Trade Requested Bailey Smith

[FootyLad0]

Smith announcement today lads?

 

[bluespooner]

He's right. Smith wanted us but our interest changed once the team started to win games of footy and an area we thought was a weakness isn't anymore. There's flexibility to move players around where Smith would have slotted in if that makes sense. Barass became a much bigger priority when it became apparent in some of our games what we are lacking right now. Battle was already being spoken to but we needed more. Good luck to Baz at Geelong. He will take over from Danger as the number 1 man in the midfield.

Why, hawthorn's backline is fine. They were found out in the finals as they didn't have a forward who could take a contested mark. Chol is a tall with limited ability overhead.

The other weakness hawthorn has is the lack of class around the ball as they got smashed by the modest Port midfielders, JHF the exception. Undoubtedly, hawthorn could do with a player like Smith; the question becomes do they have the trade assets to satisfy the bulldogs.

I would think this will be unlikely given they seem to have an in-principle agreement with Tom Barrass.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Why, hawthorn's backline is fine. They were found out in the finals as they didn't have a forward who could take a contested mark. Chol is a tall with limited ability overhead.

The other weakness hawthorn has is the lack of class around the ball as they got smashed by the modest Port midfielders, JHF the exception. Undoubtedly, hawthorn could do with a player like Smith; the question becomes do they have the trade assets to satisfy the bulldogs.

I would think this will be unlikely given they seem to have an in-principle agreement with Tom Barrass.

We had no Day or McKenzie who both add that class around the ball. McKenzie should emerge next year as a very good onballer. Mitch Lewis into that forward line pushes Chol back to 3rd tall which is where he should be. He wasn't drafted as the big banana in the forward line more a complimentary one. Dear should develop further too.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

We had no Day or McKenzie who both add that class around the ball. McKenzie should emerge next year as a very good onballer. Mitch Lewis into that forward line pushes Chol back to 3rd tall which is where he should be. He wasn't drafted as the big banana in the forward line more a complimentary one. Dear should develop further too.

Calling Rozee and Butters modest is genuine btw.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

Why, hawthorn's backline is fine. They were found out in the finals as they didn't have a forward who could take a contested mark. Chol is a tall with limited ability overhead.

The other weakness hawthorn has is the lack of class around the ball as they got smashed by the modest Port midfielders, JHF the exception. Undoubtedly, hawthorn could do with a player like Smith; the question becomes do they have the trade assets to satisfy the bulldogs.

I would think this will be unlikely given they seem to have an in-principle agreement with Tom Barrass.

But we didn't get smashed by ports midfielders.
Wines 23, Rozee 20, JHF 19, Butters 17 touches
Newcombe 31, Worpel 19, Nash 19... and we didn't have Day.

Clearances 40 hawthorn vs 42 Port

And if you're looking for class around the ball... Bailey Smith isn't it. Great accumulator and provides run and carry, but is a turnover merchant.

 

[Pencil case]

He's right. Smith wanted us but our interest changed once the team started to win games of footy and an area we thought was a weakness isn't anymore. There's flexibility to move players around where Smith would have slotted in if that makes sense. Barass became a much bigger priority when it became apparent in some of our games what we are lacking right now. Battle was already being spoken to but we needed more. Good luck to Baz at Geelong. He will take over from Danger as the number 1 man in the midfield.

He was always going to Geelong. The Barass trade baffles me, two firsts for a 30 year old with a bad back, that’s never been AA.

 

[Wojcinski]

interesting that the asking price for Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

is a single first round pick, different player but I'd have thought marginally more value than Smith due to being an established but still young KPP

 

[Wojcinski]

also I haven't been in the thread for a few days, whats with these Hawthorn supporters posting in here saying they're the ones that knocked B. Smith back? lmao c'mon

 

[Doggy]

interesting that the asking price for Jack Lukosius is a single first round pick, different player but I'd have thought marginally more value than Smith due to being an established but still young KPP

Completely different and GC want his salary gone too.

Geelong aren't getting away with pick 20 at draft time

 

[threenewpadlocks]

interesting that the asking price for Jack Lukosius is a single first round pick, different player but I'd have thought marginally more value than Smith due to being an established but still young KPP

Because he's on a backloaded contract. Port will pay more in totality over a six-year deal than they otherwise would have, than if he was out of contract, so Port are counterbalancing a bigger hit to their salary cap by paying out less than they otherwise would have at the trade table. It's not that complex.

 

[Foxman98]

interesting that the asking price for Jack Lukosius is a single first round pick, different player but I'd have thought marginally more value than Smith due to being an established but still young KPP

Lukosius is far from an established KPP been dropped multiple times closer to a Josh Schache trade

 

[Pencil case]

Lukosius is far from an established KPP been dropped multiple times closer to a Josh Schache trade

Wade Derskin is an established KPP, I can’t understand how Bailey Smith would be worth more than him??

 

[all seeing eye]

Can see Dogs being dudded in this, Smith is a gun.

 

[Wojcinski]

Wade Derskin is an established KPP, I can’t understand how Bailey Smith would be worth more than him??

He's never even played a game of AFL but go off son

 

[sexyhunk]

also I haven't been in the thread for a few days, whats with these Hawthorn supporters posting in here saying they're the ones that knocked B. Smith back? lmao c'mon

same as ben mckay last season.

 

[SnusCG]

Lukosius is far from an established KPP been dropped multiple times closer to a Josh Schache trade

Lukosius has been dropped once in his career. 2 VFL games ever, with the other being a return from injury game in 2022.

kicked 39 goals last year and 23 this year only playing Fwd from round 10 onward.

Nothing like a Schache trade. He's played 116 games in 6 seasons at the Suns.

The only players from the 2018 draft who have played more games than him are Rozee, Blakey, and Butters

 

[Foxman98]

He's never even played a game of AFL but go off son

And Luko has 1 solid season in 6

 

[Foxman98]

Lukosius has been dropped once in his career.

kicked 39 goals last year and 23 this year only playing Fwd from round 12 onward.

Nothing like a Schache trade. He's played 116 games in 6 seasons at the Suns.

And his previous 4 seasons he kicked 17 goals total in 73 games

Talented player sure but never been consistent with his effort which again isn't dissimilar to what Schache was

 

[Wojcinski]

And Luko has 1 solid season in 6

lmao you've never seen him play then

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

He was always going to Geelong. The Barass trade baffles me, two firsts for a 30 year old with a bad back, that’s never been AA.

He wasnt but you keep with that narrative. Many ITK's had him going to us 6 months ago.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

He wasnt but you keep with that narrative. Many ITK's had him going to us 6 months ago.

2 firsts is what is being speculated mate. Not what is going to eventuate.

 

[SnusCG]

And his previous 4 seasons he kicked 17 goals total in 73 games

Talented player sure but never been consistent with his effort which again isn't dissimilar to what Schache was

Irrelevant stat for most of his career as he was played as a defender for 2019, 2020 and 2021 and spent most of 2022 injured

See previous post edit, The only players from the 2018 draft who have played more games than him are Rozee, Blakey, and Butters

 

[Wojcinski]

And his previous 4 seasons he kicked 17 goals total in 73 games

Talented player sure but never been consistent with his effort which again isn't dissimilar to what Schache was

the fact that you compare him to Schache baffles me, just admit you've never seen Lukosius play and move on

 

[Ash1337]

We'll see in a year how Cats fans try to justify the 2 first round picks for SDK if he leaves OoC next year like they're doing to us now. We dogs fans have a right to want to see 2 first rounds or a top 10 pick when it comes to a player like Smith with the amount of development in him and he'll likely be the main mid next season at the cats.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

also I haven't been in the thread for a few days, whats with these Hawthorn supporters posting in here saying they're the ones that knocked B. Smith back? lmao c'mon

Your not actually into all the details of the discussions are you. There's other reasons we pulled out of the running as well but you obviously want to keep the narrative he chose Geelong because of the lifestyle, culture etc.