Trade Requested Bailey Smith - Reportedly headed to Geelong

[threenewpadlocks]

No complaints about the system when you got JUH and Darcy each for a packet of chips recently? No I didn't think so.

News - AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

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I literally complain about it there

It's swings and roundabouts. And the dogs have had way way way more benefit recently from the current system than most.

As a smaller club, we would not be expected to benefit of the league in its entirety over several decades over bigger clubs, even if that's offset with Jamarra and Darcy, especially as that it's no different than the likes of Collingwood having all of its advantages plus getting an identical advantage with Daicos, etc. etc.

 

[MacStradbroke]

You may be laughing at me but at least this is more honest than other Geelong fans trying to rationalise something that can't be rationalised away.

That’s your shortest post for a while

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Oliver who has years to go and a club saying they arent trading him, and Smith who the Dogs have said no to the original offer... for pick 17 and a F1 likely to be mid to high teens?

If Mackie manages that he is the greatest ever. Greater than Dodoro. Greater than Tony Cochrane !

17 and 2nd for Smith is about right for Smith.

Oliver the valuation of the asset needs to look at the full balance sheet as the sum of liabilities and equity. Don't think the trade happens because the liabilities aren't estimated transparently and so no one can accurately value the asset.

 

[HairyO]

17 and 2nd for Smith is about right for Smith.

Oliver the valuation of the asset needs to look at the full balance sheet as the sum of liabilities and equity. Don't think the trade happens because the liabilities aren't estimated transparently and so no one can accurately value the asset.

If clubs knew how many strikes players had it would make things more transparent.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Carlton have 2 picks before Geelong as well. If they dont get Houston (which seems very unlikely) for sure you'd use one of them on Smith. Would be crazy not to.

The idea that Smith slips to pick 17 is nuts. Even bottom 4 teams dont use the draft threat.

Cats should just pony up a simiilar offer to what they demanded for Tim Kelly who wanted to go home for family/medical reasons.

Smith just wants more of his family to get Cotton On jobs. Nothing personal or medical about it.

Carlton don't have the cap room for Smith and even if they did they have bigger priorities list wise.
No one in the top 6 or 7 would pick Smith, gws won't touch it given their retention issues (which rules 15 or 16 out) neither will any interstate teams. Melbourne won't given their issues so it's probably very likely he gets to 17 if he frontloads the contract and refuses to talk to other clubs.

 

[HairyO]

Carlton don't have the cap room for Smith and even if they did they have bigger priorities list wise.
No one in the top 6 or 7 would pick Smith, gws won't touch it given their retention issues (which rules 15 or 16 out) neither will any interstate teams. Melbourne won't given their issues so it's probably very likely he gets to 17 if he refuses to talk to other clubs.

They are offloading a number of players and the cap goes up a lot over thee next couple of years.

You'd make space for Houston and you'd make space for Smith.

 

[Ross]

The truth probably is they are already close but the AFL need to drag this crap out so will have something today, something tomorrow and something on Wednesday.

Pretty much this. AFL are absolutely thirsty for attention and are dragging something that could be done in a max of two or three days out over three or four weeks.

After Wednesday night there's invariably going to be the many "how did your club fare during trade period?" puff pieces later this week, followed by next week's "which delisted free agents could improve your club?"

Then we'll get a month of draft prospects having smoke blown up them through Twomey and others doing their weekly phantom drafts while dribs and drabs of the fixture start getting 'leaked' out.

Then the fixture gets released in December with the replete "how difficult is your club's fixture?" articles to follow it.

Then the AFL takes a break over Christmas and NYE and cricket (which not long ago was the major summer sport for several months) gets their couple of weeks in the spotlight.

Then the AFL media cycle starts up again with the gushing "which young guns from your club are tearing up the track?" stuff in January and then a couple of weeks later the pre-season games are about to start again.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

If clubs knew how many strikes players had it would make things more transparent.

I would be surprised of clubs weren't able to find out. More important than that is that clubs can't predict how a player goes in the future because past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. Or probably more accurately, the selling club may be able to paint a rosier picture to convince a club it's less significant than it is and it's hard to discern the truth between two sides of the story.

I mostly think that the MFC administration would rightly expect a round of sackings if they salary dumped Oliver. Dew and Buckley both sacked the following winter after losing Bowes and Grundy/Treloar. I expect Pert is likely holding on by the skin of his teeth as it is.

 

[Tristan34]

You can't force a player to do medical assessment, or interviews. He isn't contracted.. This is nuts!

 

[Superstar swan]

Dogs to redraft smith

 

[threenewpadlocks]

You can't force a player to do medical assessment, or interviews. He isn't contracted.. This is nuts!

By virtue of having to nominate for the draft, he's in effect delisting himself from the Dogs, if no contract can be agreed upon.

The AFL can then place rules upon players seeking to enter the draft, that are reasonable, as they do to the 17 and 18 year olds:

https://play.afl/sites/default/files/2024-10/2024%20Telstra%20AFL%20Draft%20Booklet.pdf

The literal second question on the key questions section on their handbook listed above is:

"I am no longer on a Primary or Rookie list of an AFL Club but want to continue playing AFL football. What do I do?
You will have to re-nominate for the Telstra AFL Draft."

With all the subsequent rules therein.

 

[FB19]

So Richmond waste a top pick on a player who doesn't want to be there, and the Doggies get literally nothing.

Only team who doesn't lose out in that scenario is Geelong.

So off the mark where do you start? “Hey Bailey come to one of the biggest clubs in the land just coming off major success where you will be the prime midfielder for the rest of your career playing in front of huge crowds on the MCG for exactly the money you want with tribal fans who will absolutely love you.” Ahhh no thanks I want to play for a lot less down at the dungheap.”
Also how do Geelong not lose out when just losing a prelim in the final minutes and they add pick 17 rather than an established 23 year old high talent mid? Would be a massive own goal.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

So off the mark where do you start? “Hey Bailey come to one of the biggest clubs in the land just coming off major success where you will be the prime midfielder for the rest of your career playing in front of huge crowds on the MCG for exactly the money you want with tribal fans who will absolutely love you.” Ahhh no thanks I want to play for a lot less down at the dungheap.”
Also how do Geelong not lose out when just losing a prelim in the final minutes and they add pick 17 rather than an established 23 year old high talent mid? Would be a massive own goal.

Wait which club are you talking about? We were the only Victorian club to make the prelim this year ?

Your clearly not talking about HOKS when you say coming off major success right ? Making a semi final isn't the same as a premiership. Although maybe it is for the young HOKS.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Dogs to redraft smith

They don't have a r1.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

By virtue of having to nominate for the draft, he's in effect delisting himself from the Dogs, if no contract can be agreed upon.

The AFL can then place rules upon players seeking to enter the draft, that are reasonable, as they do to the 17 and 18 year olds:

https://play.afl/sites/default/files/2024-10/2024%20Telstra%20AFL%20Draft%20Booklet.pdf

The literal second question on the key questions section on their handbook listed above is:


With all the subsequent rules therein.

Players routinely refuse to have medicals with certain clubs or tell them if they draft them they won't stay. And the afl routinely does nothing so why in the world would you think this case would be different?

 

[FB19]

Wait which club are you talking about? We were the only Victorian club to make the prelim this year ?

Your clearly not talking about HOKS when you say coming off major success right ? Making a semi final isn't the same as a premiership. Although maybe it is for the young HOKS.

Richmond - was a reference to them not taking him in the draft with a billion early picks and the success was their 2* flags. #covidflagsdontcount

 

[Tonythetiger]

Richmond - was a reference to them not taking him in the draft with a billion early picks and the success was their 2* flags. #covidflagsdontcount

The Covid flag was actually pretty special, the fact that it actually evened everything out by having everyone stuck in the hubs was crazy. If anything, Melbourne's flag doesn't count for ... reasons.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Richmond - was a reference to them not taking him in the draft with a billion early picks and the success was their 2* flags. #covidflagsdontcount

I think it's pretty obvious whether Smith wants to play for the Geelong "dungheap" or Richmond.

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

Mackie told ya, 17 or nothing you nerds.

 

[adogsfan5]

Massive, massive chance it is already sorted and the wait is to see what Cats have left in terms of picks towards the end of the trade period. Reckon there is a fair bit of angst between both supporter groups (and a few others ) for nothing.

Yep, not to mention the afl needs the prime time last few hours deadline.