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Barry Hall set to sign with Dogs
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legitimatic
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Very good get by the Doggies, hopefully Bazza calms down a bit in a new environment, otherwise it could be trouble.
80 goals? 60-70 is a tad more realistic, don't you think?
Do you mean 80 goals over 2 years?
I'd say 50-60 would be a good return. Anything more is exceptional.
It's not so much about being the '80 goal KPF', as it is providing the big, strong option that we need.
IE - Hall impacts the 09 PF, Kicks 2 - we win.
He doesn't really have to completely dominate (though it'd be nice).
It's not so much about being the '80 goal KPF', as it is providing the big, strong option that we need.
IE - Hall impacts the 09 PF, Kicks 2 - we win.
He doesn't really have to completely dominate (though it'd be nice).
A Tad, but I still think around 40 - 50 goals will be sufficient. Our goals are still going to be pretty well spread around and Hall will not be relied upon as the only forward. We'll still have the smaller forwards used pretty heavily but Barry will be used as the guy who they can bomb it to inside 50, make a contest and to draw the best defender.
Also frees up Minson to play just as a Ruck which he is more suited at.
Hall kicked 31 goals this season, over 11 games, in a side with a midfield that doesn't come close to the Doggies.
He could definitely kick 60-70 a season.
He could definitely kick 60-70 a season.
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Just to clarify, I did mean 80 goals over 2 years - 40 per season - which doesn't sound unrealistic to me. Even Aker kicked 43 goals for the Bulldogs this year (leading the team), and he's the same age and doesn't have anywhere near the physical presence as Hall.
Hall has kicked 40+ goals in every season bar two (2000, 2009) for the last 11 years. He was also on course for a 62 goal season if he'd played every game this year. So considering the delivery he'll be getting at the Bulldogs (their midfield is far superior to the Swans' midfield at this stage), I think 40 goals per year for the next two years (plus no suspensions) should be the expected return from Hall.
Ah, OK, that makes sense. I would definitely expect him to crack 50 next year (while not at his best in some areas this year, he was certainly doing OK with the goals), and a good year for both him and the rest of the team, assuming no injuries/suspensions (big "if", I know!) should get him up above 60.
That's 60+ goals withouth finals and with a team who doesn't offer silver service.
Should definitely be looking for 65+ from him in 2010 - with 80 not out of the question. Might kick a few bags when we get rolling.
legitimatic
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I hope this in jest, otherwise it's an idiotic mindset, Hall is as likely to lose his shit and kill someone (literally) as he is kicking 60 goals, is this even confirmed yet?
We're a 25% chance of winning one without him. I'd say our odds go up with him on the list.
Couldn't say that about many players.
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I also factored in the fact that the Bulldogs have had 8 players kick 20 or more goals this season, while Sydney had just 3 (Hall, Adam Goodes and Michael O'Loughlin), which would mean that Hall wouldn't have to carry the load entirely for the Bulldogs. Still, 40 goals per year for 2010/2011 should be the expected return from Hall, but definitely he'd be capable of more just judging by this year's output alone. Depending on how they re-structure their gameplan (and you'd assume they'd utilise him fully if he's there), then 60-70 in 2010 definitely isn't out of the question.
Call me cynical, but I reckon its a marketing maneouvre. Having him in the side should get more through the gates, and should sell more memberships, but from an onfield perspective I think the negatives outweigh the positives.
Firstly, he is a ticking timebomb. He's not just aggressive, he's borderline psychopathic. Wouldn't be surprised if he spent at least half of next season suspended.
Secondly, he was a fading force last season in terms of what he did on the park. Only going to decline further.
Thirdly, he retired, and now he's mounting a comeback. Give me an example in world sport of when that's worked, and i'll give you 20 examples where it hasn't.
Having said all this, it might just be worth the risk, only because he'd fit well into the Bulldogs structure and would be good for them given their financial situation... and it would certainly be interesting to watch.
Firstly, he is a ticking timebomb. He's not just aggressive, he's borderline psychopathic. Wouldn't be surprised if he spent at least half of next season suspended.
Secondly, he was a fading force last season in terms of what he did on the park. Only going to decline further.
Thirdly, he retired, and now he's mounting a comeback. Give me an example in world sport of when that's worked, and i'll give you 20 examples where it hasn't.
Having said all this, it might just be worth the risk, only because he'd fit well into the Bulldogs structure and would be good for them given their financial situation... and it would certainly be interesting to watch.
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Does anyone else think that $600k over 2 years is a very steep price for a player who exhibits the following characteristics?:
- is going to be 33 years old before the start of next season
- is well past his best
- has been an average player at best for 3 seasons
- has been run out of 2 clubs
- has a long list of controversies
- is a loose cannon who has been more a distraction than a help to his team over the past 2 seasons
Do the WB think they are getting the 2003-2007 version of Barry Hall? I am shocked that any club would be willing to give him more than a 1 year deal. I think this is going to end in tears.
- is going to be 33 years old before the start of next season
- is well past his best
- has been an average player at best for 3 seasons
- has been run out of 2 clubs
- has a long list of controversies
- is a loose cannon who has been more a distraction than a help to his team over the past 2 seasons
Do the WB think they are getting the 2003-2007 version of Barry Hall? I am shocked that any club would be willing to give him more than a 1 year deal. I think this is going to end in tears.
I wont call you cynical, incorrect would be a better fit.
As has been mentioned, he kicked 31 goals in just half a season and if there was one thing positive about Hall in 2009 it was that his form when he wasn't losing his head was very good.
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Someone hasn't been watching the Swans early this year. Kicking 31 goals in 11 games playing in a side with average delivery is undoubtably acceptable.
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Why did he only play 11 games this year?
Do you honestly think that the Swans would have dropped him, and then punted him to the kerb mid season if he was even a shadow his former self?
Who do the Bulldogs need to improve against to take the next step? Geelong and St Kilda. This year, Barry Hall had 5 possessions and 0 goals against Geelong and 8 possessions and 1 goal against Geelong.
This (supposed) contract smacks of desperation on behalf of the Bulldogs.
In the 2nd year of the deal, when Barry is even further over the hill than he is already, won't the $300k they are paying him be far better spent on their core of good prime aged players that will be seeking pay rises? Teams that are in the hunt for the flag cannot afford to be paying good $ on washed up players. It just puts too much strain on their salary cap.
As I said before, I think this is going to end in tears.
alinghi
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Don't do it Dogs. He sucks.
He wasn't dropped because of poor form.
Would you prefer us to sit on our hands... and in turn potentially have another unfilled season? If I didn't support the doggies or had no interest in them succeeding then yes I'd probably say that too
I for one, don't see Barry having a huge individual impact, but the roll on effect to our other forwards will be huge. We've perfected the multiple avenues game plan, now we have another string to our bow which could well be the exact piece of puzzle left remaining.
legitimatic
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Agree with this, smacks a little bit of what Freo did a few years ago getting guys like Tarrant/Carr/Black, topping up with mature aged players to fill holes in the hope they'd take us all the way.
A bit different though considering we gave up good picks and Bulldogs will get him cheap (draft pick wise), but it seems a bit all or nothing.
He showed patches of quality, but even still he was clearly past his peak, and he's certainly not going to improve from here so my point stands.
If you honestly think Hall was dropped on form, you need to grow a brain. Well, baby steps, half a brain will do for now.
Honestly, that first line is one of the stupidest things I've read in a while (excluding Bay 13). The rest of the post would make sense if it were true, but Hall was dropped despite his form. He was kicking 3 goals a game, while getting absolutely terrible delivery all season. Sure, he wasn't leading up the ground as much and racking up the possessions and marks, but the Dogs aren't paying for Hall in his prime: they're paying for a bloke who can bag three goals a game, force a contest for their smalls to crumb off, and take the best defender, without giving up an arm and a leg. And for that, Hall is an absolutely perfect fit.
