BBL Match 32 Melbourne Renegades v Melbourne Stars 12/1 1845hrs @ Docklands Stadium

[NYRB]

Standings after tonight:



Thunder v Perth has huge meaning now. Renegades really didnt go for the kill by getting Maxwell tonight. But to Maxwells credit , he played a team saver innings for his side.

 

[JLC]

Sacking jfm would be a start. Brown also is not worth what they are paying him.

Wells was a costly injury he's the kind of cricket brain that can build an innings that they need

Brown has been a major disappointment.

I think the grand plan from CV will be to eventually move JFM across to the Stars.

 

[Around the Wicket]

Brown has been a major disappointment.

I think the grand plan from CV will be to eventually move JFM across to the Stars.

Brown failed all last year and then hit the 140 to probably rescue his careerl..

I don't get why we played with the batting line up as much as we did tonight

I understand against Perth why we made slight changes - Harris was clearly in to open, JFM needed to drop down the order and with Brown out it made sense to bring Seifert up to open

What I would have liked to do tonight was Brown return to open, Seifert back to 3, Bethell stays at 4 with Sutherland moving up to 5 and JFM down the order

Not sure why Seifert has gone from batting at 3, to opener to 5 tonight - he's looked solid when coming in to the order, so which we stuck with that

JFM is struggling to get going with balls to get himself in, I don’t see him doing much down the order when he has to slog from ball 1.

 

[BStaff17]

To think if you go back through the first 4-5 match threads, so many people said the Stars had to get rid of Maxwell…

Be snapped up by 7 other franchise if he was ever let go!!!

I still sort of see it as a Chris Lynn/Brisbane Heat type scenario.

Lynn scored a mountain of runs for the Heat but eventually they kept losing and Khawaja was brought in & told them to clean up the culture and part of that was getting rid of Lynn.

In the following 2 seasons after that decision they made 2 GFs and won a BBL.

In the 5 seasons leading up to that decision the Heat made the finals once and Lynn was leading run scorer for the heat 3 years in a row in the 4 year period before his departure.

Maxi will stay but they seriously need to move Stoinis on.

You can't keep both of them they have won them nothing in a decade they have been there so what's going to change if they dont win it this year. When they keep getting older.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I think last night has killed my genuine care about the Renegades. It's been 5 gutless seasons now, and it's just at the point where it feels like it will never change.

Thoroughly enjoy the BBL every night as a neutral supporter anyway, so it's probably time to stop letting one team in particular affect my emotions negatively.

Even with a strong side on paper, nothing ever changes.

It's beyond blowing it all up at this point as well. No one or two players will make a difference, and the side that is there constantly underperforms.

No doubt we'll end up with pick 1 in the draft again and waste it on a player who doesn't show up or never hits a boundary in the powerplay.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Went to the game tonight.

Renegades proved they are the world champions of dumb cricket. Congratulations

To allow Maxwell to milk the strike with singles at the end of the over (pretty much most overs) with zero pressure is laughable. Is this team actually serious?

I thought some of the field placings were not great.

Then with the bat - surely the job of Harris was just to rotate the strike and keep things ticking over. As opposed to trying to play the hero shot.

Our first 4 overs with the bat of most matches is pathetic. Can't even go at a run a ball with 2 fielders out. heck the Stars face us half the early runs through extras. In four overs there was barely 1 good cricket shot.

And another horrible power surge with the ball and bat. Took it maybe an over too late today but the real problem was the execution - horrific .

Was at the game too.

When it became obvious what Maxwell was doing, my son and I both turned to each other and said "Why not bring the field up on the last ball and stop the single?". It was dumb captaincy not to do it....if Maxwell hits a four then so what? We had them 7/100, concede a few runs to get the bunnies on strike and knock them over for 110. Gades just let him get easy singles everywhere.....

 

[cats_09]

Wouldn't mind seeing what Sam has to offer over our remaining games - we've signed a few replacement players over the past week, so let's see what they have to offer compared with those we know who haven't hit the mark this season

 

[Hamingja]

I still sort of see it as a Chris Lynn/Brisbane Heat type scenario.

Lynn scored a mountain of runs for the Heat but eventually they kept losing and Khawaja was brought in & told them to clean up the culture and part of that was getting rid of Lynn.

In the following 2 seasons after that decision they made 2 GFs and won a BBL.

In the 5 seasons leading up to that decision the Heat made the finals once and Lynn was leading run scorer for the heat 3 years in a row in the 4 year period before his departure.

Maxi will stay but they seriously need to move Stoinis on.

You can't keep both of them they have won them nothing in a decade they have been there so what's going to change if they dont win it this year. When they keep getting older.

Stoinis contract would be eye watering and the one that kills them.

There is too little movement between sides so it is hard to re balance but sometimes you just have to let them go.

Brisbane have benefitted from Lynn leaving as you said and Hurricanes letting Darcy Short go I think has been a big positive as well.

Non performing players on big contracts is a killer.

 

[cats_09]

Stoinis contract would be eye watering and the one that kills them.

There is too little movement between sides so it is hard to re balance but sometimes you just have to let them go.

Brisbane have benefitted from Lynn leaving as you said and Hurricanes letting Darcy Short go I think has been a big positive as well.

Non performing players on big contracts is a killer.

Not sure if JFM is necessarily on a big contract at the Gades, but he's one where there could well be mutual benefit to moving him on - he's definitely stalled this year, hasn't got going and the best thing for him & future will be to find a new home for a clean start

Also works for the Gades because it does seem we're not willing to make the tough call in terms of either really dropping him down the order or simply dropping him. Last year we saw both Finch & Maddinson (captain) find themselves out of the team due to form, and it's a call we've made on others but we don't want to do that with JFM, and it's not like he has a decade of top line form behind him to fall back on

 

[jimmytigs]

there was a thread here re player movement,but i cant find the %&*(#$ thing no matter what &^%$#@ words i use in the search,so can someone place this in the appropriate thread and tag me to it please

Tom Morris’ BBL trade news update ahead of inaugural player movement window

“Nothing official yet, but all parties expect it to happen.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[JLC]

Great, so the team that likely finishes bottom in the Gades do nothing. Once again it is big brother that appears to be the preference for Cricket Victoria.

Hopefully Nathan Lyon (never plays), Mackenzie Harvey, Marcus Harris, Kane Richardson as a starting point.

Now Bethell has gone home? Why isn't her playing tonight against the Heat?

 

[gordo2016]

Great, so the team that likely finishes bottom in the Gades do nothing. Once again it is big brother that appears to be the preference for Cricket Victoria.

Hopefully Nathan Lyon (never plays), Mackenzie Harvey, Marcus Harris, Kane Richardson as a starting point.

Now Bethell has gone home? Why isn't her playing tonight against the Heat?

Bethell has left for International duty in India.

 

[JLC]

Bethell has left for International duty in India.

This is my problem with the Gades - what was the plan had they made finals? Happens most years with their internationals - Nabi, De Kock etc.

No Bethel? No Laurie Evans? Other teams gain Australian players and get stronger. We become weaker.

 

[cats_09]

This is my problem with the Gades - what was the plan had they made finals? Happens most years with their internationals - Nabi, De Kock etc.

No Bethel? No Laurie Evans? Other teams gain Australian players and get stronger. We become weaker.

We got Seifert for the whole season though

 

[JLC]

We got Seifert for the whole season though

We have killed him. He can go now lol.

 

[chickenonachain]

stuffed up sorry