christmas Day...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

An interesting letter to the editor in Yesterday's Advertiser,



It was heartening to see the response from Bill Fisher (“Nuke truths”,Letters, 20/12) and the radiation exposure arguments presented by former ANSTO CEO Dr Adi Paterson and longtime nuclear worker Mark Schneider(“Radiating fear and loathing”, The Advertiser, 20/12) to balance some of the current debate about nuclear versus renewable energy.

Several other important points do not seem to get a mention in this debate.

First, any form of energy production or distribution that is owned by companies or corporations will never be cheap because these companies only exist to make a profit, and that profit must increase every year (because their shareholders demand it).
Hence, the nuclear option that would be government-owned is a positive, despite their reputation for always going over budget on construction projects.

Second, wind and solar structures are not currently recyclable to any large degree, and this detracts from green credentials attached to that form of energy, as “Debate gets lively” (Letters, 21/12) also pointed out.
In addition, after speaking to a wind farm construction engineer, I was made aware that every wind turbine requires a foundation containing 600-700cubic meters of concrete.
The production of concrete is responsible for around 5 per cent of global CO2emissions.Worse still, the foundation cannot be reused for subsequent towers that need to be replaced every 20-25 years. And so-called “green” concrete has its negatives as well.

Lastly, the environmental cost of making the wind turbines, solar panels and batteries for either storage or EVs is enormous and should not be discounted. It is my understanding that to produce 1000 tons of lithium or copper etc requires 500,000 tons of ore to be dug up by heavy machinery. Hence, the actual production of the wind towers, solar panels and batteries isas far from “renewable” as oil and gas. Every form of energy has an expense attached.



The editorial opinion mentioned above


LABOR’S SCARE CAMPAIGN ON ANUCLEAR SCALE
Labor’s new nuclear scare campaign is dangerous – and shows the party is not confident in its own energy policy. Nuclear experts have condemned the government after it posted a social media video linking nuclear power to terminal illness. It features a former Greens candidate and anti-war activist claiming that working or living near a nuclear power plant causes “definite increases in cancer, heart attack, strokes". Some leading experts in the nuclear field have described the video as irresponsible. It is a distraction from the real issues of the nuclear debate. It is illuminating that Labor has turned to such sneaky tactics in its quest to turn Australians away from the merits of nuclear power. Clearly, the government lacks confidence in its economic argument against the reliable power source. The Coalition’s proposal for nuclear reactors across the nation – including at Port Augusta – would cost $331bn between now and 2050, according to costing analysis done by Frontier Economics. It’s a huge amount of money – until it’s compared to the $594bn cost of Labor’s renewable strategy. The Coalition argues its plan is both cheaper and more reliable, achieving two key outcomes for energy policy: It will keep the lights on and the costs down. The social media video shows that Energy and Climate Minister Chris Bowens running out of ideas. It appears, through this new tactic, he has turned to scaremongering.12/25/24, 8:36 AM The Advertiserhttps://todayspa iper.adelaidenow.com.au/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&edid=b40ac365-1c28-4dc5-bfdd-630234d11cc4 1/2Nuclear industry veteran Mark Schneider described the video as “dangerous and anti-science". The public already knows to treat Labor’s energy policies with a healthy dose of skepticism. That much is clear when considering Labor’s now-laughable promise at the last election to cut power bills for households by $275.That promise has been broken. But at least it did not mislead Australians to believe they will be at risk of serious illness if the government opts for an alternative power policy. Mr. Bowen and Labor Party headquarters should apologize for the scaremongering. Hey have stooped to a new low and are looking increasingly desperate in their battle to sell their renewable energy-based policy to the public. Thepower debate must be won on valid arguments.

First letter - don't think anyone credible is claiming that renewables are 100% environmentally friendly. But surely you can concede they are far, far more environmentally friendly than the likes of coal or gas... & will reduce net admissions?

Second letter - yes the Nuclear scare campaign is pathetic. Would prefer its discussed on the actual facts... though the costs mentioned in the article are comparing apples with watermelons, so sad the writer doesn't help much in this regard.

 

[Mutineer]

Do you understand the difference between cost & price yet Bicks?

If you are so concerned about foreign ownership, do you think we should ban everything from China? That will go down really well with the voters when our cost of living goes down the drain. Another ridiculous suggestion!

You are so negative about renewables & making out environment better. Why?

Shouldn't we be looking to leave this place better than when we left it for the next generations?

Food for thought on Christmas Day...

Look over there your only tactic.

I' m waiting for you to debunk the fact almost all of the renewables and their components are made overseas and that the majority of solar farms and wind farms and even the battery farms are owned by overseas investments. Plenty of money being made but not by Aussies other than billionaires like Holmes A Court and Mike Cannon-Brookes lining their pockets with more $$$$$$'s

C'mon let's hear it?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

First letter - don't think anyone credible is claiming that renewables are 100% environmentally friendly. But surely you can concede they are far, far more environmentally friendly than the likes of coal or gas... & will reduce net admissions?

Second letter - yes the Nuclear scare campaign is pathetic. Would prefer its discussed on the actual facts... though the costs mentioned in the article are comparing apples with watermelons, so sad the writer doesn't help much in this regard.

Far,far
coal or gas are not the subject.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Look over there your only tactic.

I' m waiting for you to debunk the fact almost all of the renewables and their components are made overseas and that the majority of solar farms and wind farms and even the battery farms are owned by overseas investments. Plenty of money being made but not by Aussies other than billionaires like Holmes A Court and Mike Cannon-Brookes lining their pockets with more $$$$$$'s

C'mon let's hear it?

Lol, you are the king of look over here! You rarely answer the questions I pose, yet I answer yours regularly.

You can't answer, because you can't be honest with yourself that renewables are the future... whether you like it or not!

 

[Mutineer]

Lol, you are the king of look over here! You rarely answer the questions I pose, yet I answer yours regularly.

You can't answer, because you can't be honest with yourself that renewables are the future... whether you like it or not!

I'm waiting?

 

[Mutineer]

And renewables are certainly PART of the future and nowhere have I suggested any thing different but the most reliable form of firming emissions wise when the sun is down and the wind isn't blowing is by far nuclear, nothing comes close in that regard given the lifetime of the modern nuclear reactors.

So cut the bullshit re coal and gas.

 

[cleanhands]

It’s Xmas day go get ready for lunch

 

[rocket18]

Seriously it only you had a clue!

Clearly you didn't even read the article!

FACT - you keep quoting the PRICE which has little to do with the COST!

Price vs. Cost: Yes, they’re different!

When to differentiate between these words

www.merriam-webster.com

why does SA have one of the highest prices, but lowest costs of generating electricity with a higher proportionof renewables? What is making up the difference? Hmmm...

Engage your brain & read the article Bicks & learn the difference!

I thought it was widely known why SA have been paying some of the highest prices in the world for electricity.

We have the highest % of renewables which is great but unfortunately the SA government has been very poor at planning to achieve this.

It has been a headlong rush with no regard for our base load generation hence why our wholesale price goes through the roof when demand is high and PV has finished for the day.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

It’s Xmas day go get ready for lunch

Kane has already been enjoying lunch.

I will join in the Xmas spirit (?) shortly myself.

 

[cleanhands]

Kane has already been enjoying lunch.

I will join in the Xmas spirit (?) shortly myself.

and MERRY Xmas to you and all who you care for

 

[kirky]

Look over there your only tactic.

I' m waiting for you to debunk the fact almost all of the renewables and their components are made overseas and that the majority of solar farms and wind farms and even the battery farms are owned by overseas investments. Plenty of money being made but not by Aussies other than billionaires like Holmes A Court and Mike Cannon-Brookes lining their pockets with more $$$$$$'s

C'mon let's hear it?

Perhaps if the Coalition government supported a manufacturing renewables industry in Australia when it was in government for 9 years?

No wonder the Coalition doesn’t like the “Future Made in Australia Fund”. We have resources but currently don’t provide the value add - this will change.

And yet you think nuclear is the answer in twenty years time. Not likely.

 

[kirky]

Bicks likes to post shots when it suits so just to even it up

 

[Mutineer]

Bicks likes to post shots when it suits so just to even it up

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LOL

Good old Qld black coal and Vic brown coal now keeping the SA A/C's humming.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

and MERRY Xmas to you and all who you care for

Hoping you had a great Xmas with your family too cleanhands .

Now back at home resting up after feast at my sisters, before backing up tomorrow here for Boxing Day.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Kane has already been enjoying lunch.

I will join in the Xmas spirit (?) shortly myself.

Only 1.5 glasses of Murray St Semillon as driving.

I enjoy what I drink, so more about quality than getting blind drunk... mostly.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I thought it was widely known why SA have been paying some of the highest prices in the world for electricity.

We have the highest % of renewables which is great but unfortunately the SA government has been very poor at planning to achieve this.

It has been a headlong rush with no regard for our base load generation hence why our wholesale price goes through the roof when demand is high and PV has finished for the day.

Yes, SA has been known for its highest prices since we privatised ETSA to SA Power Networks, who I believe make the best profit margin in the market.

As I explained to Bicks & provided the evidence, the cost of producing renewables, for which we have the highest proportion, is lower than coal & gas.

However, SA pay crazy distribution costs & profit margins.

If we go Nuclear, the cost & price increases.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Far,far
coal or gas are not the subject.

Yes they are as this was an article comparing different energy sources.

Hilarious complaining renewables are not 100% environmentally friendly (which we already know), but compared to coal & gas, it's minor issue.