Traded Ben Brown [Traded to Melbourne with #28 and Future 4th Round Pick for #26, #33 and Future 4th Round Pick]

[The Filth Wizard]

I homestly wouldn’t be surprised for nothing Ben & North to come back to each other, with both their tails between their legs.

 

[Brezsa]

In that scenario, Brown returns on a significantly reduced deal I would have thought.

Exactly, as has been pointed out in the thread there simply isn’t an obvious home

 

[THE_GUN]

The only loser from this will be North Melbourne and has been handled terribly by them

Brown will find a suitor and will get reasonable remuneration maybe not $800k but wont be too far off that but will only mean that the Roo's will get a late 2nd or maybe even a 3rd and if they wont deal then he has every right to tell his new club hey relax im going to the PSD with the $$$ on my head and you will get me for free.

Extremely poor handling by north melbourne

 

[Psicosis]

Extremely poor handling by north melbourne

How would you have suggested they handled it differently?

 

[the big lebowski]

The only loser from this will be North Melbourne and has been handled terribly by them

Brown will find a suitor and will get reasonable remuneration maybe not $800k but wont be too far off that but will only mean that the Roo's will get a late 2nd or maybe even a 3rd and if they wont deal then he has every right to tell his new club hey relax im going to the PSD with the $$$ on my head and you will get me for free.

Extremely poor handling by north melbourne

And why wouldn’t we just take him in the psd under your scenario?

 

[Dez!]

And why wouldn’t we just take him in the psd under your scenario?

I mean North would've just agreed to a contract extension then if they were willing to meet his contract demands that he'd put on himself for the PSD, would be a bit silly to not want to sign him and then sign him for the price he nominates for himself in the PSD.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

No way does Brown come back to North via the PSD, especially as he can nominate a price on his head there like Jaxk Martin last year.

Unfortunately for North I think the trade (to whatever club will be two second round picks, and/or along with a fringe player)

Think they will get only something like 40 cents back on the dollar with their investment with BB.

 

[Psicosis]

No way does Brown come back to North via the PSD, especially as he can nominate a price on his head there like Jaxk Martin last year.

Unfortunately for North I think the trade (to whatever club will be two second round picks, and/or along with a fringe player)

Think they will get only something like 40 cents back on the dollar with their investment with BB.

Yet you are gonna pay Essendon Pick 7 for Saad?

 

[THE_GUN]

And why wouldn’t we just take him in the psd under your scenario?

Simple

He would put a $750k-$800k for 3/4 years on his head

If you were going to take him at these contract conditions you could jst keep him at that now

 

[Great8]

Yet you are gonna pay Essendon Pick 7 for Saad?

No they aren’t. They might use pick 7 to obtain something to give to us but I’d be shocked if we got pick 7 in any way.
As for Brown it wouldn’t surprise me if we throw some of our cash at him but not sure why he would leave one basket case for another unless the coin was huge

 

[Psicosis]

Simple

He would put a $750k-$800k for 3/4 years on his head

If you were going to take him at these contract conditions you could jst keep him at that now

Which of these clubs that aren’t very interested in Brown and not willing to part with anything higher then a second round pick, are going to pay him 800k x 4Y’s and risk him not getting to their PSD pick.

Pardon me, but your narrative of an opposition club values Brown enough to pay him that much, but not enough to trade and make sure they get him is very flawed.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Which of these clubs that aren’t very interested in Brown and not willing to part with anything higher then a second round pick, are going to pay him 800k x 4Y’s and risk him not getting to their PSD pick.

Pardon me, but your narrative of an opposition club values Brown enough to pay him that much, but not enough to trade and make sure they get him is very flawed.

What did GC pass up for Jack Martin out of interest?

 

[THE_GUN]

Which of these clubs that aren’t very interested in Brown and not willing to part with anything higher then a second round pick, are going to pay him 800k x 4Y’s and risk him not getting to their PSD pick.

Pardon me, but your narrative of an opposition club values Brown enough to pay him that much, but not enough to trade and make sure they get him is very flawed.

When you get him for no trade you will pay him more simple

and regarding the narrative to pay more but not to trade its exactly the same narrative used for free agency
When you have the cap space e.g Crows,Dee's,Saints,Bombers etc and you have a player like Brown fall into your lap with no trade or draft pick used as in the PSD then you are happy to pay him $100k-$150k more as north would do if a player like Saad fell into the PSD and was happy to come

Not really that diffucult to understand, North have stuffed this up badly

 

[Psicosis]

When you get him for no trade you will pay him more simple

and regarding the narrative to pay more but not to trade its exactly the same narrative used for free agency
When you have the cap space e.g Crows,Dee's,Saints,Bombers etc and you have a player like Brown fall into your lap with no trade or draft pick used as in the PSD then you are happy to pay him $100k-$150k more as north would do if a player like Saad fell into the PSD and was happy to come

Not really that diffucult to understand, North have stuffed this up badly

Let’s try again... how could North have handled this differently?

None of those 4 clubs are going to pay Brown 750-800 over 3-4 years. If they were to though you would assume that they must rate him very highly considering that is big dollars, trade or no trade. A club that rates him enough to pay him a contract over $3m would want him badly enough to not risk him going though 8-12 other teams picks in the psd (bar Adelaide). A $3m player is not just a “nice to have” because you have cap space, you need to really want him.

 

[THE_GUN]

Let’s try again... how could North have handled this differently?

None of those 4 clubs are going to pay Brown 750-800 over 3-4 years. If they were to though you would assume that they must rate him very highly considering that is big dollars, trade or no trade. A club that rates him enough to pay him a contract over $3m would want him badly enough to not risk him going though 8-12 other teams picks in the psd (bar Adelaide). A $3m player is not just a “nice to have” because you have cap space, you need to really want him.

Ok will can try again , as it looks like we need to dumb this down a little more to make it more transparent

Any club that is interested which there will be for a player capable of kicking 60+ goals and has been tossed out of his club 'WILL come Cheap as in a trade'
The reason why a club will pay him higher than his actual $$$ value is because they wont have to trade a pick or just a late pick to get him

As Mentioned many many times by North Supporters when you have cap space that you cant fill then you spend up to get the talent with $$$ if you dont need a pick.

North should have offered him a contract that is enough to value him below his worth for him to consider so they have the option to keep him

Hope thats clearer for you

 

[GET YOUR DUKES OUT]

This thread is an interesting read.
I would have thought the reason that NM have told Brown "to find another club" is that they are in full on rebuild mode.
When that is the case, you trade off your assets that are actually worth something of value in exchange for young players or more likely draft picks.
So I don't buy the narrative that North have diminished his value by publicly shopping him around.
The reason NM are trading him is because they believe he is worth something, not because he is worthless.

But I guess the trick is trusting that at least one another club sees it that way as well.
Surely there are a club or 2 that are willing to part with more than a late 2nd round or 3rd round pick to get Ben Brown on their list.

 

[Psicosis]

Ok will can try again , as it looks like we need to dumb this down a little more to make it more transparent

Any club that is interested which there will be for a player capable of kicking 60+ goals and has been tossed out of his club 'WILL come Cheap as in a trade'
The reason why a club will pay him higher than his actual $$$ value is because they wont have to trade a pick or just a late pick to get him

As Mentioned many many times by North Supporters when you have cap space that you cant fill then you spend up to get the talent with $$$ if you dont need a pick.

North should have offered him a contract that is enough to value him below his worth for him to consider so they have the option to keep him

Hope thats clearer for you

Interesting that you keep ignoring my question. I’m genuinely curious as to how you think North could have handled the situation differently after Browns manager shared all the details to the media.

No one is offering Brown 750-800k and if they are, North will Trade with them.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

This thread is an interesting read.
I would have thought the reason that NM have told Brown "to find another club" is that they are in full on rebuild mode.
When that is the case, you trade off your assets that are actually worth something of value in exchange for young players or more likely draft picks.
So I don't buy the narrative that North have diminished his value by publicly shopping him around.
The reason NM are trading him is because they believe he is worth something, not because he is worthless.

But I guess the trick is trusting that at least one another club sees it that way as well.
Surely there are a club or 2 that are willing to part with more than a late 2nd round or 3rd round pick to get Ben Brown on their list.

I think this is pretty bang on.

Saying somebody is open for sale isn't a green light to come and tyre kick and lowball, it's a signal to the market that an asset is available, nothing more. The press release was clear - we're open to sell in a deal that is mutually beneficial.

If anything other clubs should be wary if we try to offload cheaply, it means there's a reason we're moving him on (and let's be honest, it's not financial).

 

[THE_GUN]

Interesting that you keep ignoring my question. I’m genuinely curious as to how you think North could have handled the situation differently after Browns manager shared all the details to the media.

No one is offering Brown 750-800k and if they are, North will Trade with them.

OK I will write again , Teams offering this coin dont need north to trade with them and would only offer that if he walks to them

North should have had a decent offer for him on the table for him to consider and have a value , But having no offer and out of contract you guys have thrown him out and he wont give a stuff what north get for him and will only be interested in his own salary.

$500k if we have to trade
$700k if we get you as a psd

which do you think Brown would select


He just needs to tell north i dont have any offers at the price i want and will be entering the PSD at $750k x 4 but happy to stay if you give me this

 

[Psicosis]

OK I will write again , Teams offering this coin dont need north to trade with them and would only offer that if he walks to them

North should have had a decent offer for him on the table for him to consider and have a value , But having no offer and out of contract you guys have thrown him out and he wont give a stuff what north get for him and will only be interested in his own salary.

$500k if we have to trade
$700k if we get you as a psd

which do you think Brown would select


He just needs to tell north i dont have any offers at the price i want and will be entering the PSD at $750k x 4 but happy to stay if you give me this

Perhaps you should do a bit more research on the situation before commenting on various player trade scenarios.

If North put a decent offer to him, he would have signed. As evidenced by his manager, he wants/wanted to stay at North.

North are rebuilding and would like to explore trading senior players for draft picks. Brown is a player with value, therefor is being explored.

Your suggestion ignores these pretty fundamental facts, making it a pretty poor one.

 

[Warwick]

I’ve never understood the logic that a team will offer a better trade package just because they are prepared to sign a player to a higher contract. In many cases it’s almost the opposite - you are either investing trade capital or cap space.

And so called “bidding wars”... There’s no such thing with uncontracted players. As soon as the player in question nominates the club he wants to be traded to, it doesn’t matter how many other trade offers are out there.

 

[THE_GUN]

Perhaps you should do a bit more research on the situation before commenting on various player trade scenarios.

If North put a decent offer to him, he would have signed. As evidenced by his manager, he wants/wanted to stay at North.

North are rebuilding and would like to explore trading senior players for draft picks. Brown is a player with value, therefor is being explored.

Your suggestion ignores these pretty fundamental facts, making it a pretty poor one.

I think you are letting your north bias get in the way of his trade value

You mention in i breat that north dont want to keep him thats why they have not made an offer so letting him become an uncontracted player then you say he has value ?

An uncontracted player who is not being offered a contract by his club , His value drops immensely

 

[Robroy22]

This thread is an interesting read.
I would have thought the reason that NM have told Brown "to find another club" is that they are in full on rebuild mode.
When that is the case, you trade off your assets that are actually worth something of value in exchange for young players or more likely draft picks.
So I don't buy the narrative that North have diminished his value by publicly shopping him around.
The reason NM are trading him is because they believe he is worth something, not because he is worthless.

But I guess the trick is trusting that at least one another club sees it that way as well.
Surely there are a club or 2 that are willing to part with more than a late 2nd round or 3rd round pick to get Ben Brown on their list.

For a Collingwood supporter you're sounding distinctly like a Kanga there

 

[Robroy22]

Interesting that you keep ignoring my question. I’m genuinely curious as to how you think North could have handled the situation differently after Browns manager shared all the details to the media.

No one is offering Brown 750-800k and if they are, North will Trade with them.

They should have just said "We're happy for Ben to explore his options, but we're more than happy to have him at Arden St in 2021."
Instead their coach went with something like "He's NOT part of our plans going forward, his style of play does not suit our future game style"

And ever since that happened, the footy world has known that BB isn't wanted at North (despite it's loyal supporters) and that he'll be somewhere else in 2021, on a much reduced wage and North will have to accept less than they had hoped for in terms of any draft choices for him (if any).

 

[Robroy22]

Perhaps you should do a bit more research on the situation before commenting on various player trade scenarios.

If North put a decent offer to him, he would have signed. As evidenced by his manager, he wants/wanted to stay at North.

North are rebuilding and would like to explore trading senior players for draft picks. Brown is a player with value, therefor is being explored.

Your suggestion ignores these pretty fundamental facts, making it a pretty poor one.

Your "argument" is ... "BUT we WANT this"....when no-one else is listening or needs to listen. The people doing the negotiations KNOW that North don't want BB therefore they will only negotiate with BB and Rama.