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I doubt I'll still be around but you best let me know when prices go down like Albanese and Bowen promised before the election under their energy plan..How's that election promise of $275 lower by 2025 looking?
In fact my money would be on you not being around when electricity prices go down but neither of us will be around to collect.
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If you haven't worked out now both sides lie with most of their election promises, then I really can't help you.
I don't trust them when it comes to specific promises like this where they can't even control the outcomes.
Politicians lie Bicks... just like Dutton has with his Nuclear costs.
But no issue holding them to account...
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Renewables aren't 100% environmentally friendly given the bulk of them are made in China who burn way way way more coal than any other country in their manufacture. Not too environmentally friendly either the swathe of trees being felled in clearing for those wind farms planned in Qld and other states.
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So what is more environmentally friendly Bicks out of brown coal, black coal, gas, wind & solar?
Where has anyone who is credible claimed any source is 100% environmentally friendly?
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That's easy NUCLEAR
$275 price promise dead in the water - Liberal Party of Australia
The Australian Energy Regulator (AER) has confirmed Labor’s promise to reduce household electricity prices by $275 is officially broken with Australians
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Albanese flags relief as power bills rise as much as 95pc
The PM has signalled additional cost of living relief as the global energy crisis hits Australia, with some households in NSW facing a 95 per cent rise in power bills.
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And at 6.40PM what state is burning the more expensive energy source GAS? Yep you guessed it little old SA.
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| Region | Black Coal | Brown Coal | Gas | Liquid Fuel | Other | Hydro | Wind | Large Solar | Small Solar | Battery Storage | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Queensland | 6,015 | 406 | 0 | 0 | 654 | 282 | 39 | 465 | 147 | 8,009 | |
| New South Wales | 4,954 | 43 | 0 | 15 | 956 | 534 | 662 | 842 | 159 | 8,165 | |
| Victoria | 3,798 | 20 | 0 | 532 | 850 | 368 | 825 | 359 | 6,752 | ||
| South Australia | 643 | 0 | 0 | 757 | 207 | 659 | 99 | 2,365 | |||
| Tasmania | 0 | 0 | 1,256 | 19 | 66 | 1,341 | |||||
| Western Australia | 316 | 216 | 0 | 9 | 785 | 107 | 1,047 | 0 | 2,479 | ||
| Total | 11,285 | 3,798 | 1,327 | 0 | 25 | 3,398 | 3,227 | 1,383 | 3,904 | 764 | 29,111 |
Demand
| Region | Demand (AEMO Operational) | Demand (Pumping Hydro) | Demand (Battery Charging) | Demand (Other) | Demand (Met by Rooftop Solar) | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Queensland | 7,120 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 465 | 7,585 |
| New South Wales | 7,788 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 842 | 8,632 |
| Victoria | 5,858 | 0 | 0 | 825 | 6,683 | |
| South Australia | 1,929 | 6 | 0 | 659 | 2,594 | |
| Tasmania | 1,071 | 0 | 66 | 1,138 | ||
| Western Australia | 1,432 | 0 | 0 | 1,047 | 2,479 | |
| Total | 25,199 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 3,904 | 29,111 |
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Surely it's about the cost over 24 hours Bicks. You really don't need to remind us everyday that solar doesn't produce energy at nights... as most here have a basic intelligence. Thoughit appears many still don't understand the difference between cost & price!
Perhaps governments should have more of a planned role in ensuring Australia has a decent transmission grid, where energy sources can be shared better across jurisdictions...
Build it and they will come: Transmission is key, but Coalition making it harder and costlier
Transmission remains the fundamental building block to decarbonising the grid. But the LNP is making it difficult to do on time and within costs.
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RenewEconomy really?Surely it's about the cost over 24 hours Bicks. You really don't need to remind us everyday that solar doesn't produce energy at nights... as most here have a basic intelligence. Thoughit appears many still don't understand the difference between cost & price!
Perhaps governments should have more of a planned role in ensuring Australia has a decent transmission grid, where energy sources can be shared better across jurisdictions...
Build it and they will come: Transmission is key, but Coalition making it harder and costlier
Transmission remains the fundamental building block to decarbonising the grid. But the LNP is making it difficult to do on time and within costs.
You having a laugh or what?
Could you have found a more biased source? I seriously doubt it.
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Geez Bicks did you actually read it?
It's talking about the need to improve energy transmission which is a legitimate issue.
It's very difficult to have any meaningful discussion with you, as you close your mind to media sources outside Sky News.
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And btw 1 day, 7 day and 30 day input info is available though you might not like what you see
see the individual energy source inputs for the last 24 hours here..
explore.openelectricity.org.au
see the individual energy source inputs for the last 24 hours here..
Open Electricity: An Open Platform for National Electricity Market Data
An Open Platform for National Electricity Market Data
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What a load of bollocks.
You seem to have Sky Derangement syndrome, they're not nearly as biased as RenewEconomy.
I quote plenty of sources from many different media sources and Sky wouldn't be near the top of that list.
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So once again Bicks you just knocked the article without even bothering to discuss it's premise that we need to improve transmission... which surely you agree with? If not, why wouldn't you want to make the grid stronger?
Why even bother quoting me if you are incapable of having an intelligent discussion.
Seriously you are like a child at times...
Bit like you thumb down posts without even reading them.
Keep quoting your spot prices (not costs!), canning all renewables & talking up Nuclear & Coal (neither of which have much of a future)... because that's all you have.
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How does one of the World's biggest gas exporters run short of gas?
What a joke!
www.smh.com.au
What a joke!
‘Time is running out’: Victoria, NSW turn to gas imports as energy crisis nears
Governments are rushing to kickstart Australia’s first-ever gas imports, despite the nation being a top global exporter of the fossil fuel.
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Oh dear...
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How does one of the World's biggest gas exporters run short of gas?
What a joke!
‘Time is running out’: Victoria, NSW turn to gas imports as energy crisis nears
Governments are rushing to kickstart Australia’s first-ever gas imports, despite the nation being a top global exporter of the fossil fuel.
Well probably if some PM didn’t sign contracts to sell it at cheap prices to our Asian neighbours. More incompetence by that party.
How Australia blew its future gas supplies
How Australia blew its future gas supplies by flogging it to China for a pittance.
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How much more debt can this totally incompetent Andrews/Allan Government saddle the Victorian public with. their spending largesse most of it in the public serrvice and ridiculous project overruns that add little to the lives of Victorians and their struggles. They're totally incapable of reining in their spending largesse on the public service.
Enough is enough and god help Victoria 's future Governments of either creed addressing the absolute incompetent Andrews/Allan ALP Governments mismanagement of the State's finances.
Victoria’s public sector wages bill has blown out by almost $3bn in just one year, raising huge concerns that the state is underestimating its costs.
The Victorian government released a “horror” budget update this month which revealed that the cost of staffing the government for 2024-25 had quietly been revised to $37.52bn.
The figure is up from the forecast $34.77bn for Victoria’s public sector wages bill, which was set out in the 2022-23 budget the Labor government released after being returned to power for a third term.
The blowout means the Treasury has had to find an extra $2.7bn to pay its workforce.
Analysis by the Herald Sun has also revealed that the state has consistently underestimated its wage bills in recent years by between $1-$2bn, inflaming concerns that Victoria’s net debt level of $187bn is likely to continue rising.
The government’s wages bill has almost doubled from the $18.8bn spent when Labor took office.
Additionally, if this year’s spending were replicated annually, the state’s wage bill would far exceed the $41.2bn forecast for 2027-28, making it closer to $50bn.
Economists and analysts have long warned that Victoria’s super-sized public service is a significant challenge to addressing the state’s debt.
Last week, former treasurer Tim Pallas tried to claim Victoria’s economy was “improving and sound” despite him leaving behind debt hurtling towards $188bn and the highest taxes in the nation.
He also overhauled two levies, meaning Victorians would have to cough up more money.
Enough is enough and god help Victoria 's future Governments of either creed addressing the absolute incompetent Andrews/Allan ALP Governments mismanagement of the State's finances.
Fears Victoria’s net debt level of $187bn is likely to continue rising
There are major concerns the Allan government is underestimating its costs as analysts warn the super-sized public service is a significant challenge to addressing the state’s debt.Victoria’s public sector wages bill has blown out by almost $3bn in just one year, raising huge concerns that the state is underestimating its costs.
The Victorian government released a “horror” budget update this month which revealed that the cost of staffing the government for 2024-25 had quietly been revised to $37.52bn.
The figure is up from the forecast $34.77bn for Victoria’s public sector wages bill, which was set out in the 2022-23 budget the Labor government released after being returned to power for a third term.
The blowout means the Treasury has had to find an extra $2.7bn to pay its workforce.
Analysis by the Herald Sun has also revealed that the state has consistently underestimated its wage bills in recent years by between $1-$2bn, inflaming concerns that Victoria’s net debt level of $187bn is likely to continue rising.
The government’s wages bill has almost doubled from the $18.8bn spent when Labor took office.
Additionally, if this year’s spending were replicated annually, the state’s wage bill would far exceed the $41.2bn forecast for 2027-28, making it closer to $50bn.
Economists and analysts have long warned that Victoria’s super-sized public service is a significant challenge to addressing the state’s debt.
Last week, former treasurer Tim Pallas tried to claim Victoria’s economy was “improving and sound” despite him leaving behind debt hurtling towards $188bn and the highest taxes in the nation.
He also overhauled two levies, meaning Victorians would have to cough up more money.
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Yeah and this mob...Well probably if some PM didn’t sign contracts to sell it at cheap prices to our Asian neighbours. More incompetence by that party.
How Australia blew its future gas supplies
How Australia blew its future gas supplies by flogging it to China for a pittance.
Victoria to permanently ban fracking and coal seam gas exploration
Activists and farmers hail decision after inquiry into onshore unconventional gas received 1,600 submissions
Victoria's largest gas producer is warning its supplies are rapidly decreasing
Gas giant ExxonMobil says the number of wells it operates in the Bass Strait could close to halve in the next eighteen months. But an expert says gas shortages can be avoided with the right policies.
www.abc.net.au
Mr Andrews said Victoria exports 70 per cent of the gas it produces.
He called for a national domestic gas reserve to be established, to ensure gas was supplied to local households and businesses as a priority.
"The rest of it, the bit we don't need, sell that to the world and get the best price you can," he said.
'Biggest gas user' Victoria faces supply squeeze from this year as businesses fear wipeout
Gas users in Victoria are bracing for a supply crunch that regulators warn could hit as soon as this winter as production from historic fields in the Bass Strait dramatically tapers off.
www.abc.net.au
'There is no quick switch to flick'
Mr Walton lamented what he said was an avoidable problem, arguing Victoria had run out of time to bring on new supplies to avert a crunch."The real difficulty in terms of developing gas is there is no quick switch to flick to bring on new supply," Mr Walton said.
"There is a multi-year process that needs to be worked through for identifying and exploring fields and making sure there's gas there, then going through applications and environmental approvals.
"And then to develop the wells it take a long time."
How we can fix our energy woes
Our politicians need a major reality check when it comes to our energy problems, with three forces standing between abundant low cost gas for Victoria and Australia and severe shortages.
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Well probably if some PM didn’t sign contracts to sell it at cheap prices to our Asian neighbours. More incompetence by that party.
How Australia blew its future gas supplies
How Australia blew its future gas supplies by flogging it to China for a pittance.
Victorian government simply won’t access gas reserves for ‘ideological reasons’
February 14, 2024 - 6:35PMSnowy Hydro Former CEO Paul Broad says Victoria needs “peaking power” as there are “oodles of gas” in the state, but the government simply does not want to access it for ideological reasons.
Parts of regional Victoria and Melbourne on Tuesday copped severe weather which brought down power lines, leaving hundreds of thousands of Victorians without power.
Victorian Emergency Management Commissioner Rick Nugent warned it could potentially take up to a week for some houses and businesses to get their power back.
“Victoria – they are now facing very difficult conditions and sadly Victorians are going to have to get accustomed to regular brownouts,” Mr Broad said.
“The truth is they need peaking power – there is oodles of gas in Victoria, and the government simply doesn’t want to get it, they simply for ideological reasons do not want to access it.”
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NSW ALP too..
www.echo.net.au
The NSW Labor government has now banned offshore mining and exploration for gas and oil in NSW waters. NSW is the first state to ban offshore fossil fuel extraction.
The Environmental Planning and Assessment Amendment (Seabed Mining and Exploration) Bill 2024 amends the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act 1979 to prohibit:
‘This legislation stops any operators wishing to explore for oil and gas in Commonwealth waters off the coast of NSW from building infrastructure that enables fossil fuels to be transported through NSW waters to the shore for processing,’ Surfers for Climate CEO, Josh Kirkman.
NSW bans offshore mining and exploration for gas and oil
The NSW Labor government has now banned offshore mining and exploration for gas and oil in NSW waters. NSW is the first state to ban offshore fossil fuel extraction. The Environmental Planning and Assessment Amendment (Seabed Mining and Exploration) Bill 2024 amends the Environmental Planning...
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The NSW Labor government has now banned offshore mining and exploration for gas and oil in NSW waters. NSW is the first state to ban offshore fossil fuel extraction.
The Environmental Planning and Assessment Amendment (Seabed Mining and Exploration) Bill 2024 amends the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act 1979 to prohibit:
- Seabed petroleum and mineral exploration and recovery in NSW coastal waters; and
- Other development within the state for the purposes of seabed petroleum and mineral exploration and recovery anywhere.
‘This legislation stops any operators wishing to explore for oil and gas in Commonwealth waters off the coast of NSW from building infrastructure that enables fossil fuels to be transported through NSW waters to the shore for processing,’ Surfers for Climate CEO, Josh Kirkman.
New South Wales passes legislation to ban offshore drilling and mining
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Great news that governments are continuing to improve the Coorong, which is such an important place for the environment & wildlife.
Wasn't long ago that the Murray mouth had nearly closed up.
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Wasn't long ago that the Murray mouth had nearly closed up.
$26.2 million in funding announced for Coorong restoration to boost wildlife and local economy
The Australian and South Australian governments have announced a $26.2 million funding boost for the Coorong's restoration, enhancing its ecological health and supporting local economies through tourism and fishing.
glamadelaide.com.au
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So Mutineer ... have the Liberals finally picked a competent leader?
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Victorian Liberals elect Brad Battin as new leader
Shadow Police Minister Brad Battin has won the leadership of the Victorian Liberals after John Pesutto was rolled at a party room this morning.
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He sounds as though he should be opening the batting for Australia.So Mutineer ... have the Liberals finally picked a competent leader?
Victorian Liberals elect Brad Battin as new leader
Shadow Police Minister Brad Battin has won the leadership of the Victorian Liberals after John Pesutto was rolled at a party room this morning.
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Victorian Liberals elect Brad Battin as new leader
Shadow Police Minister Brad Battin has won the leadership of the Victorian Liberals after John Pesutto was rolled at a party room this morning.
Very much doubt it.
And letting Moira back in won’t be helpful either.
Jacinta got a late Xmas present.
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Well, well - there ain’t going to be any nuclear by 2035.
From the SMH this morning -
Owners of Australia’s coal power plants say they cannot keep their ageing fossil-fuel electricity generators running long enough for Opposition Leader Peter Dutton to build his planned fleet of nuclear reactors.
The Coalition’s energy policy hinges on the construction of seven nuclear plants on the sites of coal plants located across the country. The first expected would be expected to be switched on by 2037 and the whole fleet completed before 2050.
Long-awaited costings of the policy, released this month, showed that to complete the nuclear plan, the opposition would rely on the nation’s 15 coal-fired power plants staying in operation until nuclear could replace them.
The Australian Energy Council, which represents the nation’s biggest energy companies and coal owners, including AGL, Origin and EnergyAustralia, said the fossil fuel plants were too costly to run and maintain for the decades required by the opposition.
“To assume that a nuclear plant can replace whatever plans members have in place now is a brave [assumption],” said the council’s chief executive Louisa Kinnear.
Coalition’s ‘coal-to-nuclear’ plan puts fossil fuel in use for decades
“There would be some coal plants that could run longer than others into the future, but there is a large proportion that really are going to struggle to get beyond that 2035 date.”
The opposition has declared that baseload power from either a coal or nuclear plant is a crucial part of a “balanced energy mix”, that would also include renewables, batteries and gas.
“You need to maintain a form of always-on, 24/7 baseload power. If it’s not coal, it’s got to be nuclear,” opposition energy spokesman Ted O’Brien said alongside Dutton on December 13 while revealing the policy costings.
The Australian Energy Market Operator, an independent statutory authority, expects 90 per cent of coal plants to be shut down by their owners by 2035.
That is because cheaper electricity from wind and solar farms is undercutting the business model of coal plants, whose owners are responding by bringing forward closure dates to halt their losses.
Coal plant owners – many of them among the nation’s biggest investors in renewables – say “they are certainly not opposed” to nuclear energy in Australia. However, they are worried that the opposition has not announced any measures to ensure coal plants remain economically viable between now and 2035, when Dutton’s first nuclear plant is scheduled to start.
“The assumption that investment can wait until nuclear can enter is quite concerning,” said the Australian Energy Council’s Louisa Kinnear.
“Those coal-fired power stations are likely to come out of the system some time in the mid-2030s, so you really want to ensure that you’ve got capacity in the next five to 10 years … And you can’t wait for a decision on nuclear to do that.”
The opposition’s stance is a contrast to the Albanese government’s plan, which follows the modelling of AEMO and assumes the grid will be 94 per cent renewables by 2050, and includes tens of billions of dollars in public underwriting for clean energy, which it argues is the cheapest form of new electricity supply.
O’Brien emphasises the role of government policy in driving coal plants out of business, arguing that under this scenario “the lights go out and the prices go up”.
While it has committed to keep either coal or nuclear power plants in operation to supply baseload power, the opposition has not detailed how it would prevent their owners from shutting them down.
When asked repeatedly at the costings launch about the AEMO forecast that 90 per cent of coal plants would shut by 2035, O’Brien emphasised his claim that coal or nuclear is needed to lower power bills.
“We are putting the people at the centre and the priority is to get prices down, and that means you cannot close coal plants prematurely,” O’Brien said on October 13.
Clare Savage, chairwoman of the Australian Energy Regulator, another statutory authority, told federal parliament’s nuclear energy inquiry in October that coal plants would not remain viable long enough to build nuclear plants as a replacement.
Savage pointed out that as she spoke, on October 24, 26 per cent of the coal plant was down for maintenance, with more than 10 per cent of the entire fleet shut down due to mechanical failures.
“Coal can’t last until you’d have nuclear power available,” she said.
While the opposition believes it can build its first nuclear reactor by 2037, including a two-year planning window following the federal election that is due by May next year, the CSIRO has said it could not be built before 2040.
From the SMH this morning -
Owners of Australia’s coal power plants say they cannot keep their ageing fossil-fuel electricity generators running long enough for Opposition Leader Peter Dutton to build his planned fleet of nuclear reactors.
The Coalition’s energy policy hinges on the construction of seven nuclear plants on the sites of coal plants located across the country. The first expected would be expected to be switched on by 2037 and the whole fleet completed before 2050.
Long-awaited costings of the policy, released this month, showed that to complete the nuclear plan, the opposition would rely on the nation’s 15 coal-fired power plants staying in operation until nuclear could replace them.
The Australian Energy Council, which represents the nation’s biggest energy companies and coal owners, including AGL, Origin and EnergyAustralia, said the fossil fuel plants were too costly to run and maintain for the decades required by the opposition.
“To assume that a nuclear plant can replace whatever plans members have in place now is a brave [assumption],” said the council’s chief executive Louisa Kinnear.
Coalition’s ‘coal-to-nuclear’ plan puts fossil fuel in use for decades
“There would be some coal plants that could run longer than others into the future, but there is a large proportion that really are going to struggle to get beyond that 2035 date.”
The opposition has declared that baseload power from either a coal or nuclear plant is a crucial part of a “balanced energy mix”, that would also include renewables, batteries and gas.
“You need to maintain a form of always-on, 24/7 baseload power. If it’s not coal, it’s got to be nuclear,” opposition energy spokesman Ted O’Brien said alongside Dutton on December 13 while revealing the policy costings.
The Australian Energy Market Operator, an independent statutory authority, expects 90 per cent of coal plants to be shut down by their owners by 2035.
That is because cheaper electricity from wind and solar farms is undercutting the business model of coal plants, whose owners are responding by bringing forward closure dates to halt their losses.
Coal plant owners – many of them among the nation’s biggest investors in renewables – say “they are certainly not opposed” to nuclear energy in Australia. However, they are worried that the opposition has not announced any measures to ensure coal plants remain economically viable between now and 2035, when Dutton’s first nuclear plant is scheduled to start.
“The assumption that investment can wait until nuclear can enter is quite concerning,” said the Australian Energy Council’s Louisa Kinnear.
“Those coal-fired power stations are likely to come out of the system some time in the mid-2030s, so you really want to ensure that you’ve got capacity in the next five to 10 years … And you can’t wait for a decision on nuclear to do that.”
The opposition’s stance is a contrast to the Albanese government’s plan, which follows the modelling of AEMO and assumes the grid will be 94 per cent renewables by 2050, and includes tens of billions of dollars in public underwriting for clean energy, which it argues is the cheapest form of new electricity supply.
O’Brien emphasises the role of government policy in driving coal plants out of business, arguing that under this scenario “the lights go out and the prices go up”.
While it has committed to keep either coal or nuclear power plants in operation to supply baseload power, the opposition has not detailed how it would prevent their owners from shutting them down.
When asked repeatedly at the costings launch about the AEMO forecast that 90 per cent of coal plants would shut by 2035, O’Brien emphasised his claim that coal or nuclear is needed to lower power bills.
“We are putting the people at the centre and the priority is to get prices down, and that means you cannot close coal plants prematurely,” O’Brien said on October 13.
Clare Savage, chairwoman of the Australian Energy Regulator, another statutory authority, told federal parliament’s nuclear energy inquiry in October that coal plants would not remain viable long enough to build nuclear plants as a replacement.
Savage pointed out that as she spoke, on October 24, 26 per cent of the coal plant was down for maintenance, with more than 10 per cent of the entire fleet shut down due to mechanical failures.
“Coal can’t last until you’d have nuclear power available,” she said.
While the opposition believes it can build its first nuclear reactor by 2037, including a two-year planning window following the federal election that is due by May next year, the CSIRO has said it could not be built before 2040.
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