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Bendigo FL discussion 2024

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ROOTA#6 said:
Why follow it then?
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The leagues struggling but the comments would be vastly different from some if their team was winning.
 
boncer34 said:
The leagues struggling but the comments would be vastly different from some if their team was winning.
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Not in my case. I’m perfectly capable of taking off my scarf and viewing the state of the game dispassionately. In fact I would said the arguments the other way are taking more of a club supporter view than a policy analysis.

The player points policy is right here.


The objective vs the reality of the implementation there is impossible to reconcile.
 

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OK.

You are the AFL person responsible for the points system state wide. Let's blow up the current system and start again using the attached as a starting point.

I have made a slight tweak to the 2 and 3 point allocations from the attached.

Club Points
* Base figure of 38 points

* Clubs that have not played finals in three years - 42 pts (reduce by 2 per year after making finals until they return to 38)

* Clubs that have not played finals in five years - 44 pts (reduce by 3 per year after making finals until they return to 38).

* No player point deductions for the first three years at a club.

Player Point Allocation
1 - locals
3 - recruited players
4 - ex state league players (VFL, SANFL, WAFL, etc)
6 - ex AFL

What is not spelled out in the attachment in the reference to loyalty is that a player's points cannot be reduced until they start their fourth season at the same club.

Discuss.
 

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Went to the Castlemaine V Gisborne game yesterday and enjoyed a good game at a picturesque ground. Close game until the end of the third quarter when Gisborne kicked away and continued with it in the last quarter. Took my camcorder with me and recorded the last half. Here's the YouTube link to my video if you're interested. Have a look at the 2:45 minute mark of the video where No. 13 for Castlemaine attempts to take mark of the century. The Gisborne supporters sure liked sounding their cars horns whenever their team kicked a goal!! Enjoy.

 
MortlockWatcher said:
Discuss.
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1. Points are adjusted by ladder position each season, top three lose 3,2,1, middle three hold, bottom three gain 1,2,3.

2. ‘Loyalty’ discount one point after three seasons, additional point after 5.

3. VFL/AFL players hold that points value and receive one point deduction at junior club and are eligible for loyalty discount above.

4. Players who move clubs within league receive two additional points and are eligible for a one point discount after 5 years.

5. Clubs who don’t make finals for 5 years have no points restrictions. Upon making finals they resume points total based on calculations from point one.

The AFL Victoria policy is all about equalisation and they are dead right. Those measures would create it.
Yesterday at three quarter time at the Camp there were no Castlemaine or Gisborne people talking about how the standard had dropped compared to Oliver, Filo, Reaper and Saunders, they were saying how great it is to have a genuine contest on the field and loving the footy. That’s what we need.
 
AllHart said:
Went to the Castlemaine V Gisborne game yesterday and enjoyed a good game at a picturesque ground. Close game until the end of the third quarter when Gisborne kicked away and continued with it in the last quarter. Took my camcorder with me and recorded the last half. Here's the YouTube link to my video if you're interested. Have a look at the 2:45 minute mark of the video where No. 13 for Castlemaine attempts to take mark of the century. The Gisborne supporters sure liked sounding their cars horns whenever their team kicked a goal!! Enjoy.

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Awesome footage, thanks for sharing!
 
MortlockWatcher said:
OK.

You are the AFL person responsible for the points system state wide. Let's blow up the current system and start again using the attached as a starting point.

I have made a slight tweak to the 2 and 3 point allocations from the attached.

Club Points
* Base figure of 38 points

* Clubs that have not played finals in three years - 42 pts (reduce by 2 per year after making finals until they return to 38)

* Clubs that have not played finals in five years - 44 pts (reduce by 3 per year after making finals until they return to 38).

* No player point deductions for the first three years at a club.

Player Point Allocation
1 - locals
3 - recruited players
4 - ex state league players (VFL, SANFL, WAFL, etc)
6 - ex AFL

What is not spelled out in the attachment in the reference to loyalty is that a player's points cannot be reduced until they start their fourth season at the same club.

Discuss.
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I would prefer to use games played as a guide to drop points not by the season. If a player drops a point every 20 games played it stops VFL players coming in, playing 5 games and dropping a point the following year. Same with fly in players only playing the games clubs choose and then dropping a point.
 
Old bomber said:
I would prefer to use games played as a guide to drop points not by the season. If a player drops a point every 20 games played it stops VFL players coming in, playing 5 games and dropping a point the following year. Same with fly in players only playing the games clubs choose and then dropping a point.
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That’s a brilliant point.
 
Why not just have instead of points a minimum amount of 1 point players, so gisborne, square, strath, Eaglehawk and sandy need a minimum 16, 1 point players.
South, flat and castlemaine 12, 1 pointers and Maryborough 8.

You become a 1 point player if you've played juniors or 100 senior games at the club.

Not sure you can be hard on gisborne, the blake name is revered at castlemaine. Yet you pay jetta with no alliance to the club, good money for a 1 off game. Treating locals not great has been happening at maine for a long time, many fringe players left when they were a power side, I remember Hughesy kicking 5 against us and 2 weeks later he was dropped.
 
Forest St End said:
One of them left Sandhurst, must be culture issues there as well I suppose.



You would have to be an AFL CV employee.

No one could argue that situation is anything other than the antithesis of the intention of the points system.

It is a perfect example of an abject failure of policy and it’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
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Couldnt be further from the truth re who I am. Ps Sandhurst not whinging you are yet again.
 
Crazymaggy2020 said:
Ha ha definitely some AFLVIC staff on here this morning trying to defend the indefensible

Another round next week of a dogshit comp continues


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Hear on the radio there is a circus in Castlemaine. Surely if you need a new direction in life take your face paint or a shovel down there and you will be made most welcome.
 
Trent the flight Steward said:
Why not just have instead of points a minimum amount of 1 point players, so gisborne, square, strath, Eaglehawk and sandy need a minimum 16, 1 point players.
South, flat and castlemaine 12, 1 pointers and Maryborough 8.

You become a 1 point player if you've played juniors or 100 senior games at the club.

Not sure you can be hard on gisborne, the blake name is revered at castlemaine. Yet you pay jetta with no alliance to the club, good money for a 1 off game. Treating locals not great has been happening at maine for a long time, many fringe players left when they were a power side, I remember Hughesy kicking 5 against us and 2 weeks later he was dropped.
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Yep anyone else who pays an ex AFL player or a decent player to play is paying over the salary cap.
 

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Trent the flight Steward said:
Why not just have instead of points a minimum amount of 1 point players, so gisborne, square, strath, Eaglehawk and sandy need a minimum 16, 1 point players.
South, flat and castlemaine 12, 1 pointers and Maryborough 8.

You become a 1 point player if you've played juniors or 100 senior games at the club.

Not sure you can be hard on gisborne, the blake name is revered at castlemaine. Yet you pay jetta with no alliance to the club, good money for a 1 off game. Treating locals not great has been happening at maine for a long time, many fringe players left when they were a power side, I remember Hughesy kicking 5 against us and 2 weeks later he was dropped.
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I guess that’s effectively what a good points system would force you to do, maybe 16 is a few too many though.

I like the 100 games criteria, I think we can all agree it is ridiculously easy for a bloke who has changed four times to three different clubs to be a one point player for example.

The rest of that isn’t your best work and I’m not going to engage.

fatkidinthepocket said:
Yep anyone else who pays an ex AFL player or a decent player to play is paying over the salary cap.
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One I reckon you can pencil in is the Bendigo league will rebound hard on the cap next year. A lot of clubs saving this year and will have nice full kitties to spend.

From the outside it would seem to me Castlemaine is having a bumper year financially, with the Carlton Draught day still to come, so I’m tipping Hartley’s second year will be a bumper recruiting one. All under the cap of course. 😉
 
fatkidinthepocket said:
Hear on the radio there is a circus in Castlemaine. Surely if you need a new direction in life take your face paint or a shovel down there and you will be made most welcome.
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Circus is also in bendigo - maybe they could just go upstairs at AFLCV hq and charge $10 to see a real circus unfold. Is everyone on the edge of their seat for next weeks results to unfold #theywerewarned


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Looking at the Addy article, Maryborough have had 20 players yesterday including three under 18s, and a couple more went down injured during the game.

I think headquarters will have to have a real think about what happens after next week, you can’t have the competition being compromised if forfeits start coming.
 
Trent the flight Steward said:
Didn't he leave sandhurst to play for he's "home club" castlemaine, didn't he play at sandhurst from schooling and switching over for pios? Also won a flag at slags didn't he?
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Played 2 years at Sandhurst after leaving Castlemaine under instruction from the Pioneers as part of the cartel operation. My point is, not every player changes clubs due to culture reasons.
 
Mad Jack said:
Played 2 years at Sandhurst after leaving Castlemaine under instruction from the Pioneers as part of the cartel operation. My point is, not every player changes clubs due to culture reasons.
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You’ve just got to build from the ground up, put time and resources into creating good junior footballers.

Of course the really good ones will be pinched by Bendigo clubs because Pioneers and the other good ones will be pinched by rival clubs who can promise more success in the short term because the points system allows them to. Don’t whinge about that though just get on with building up your juniors.
 
I have recently moved to the Bendigo area and find it quite sad that there are a lot of clubs around the district that can't field junior sides yet other clubs in town have so many numbers that they field more than one team. In a perfect world every club would be limited to one side per age group and then the players would filter out into the district clubs. But we are not in a perfect world and I can see that if that happened then the participation levels would drop because who could be bothered driving little Timmy and Tommy an extra half hour to play a game out at Bridgewater or Newbridge or Colbo. This is one of the main reasons country footy is dying because there is no local connection therefore clubs need to pay more to get players in when they are older and then a vicious cycle begins
 
CollarBlind said:
I have recently moved to the Bendigo area and find it quite sad that there are a lot of clubs around the district that can't field junior sides yet other clubs in town have so many numbers that they field more than one team. In a perfect world every club would be limited to one side per age group and then the players would filter out into the district clubs. But we are not in a perfect world and I can see that if that happened then the participation levels would drop because who could be bothered driving little Timmy and Tommy an extra half hour to play a game out at Bridgewater or Newbridge or Colbo. This is one of the main reasons country footy is dying because there is no local connection therefore clubs need to pay more to get players in when they are older and then a vicious cycle begins
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They don’t filter out to other clubs though. If they don’t have a connection to a club or have friends there they just don’t play
 
ROOTA#6 said:
They don’t filter out to other clubs though. If they don’t have a connection to a club or have friends there they just don’t play
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I don't disagree, that is why I said in a perfect world they would filter out but because it's not the participation rates would drop. There are so many things for young (and older) people to do these days that it creates a very different landscape than yesteryear. Nothing wrong with it but unfortunately that is one of a few reasons that will lead to the extinction of a lot of clubs and a few leagues over the next decade. That has happened many times before so it is nothing new but I would still like to see some sort of plan from this new council to see what they have in mind for football in the region
 
The AFL will make all the decisions - this council will just get the blame if it backfires - instead of going to local VAFA games and drinking red wine Greg MADIGAN should be at Maryborough VS Strath this weekend witnessing the issues he is doing nothing about.

Nicholas Rolfe has walked away and let this explode on purpose and look at what’s happening !


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