Bendigo FL discussion 2024

[Del28562]

The stupidity in this thread is astounding. I have watched and stayed silent for far too long.

- Do you honestly believe that Kangaroo Flat and Eaglehawk are going to allow Maiden Gully to enter the BFNL? Have you thought what that might mean for those clubs?

And even if they did, being in a growth corridor doesn’t mean the club is run correctly. They are a basket case and far from consideration.

- how much more help can be provided to Maryborough? Maryborough themselves are full of nothing but praise for AFL central vics support. There is no magic wand to be waved there I’m sorry.

- we can all agree the standard of the BFNL is at a historic low but to think Calder Lions would be a walk up finals team in the league is plain stupidity and shows a fundamental lack of footy all knowledge, let own the geographic challenges the league would face, bye bye Gisborne.

Pretty sure self interest of clubs isn't a reason to knock a club back. Can't happen in any other form of life. It's like iga castlemaine complaining there's a safeway been built now.

So what happens to maryborough, 10k people and no footy club? Marvellous idea just means a lohmann moves earlier to lake wendouree.

The Calder lions side would be an 8 goal better side than locky when they entered the bfl and they played finals.

Travel and playing footy will need to happen. This thought that the most you travel to play is an hour doesn't exist. I'd think gisborne would rather play echuca Moama or the Calder lions than broadford

 

[beesknees22]

Pretty sure self interest of clubs isn't a reason to knock a club back. Can't happen in any other form of life. It's like iga castlemaine complaining there's a safeway been built now.

So what happens to maryborough, 10k people and no footy club? Marvellous idea just means a lohmann moves earlier to lake wendouree.

The Calder lions side would be an 8 goal better side than locky when they entered the bfl and they played finals.

Travel and playing footy will need to happen. This thought that the most you travel to play is an hour doesn't exist. I'd think gisborne would rather play echuca Moama or the Calder lions than broadford

Exactly.

Roota: explain why demotion/promotion wouldn’t work?

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Exactly.

Roota: explain why demotion/promotion wouldn’t work?

Because we are dealing with football/netball clubs that play at the same venue on the same day.
You can't split netball and have them playing separately from football as they are part of the fabric of a sporting club.

 

[Del28562]

Exactly.

Roota: explain why demotion/promotion wouldn’t work?

And unlike metro clubs you can't have a colbo go play against bfl clubs or a locky it ruins what makes them great, as they are community clubs, with numerous generstions playing at the same club, unlike a city club like golden square

 

[Bakers_Patrons]

The stupidity in this thread is astounding. I have watched and stayed silent for far too long.

- Do you honestly believe that Kangaroo Flat and Eaglehawk are going to allow Maiden Gully to enter the BFNL? Have you thought what that might mean for those clubs?

And even if they did, being in a growth corridor doesn’t mean the club is run correctly. They are a basket case and far from consideration.

- how much more help can be provided to Maryborough? Maryborough themselves are full of nothing but praise for AFL central vics support. There is no magic wand to be waved there I’m sorry.

- we can all agree the standard of the BFNL is at a historic low but to think Calder Lions would be a walk up finals team in the league is plain stupidity and shows a fundamental lack of footy all knowledge, let own the geographic challenges the league would face, bye bye Gisborne.

- MGYCW already exist so the scaremongering raised is not as big an issue as you make out. Observations re club management could be made about Broadford and their league hopping. Haven't they been knocked back by other leagues?

- take your point re Maryborough can you confirm if they've been offered the same points and salary cap carrots as Broadford ?

- Granted the instant flag favourites was a bit of burly and you obliged, however the Calder Lions haven't played a game so you must have intimate knowledge of their list to make that assessment? Kynetons recent change of leagues didn't exactly fly the flag for BFL quality and the NCFL would match the RDFL .

Geography dictates it wouldn't happen so with you their. But could make the same observation for Broadford again.


So my point is Broadford appear to have the trifecta for some of the issues you raised across the 3 clubs above .

• management and historical performance
• need significant assistance to be competitive
• geographical distance challenges

Those clubs were raised in my original post for that exact reason. If you couldn't see the forrest for the trees that's on you.

But you may wish to reconsider your slanderous opening sentence.

 

[NeonLeon81]

- MGYCW already exist so the scaremongering raised is not as big an issue as you make out. Observations re club management could be made about Broadford and their league hopping. Haven't they been knocked back by other leagues?

- take your point re Maryborough can you confirm if they've been offered the same points and salary cap carrots as Broadford ?

- Granted the instant flag favourites was a bit of burly and you obliged, however the Calder Lions haven't played a game so you must have intimate knowledge of their list to make that assessment? Kynetons recent change of leagues didn't exactly fly the flag for BFL quality and the NCFL would match the RDFL .

Geography dictates it wouldn't happen so with you their. But could make the same observation for Broadford again.


So my point is Broadford appear to have the trifecta for some of the issues you raised across the 3 clubs above .

• management and historical performance
• need significant assistance to be competitive
• geographical distance challenges

Those clubs were raised in my original post for that exact reason. If you couldn't see the forrest for the trees that's on you.

But you may wish to reconsider your slanderous opening sentence.

Broadford is not the short or long term answer - their inability to make meaningful progress for the best part of 6 months now is case in point they are not suitable for the BFNL. They are unable to offer something attractive enough to find the appropriate coach now and I believe that sentiment will remain when it comes to recruiting players too.

It reeks of a league clutching at straws which has been well acknowledged in here ad nauseam.

MGYCW is not the short term answer either. It’s not scaremongering, it’s fact the Bendigo based talent pool is stretched thin as it is (which two club having a clear advantage over the others due to their junior programs.) If you want the exisiting competition to thrive and equalise bringing in another team on the doorstep of 3 other teams is not the way to do it.

MGYCW is a laughing stock in one of the states worst leagues even with its fantastic geographic and facility advantages it has to its competition.

Maryborough I believe (could be wrong) has had many options presented to them in the form of support but the fact their coach walked out of the club prior to the end of season due to not being paid would suggest that raising money is a big issue for them. With small gate takings and fatigue from local sponsors this comes as no surprise.

Calder will no doubt be a talented side but there is an uneducated disrespect to the top 5 or 6 teams in the BFNL in here is laughable. Kyneton’s team this year cannot be compared to a top 5 side in the BFNL either. Don’t even get me started on their blaming of everyone else but themselves for their problems.

 

[NeonLeon81]

Pretty sure self interest of clubs isn't a reason to knock a club back. Can't happen in any other form of life. It's like iga castlemaine complaining there's a safeway been built now.

So what happens to maryborough, 10k people and no footy club? Marvellous idea just means a lohmann moves earlier to lake wendouree.

The Calder lions side would be an 8 goal better side than locky when they entered the bfl and they played finals.

Travel and playing footy will need to happen. This thought that the most you travel to play is an hour doesn't exist. I'd think gisborne would rather play echuca Moama or the Calder lions than broadford

I don’t think comparing supermarket monopolies and competition to community sport is a valid argument in this case.

People apply “self interest” in here when it suits their club or agenda, your post itself is a contradiction in itself.

No one wants to see Maryborough fail, they are pivotal to the BFNL as we are now finding out with ludicrous suggestions of teams like Broadford replacing them.

Many reasons for their issues but the main one is that there are too many options close by their talent pool to play in, it is hard for them to retain players and the allure of “major league” is gone.

Travel is part of playing football yes but there is a general rule in community sport that if you’re making volunteers travel more than 2 hours from their home town then you’re going to have trouble attracting volunteers.

 

[Del28562]

Thanks cam for showing the world you read big footy

 

[Shinjuku]

12 of their premiership side have been been part of Pioneer pre seasons at one time or another. Not enough for you?

Doesn't include those that played seniors and are now in the AFL, SANFL or about to be drafted but you keep coming up with these gems.

Name the 12

 

[NeonLeon81]

Thanks cam for showing the world you read big footy

No. Don’t even get me started of “AFL central Victoria” and the damage the commission has done to this region in the last decade.

Pay peanuts get monkeys

 

[Crazymaggy2020]

Broadford is not the short or long term answer - their inability to make meaningful progress for the best part of 6 months now is case in point they are not suitable for the BFNL. They are unable to offer something attractive enough to find the appropriate coach now and I believe that sentiment will remain when it comes to recruiting players too.

It reeks of a league clutching at straws which has been well acknowledged in here ad nauseam.

MGYCW is not the short term answer either. It’s not scaremongering, it’s fact the Bendigo based talent pool is stretched thin as it is (which two club having a clear advantage over the others due to their junior programs.) If you want the exisiting competition to thrive and equalise bringing in another team on the doorstep of 3 other teams is not the way to do it.

MGYCW is a laughing stock in one of the states worst leagues even with its fantastic geographic and facility advantages it has to its competition.

Maryborough I believe (could be wrong) has had many options presented to them in the form of support but the fact their coach walked out of the club prior to the end of season due to not being paid would suggest that raising money is a big issue for them. With small gate takings and fatigue from local sponsors this comes as no surprise.

Calder will no doubt be a talented side but there is an uneducated disrespect to the top 5 or 6 teams in the BFNL in here is laughable. Kyneton’s team this year cannot be compared to a top 5 side in the BFNL either. Don’t even get me started on their blaming of everyone else but themselves for their problems.

Who did kyneton blame for their problems ? From what I read they wanted to protect their club and not become witches hats for the power clubs.


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[NeonLeon81]

Who did kyneton blame for their problems ? From what I read they wanted to protect their club and not become witches hats for the power clubs.


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They blamed the BFNL and power clubs as you call them. No mention in my readings in articles and posts of a decade of poor administration, sub par recruiting and an inability to maintain a consistent list for more than 2 years.

I agree that the power clubs are presented advantages compared to the outer lying clubs but it’s not a reason to throw the toys out of the cot. I think their performance this year is evidence that looking internally before throwing stones externally is a good spot to start.

 

[Del28562]

They blamed the BFNL and power clubs as you call them. No mention in my readings in articles and posts of a decade of poor administration, sub par recruiting and an inability to maintain a consistent list for more than 2 years.

I agree that the power clubs are presented advantages compared to the outer lying clubs but it’s not a reason to throw the toys out of the cot. I think their performance this year is evidence that looking internally before throwing stones externally is a good spot to start.

I think kyentons problem for recruiting was their location. You get guys from Melbourne, they don't want to travel to bendigo long term.

The riddell league isn't a bad league and kyneton lost their best player too.

 

[Mad Jack]

Free tin of Castlemaine Rock

This gem of an idea has slipped through here lads. If this could be a genuine sign on offer, the Maine could sign anyone they want. I’d sign in a heartbeat - albeit with the condition I didn’t have to train or play.

 

[Slammin Sammy Says]

All valid points but I would like to know your thoughts on Broadford as well


Strategic planning for the future relocation of said club above ^^^

Golden Square have $500k to update Wade St

 

[Slammin Sammy Says]

Wade St development

 

[Slammin Sammy Says]

This gem of an idea has slipped through here lads. If this could be a genuine sign on offer, the Maine could sign anyone they want. I’d sign in a heartbeat - albeit with the condition I didn’t have to train or play.

Far superior product to the cheap & tacky imitation "Bendigo Rock"

 

[Arnold Horshack]

Oooooohhhhhhhh!

Have I hurt your feelings Arnie?

Not at all Forest. Winners win and losers whinge.

 

[Arnold Horshack]

What are your thoughts on the Pioneers set up Arnold? You are clearly across the data but would like to know is it good/ bad/indifferent?

I don't think it's working well at all. The top kids will always get drafted but the rest miss out. Don't think the system develops those on the cusp of being draftable to make the leap. Those guys are better off playing senior footy.
Pios are judged on how many get drafted so if 2 or 3 get picked it's a success no matter how many go undeveloped which I think is fundamentally wrong. A hell of a lot are drafted from the private school system anyway. Coates league needs an overhaul.

 

[Arnold Horshack]

Who did kyneton blame for their problems ? From what I read they wanted to protect their club and not become witches hats for the power clubs.


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They blamed everything but the truth - they blew the salary cap apart and still couldn't make finals. Everything else is a cover story.

 

[Test Tickle]

Golden Square have $500k to update Wade St

$500k wont go far.

 

[NeonLeon81]

$500k wont go far.

Just ask Nully and Birchip

 

[Forest St End]

They blamed the BFNL and power clubs as you call them. No mention in my readings in articles and posts of a decade of poor administration, sub par recruiting and an inability to maintain a consistent list for more than 2 years.

I agree that the power clubs are presented advantages compared to the outer lying clubs but it’s not a reason to throw the toys out of the cot. I think their performance this year is evidence that looking internally before throwing stones externally is a good spot to start.

The reality is the two aspects aren’t mutually exclusive.

The woeful administration of the game is an underlying issue and clubs also create their own issues.
There is definitely a symbiotic aspect though because many good people walk away and refuse to be involved after dealing with the AFL CV rubbish and that leaves clubs struggling to fill positions.

In my experience I think every club owns its mistakes and works hard to get better all the time. Not every person willing to take on positions is the right person but sometimes beggars can’t be choosers.

Where I think the commentary becomes unfair is when there is an automatic assumption that being poor on field means you are a badly run club and that success means good culture and failure doesn’t.
That is complete rubbish and I would argue the three battlers over the past 20 years have been as well run as any other clubs in the competition, especially when you factor in the realties they face.

Not at all Forest. Winners win and losers whinge.

A bit like people of intellect apply critical thinking to analyse policy and procedure and identify strengths and weaknesses, and those without, don’t, I guess.

 

[Mad Jack]

They blamed everything but the truth - they blew the salary cap apart and still couldn't make finals. Everything else is a cover story.

They didn’t actually blame anyone from what I read and heard. They were effectively told by the commission they weren’t wanted, and made the smart move to leave - which based on the way the league is going now, seems like a pretty smart decision to me. Sure there has been some below par administration in the past decade at the club which at one point had them struggling, but the turnaround off field has them the envy of many these days.

 

[Slammin Sammy Says]

Both sites are so limited with size given what is around them. No room to expand much at either but Bachuas probably has more.

If I was the cricket club I’d be looking to go there for sure

Next to Backhaus oval is the former Caravan Park site that has sat empty now for 5 or so years.

The caravan park was cleared and one building was built (it looks a bit like a sports pavilion) Anyone know what is planned for this site?

I'd think there would be plenty of space for a proper football oval, cricket nets and two netball courts if Backhaus oval and the old caravan park site were used.