Bendigo FL discussion 2024

[rkjc22]

Is there a head of the council?

 

[boncer34]

Is there a head of the council?

Hope it's a mayor.

 

[Downtroden]

Seriously wouldnt the head of every AFL hub and possibly every league president have a quick look on a daily or at least weekly basis to get the general idea of what people think of their leagues. Everyone here expresses an opinion or has a rumour which is occasionly correct. If for example Ms McInstry had an occasional look here she would have some idea that people perhaps think her and her board arent up with what is happening out there.

Pardon my ignorance, but i didn't think AFL hubs existed anymore ?

 

[BGOFootyNuff]

Apologies for the long post. This is an article in today’s Bendigo Addy with Peter Coles ideas. I actually like it seems smart to me.​

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It's time to shake up football's player points and salary cap systems: Cole​

By Luke West
Updated June 26 2024 - 2:48PM, first published2:15PM
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AFL Victoria's player points and salary cap systems have been part of the local football landscape since 2016. Picture by Enzo Tomasiello
FORMER Heathcote District league chairman Peter Cole is advocating for AFL Central Victoria to consider changes to its player points and salary caps in an attempt to lessen the gap between top and bottom teams.
Player points and salary caps have been a part of the community football landscape since they were introduced state-wide by AFL Victoria in 2016.
Introduced under the banner of AFL Victoria's Community Club Sustainability Program, it was brought into "assist in the equalisation of competitions, stop the inflationary nature of player payments by discouraging movement of players and promote player loyalty and junior development."
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From a Bendigo, Heathcote District and Loddon Valley league perspective, the system has largely remained unchanged throughout apart from a gradual lowering of the salary cap and either a reduction or addition of a club's player points allocation at the end of a season dependent on how they are performing at the time.
However, Cole believes a tiered approach to salary caps and more differential in the player point allocations for clubs should be considered as part of what he calls his "Game Equalisation Model".
Key points of Cole's Game Equalisation Model are based around player point reductions for clubs that play in consecutive grand finals, player point additions for clubs that finish in the bottom two in consecutive years and rather than a one-size fits all salary cap for each club in a league, base the salary caps on their differing point allocations.

Former HDFNL chairman Peter Cole is advocating for change to the player points and salary cap system in an attempt to lessen the gap between top and bottom football teams in leagues.

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The premise of the tiered salary cap system is it provides struggling teams - many of which have to pay "overs" to attract recruits - additional salary cap to utilise what would also be extra points in comparison to a team that has regularly been towards the pointy end of the ladder.
Could this be what Central Vic footy looks like in a relegation shake-up?
Under Cole's Game Equalisation Model

• If a club has played in two consecutive grand finals, they receive a four-point reduction after the second grand final. The maximum a club could lose is eight points (which they would after playing in a third-straight grand final);
• A club which has lost eight points based on grand final appearances begins to get two points back for each year it misses the finals until it reaches its original allocation;

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• If a club is in the bottom two for consecutive years they automatically receive an additional four points. A club will begin to have those four points reduced once it reaches the finals. Essentially, if you begin stripping points back off struggling teams too early they run the risk of quickly dropping back to where they have come from.
• The tiered salary cap is aligned to a club's player points allocation. To use the Bendigo league as an example, this year's salary cap is $125,000 and the average player points for each team across the competition is 42.6 (allocations range from 40 to 46).

BFNL: Great team play from Kangaroo Flat leads to a Luke Stagg goal v Sandhurst, rd 10, 2024
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Cole's suggestion divides $125,000 by 42.6, which equals $2934 per point. That $2.93 would then be multiplied by a club's player points allocation to determine their salary cap.
* Cole also believes that the number of under-18 games a player needs to have played with a club to be a senior one-pointer as opposed to a three-pointer should be reduced from 40 to 20 games.
"I think there needs to be a greater capacity under the player points and salary cap system for the clubs that have been struggling for a period of time to be able to close the gap to those that have been successful," said Cole, who previously served as the HDFNL chairman for six seasons.

BFNL: Matt Johnston's three goals for Maryborough v Castlemaine, rd 10, 2024
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"What I'm proposing is to create some discussion points for consideration on how we can use the player points and salary cap systems to try to create a greater sense of equality among our leagues in terms of more competitive games and capacity for lower teams close to improve.
"The player points and salary cap has been in since 2016 and it's clear to see in the Bendigo and Loddon Valley leagues in particular the average margins in games has gone up significantly over the eight years, which I believe warrants some discussion for change.
"I do want to make it clear that what I have proposed is purely a discussion point to create some conversations between leagues, clubs and AFL Victoria."

I do want to make it clear that what I have proposed is purely a discussion point to create some conversations between leagues, clubs and AFL Victoria
- Peter Cole

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Since the introduction of AFL Victoria's Community Club Sustainability Program in 2016, the average margin in the BFNL has grown from 60.4 points in 2016 to what is currently 81.3 points through 10 rounds of this season.
The BFNL has also had a strong sense of predictability to it, with 32 of the 36 senior finals played since 2016 having been won by either Strathfieldsaye (9), Eaglehawk (9), Golden Square (8) and Sandhurst (6).
Neither Kangaroo Flat, Castlemaine or Maryborough have played finals since the introduction of the system.
In the Loddon Valley league the average margin in games has increased from 51.4 points in 2016 to what currently this year is 80.1 points through 11 rounds, while all teams apart from Inglewood have won at least two finals.

BFNL: Kyen Burrill-Grinton kicks his first goal in senior footy for Eaglehawk v Golden Square, rd 10, 2024
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In contrast, since the system was introduced the average margin in Heathcote District league games has considerably dropped from 69.5 points in 2016 to as low as 42.8 last year and is currently 53.1 points this season, and all teams apart from Elmore have won a final.
So what would Cole's Game Equalisation Model look like if it was applied for 2025 using this year's player points allocations and league salary caps, as well as utilising the current ladders as team's finishing positions:
BENDIGO LEAGUE:
2024 salary cap - $125,000.
2024 average player points per club -42.6.
2024 player point allocations -Castlemaine (46), Eaglehawk (43), Gisborne (40), Golden Square (40), Kangaroo Flat (46), Maryborough (46), Sandhurst (40), South Bendigo (43), Strathfieldsaye (40).
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2025 player point allocations and salary caps - Castlemaine (46 pts, $134,976), Eaglehawk (43 pts, $126,173), Gisborne (40 pts, $117,370), Golden Square (40 pts, $117,370), Kangaroo Flat (46 pts, $134,976), Maryborough (50 pts, $146,713), Sandhurst (36 pts, $105,633), South Bendigo (43 pts, $126,173), Strathfieldsaye (40 pts, $117,370).
Maryborough (currently last) receive additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two; Sandhurst (currently top) loses four points for consecutive grand finals.

HEATHCOTE DISTRICT:
2024 salary cap - $106,600.
Poll Question · 1 Day Left

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YesNo
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2024 average player points per club -43.7.
2024 player point allocations - Elmore (46), Heathcote (44), Huntly (46), Leitchville-Gunbower (44), LBU (44), Mount Pleasant (42), North Bendigo (42), White Hills (42).
2025 player point allocations and salary caps - Elmore (50 pts, $121,500), Heathcote (44 pts, $106,920), Huntly (46 pts, $111,780), Leitchville-Gunbower (44 pts, $106,920), LBU (44 pts, $106,920), Mount Pleasant (42 pts, $102,060), North Bendigo (42 pts, $102,060), White Hills (42 pts, $102,060).
Elmore (currently last) receives additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two.

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LODDON VALLEY LEAGUE
2024 salary cap - $106,600.
2024 average player points per club -45.3.
2024 player point allocations - BL-Serpentine (46), Bridgewater (46), Calivil United (46), Inglewood (46), Maiden Gully YCW (46), Marong (40), Mitiamo (46), Newbridge (46), Pyramid Hill (46).
2025 player point allocations and salary caps - BL-Serpentine (46 pts, $108,100), Bridgewater (46 pts, $108,100), Calivil United (46 pts, ($108,100), Inglewood (46 pts, $108,100), Maiden Gully YCW (50 pts ($117,500), Marong (32 pts, $75,200), Mitiamo (46 pts, $108,100), Newbridge (46 pts, $108,100), Pyramid Hill (46 pts, $108,100).
Marong (currently 1st) loses eight points for three-consecutive grand finals; Maiden Gully YCW (currently second-last) receives additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two.

 

[Crazymaggy2020]

Apologies for the long post. This is an article in today’s Bendigo Addy with Peter Coles ideas. I actually like it seems smart to me.​

​

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It's time to shake up football's player points and salary cap systems: Cole​

By Luke West
Updated June 26 2024 - 2:48PM, first published2:15PM
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AFL Victoria's player points and salary cap systems have been part of the local football landscape since 2016. Picture by Enzo Tomasiello
FORMER Heathcote District league chairman Peter Cole is advocating for AFL Central Victoria to consider changes to its player points and salary caps in an attempt to lessen the gap between top and bottom teams.
Player points and salary caps have been a part of the community football landscape since they were introduced state-wide by AFL Victoria in 2016.
Introduced under the banner of AFL Victoria's Community Club Sustainability Program, it was brought into "assist in the equalisation of competitions, stop the inflationary nature of player payments by discouraging movement of players and promote player loyalty and junior development."
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From a Bendigo, Heathcote District and Loddon Valley league perspective, the system has largely remained unchanged throughout apart from a gradual lowering of the salary cap and either a reduction or addition of a club's player points allocation at the end of a season dependent on how they are performing at the time.
However, Cole believes a tiered approach to salary caps and more differential in the player point allocations for clubs should be considered as part of what he calls his "Game Equalisation Model".
Key points of Cole's Game Equalisation Model are based around player point reductions for clubs that play in consecutive grand finals, player point additions for clubs that finish in the bottom two in consecutive years and rather than a one-size fits all salary cap for each club in a league, base the salary caps on their differing point allocations.

Former HDFNL chairman Peter Cole is advocating for change to the player points and salary cap system in an attempt to lessen the gap between top and bottom football teams in leagues.

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The premise of the tiered salary cap system is it provides struggling teams - many of which have to pay "overs" to attract recruits - additional salary cap to utilise what would also be extra points in comparison to a team that has regularly been towards the pointy end of the ladder.
Could this be what Central Vic footy looks like in a relegation shake-up?
Under Cole's Game Equalisation Model

• If a club has played in two consecutive grand finals, they receive a four-point reduction after the second grand final. The maximum a club could lose is eight points (which they would after playing in a third-straight grand final);
• A club which has lost eight points based on grand final appearances begins to get two points back for each year it misses the finals until it reaches its original allocation;

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• If a club is in the bottom two for consecutive years they automatically receive an additional four points. A club will begin to have those four points reduced once it reaches the finals. Essentially, if you begin stripping points back off struggling teams too early they run the risk of quickly dropping back to where they have come from.
• The tiered salary cap is aligned to a club's player points allocation. To use the Bendigo league as an example, this year's salary cap is $125,000 and the average player points for each team across the competition is 42.6 (allocations range from 40 to 46).

BFNL: Great team play from Kangaroo Flat leads to a Luke Stagg goal v Sandhurst, rd 10, 2024
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Cole's suggestion divides $125,000 by 42.6, which equals $2934 per point. That $2.93 would then be multiplied by a club's player points allocation to determine their salary cap.
* Cole also believes that the number of under-18 games a player needs to have played with a club to be a senior one-pointer as opposed to a three-pointer should be reduced from 40 to 20 games.
"I think there needs to be a greater capacity under the player points and salary cap system for the clubs that have been struggling for a period of time to be able to close the gap to those that have been successful," said Cole, who previously served as the HDFNL chairman for six seasons.

BFNL: Matt Johnston's three goals for Maryborough v Castlemaine, rd 10, 2024
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"What I'm proposing is to create some discussion points for consideration on how we can use the player points and salary cap systems to try to create a greater sense of equality among our leagues in terms of more competitive games and capacity for lower teams close to improve.
"The player points and salary cap has been in since 2016 and it's clear to see in the Bendigo and Loddon Valley leagues in particular the average margins in games has gone up significantly over the eight years, which I believe warrants some discussion for change.
"I do want to make it clear that what I have proposed is purely a discussion point to create some conversations between leagues, clubs and AFL Victoria."

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Since the introduction of AFL Victoria's Community Club Sustainability Program in 2016, the average margin in the BFNL has grown from 60.4 points in 2016 to what is currently 81.3 points through 10 rounds of this season.
The BFNL has also had a strong sense of predictability to it, with 32 of the 36 senior finals played since 2016 having been won by either Strathfieldsaye (9), Eaglehawk (9), Golden Square (8) and Sandhurst (6).
Neither Kangaroo Flat, Castlemaine or Maryborough have played finals since the introduction of the system.
In the Loddon Valley league the average margin in games has increased from 51.4 points in 2016 to what currently this year is 80.1 points through 11 rounds, while all teams apart from Inglewood have won at least two finals.

BFNL: Kyen Burrill-Grinton kicks his first goal in senior footy for Eaglehawk v Golden Square, rd 10, 2024
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In contrast, since the system was introduced the average margin in Heathcote District league games has considerably dropped from 69.5 points in 2016 to as low as 42.8 last year and is currently 53.1 points this season, and all teams apart from Elmore have won a final.
So what would Cole's Game Equalisation Model look like if it was applied for 2025 using this year's player points allocations and league salary caps, as well as utilising the current ladders as team's finishing positions:
BENDIGO LEAGUE:
2024 salary cap - $125,000.
2024 average player points per club -42.6.
2024 player point allocations -Castlemaine (46), Eaglehawk (43), Gisborne (40), Golden Square (40), Kangaroo Flat (46), Maryborough (46), Sandhurst (40), South Bendigo (43), Strathfieldsaye (40).
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2025 player point allocations and salary caps - Castlemaine (46 pts, $134,976), Eaglehawk (43 pts, $126,173), Gisborne (40 pts, $117,370), Golden Square (40 pts, $117,370), Kangaroo Flat (46 pts, $134,976), Maryborough (50 pts, $146,713), Sandhurst (36 pts, $105,633), South Bendigo (43 pts, $126,173), Strathfieldsaye (40 pts, $117,370).
Maryborough (currently last) receive additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two; Sandhurst (currently top) loses four points for consecutive grand finals.

HEATHCOTE DISTRICT:
2024 salary cap - $106,600.
Poll Question · 1 Day Left

Do you believe this proposal has merit?
YesNo
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2024 average player points per club -43.7.
2024 player point allocations - Elmore (46), Heathcote (44), Huntly (46), Leitchville-Gunbower (44), LBU (44), Mount Pleasant (42), North Bendigo (42), White Hills (42).
2025 player point allocations and salary caps - Elmore (50 pts, $121,500), Heathcote (44 pts, $106,920), Huntly (46 pts, $111,780), Leitchville-Gunbower (44 pts, $106,920), LBU (44 pts, $106,920), Mount Pleasant (42 pts, $102,060), North Bendigo (42 pts, $102,060), White Hills (42 pts, $102,060).
Elmore (currently last) receives additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two.

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LODDON VALLEY LEAGUE
2024 salary cap - $106,600.
2024 average player points per club -45.3.
2024 player point allocations - BL-Serpentine (46), Bridgewater (46), Calivil United (46), Inglewood (46), Maiden Gully YCW (46), Marong (40), Mitiamo (46), Newbridge (46), Pyramid Hill (46).
2025 player point allocations and salary caps - BL-Serpentine (46 pts, $108,100), Bridgewater (46 pts, $108,100), Calivil United (46 pts, ($108,100), Inglewood (46 pts, $108,100), Maiden Gully YCW (50 pts ($117,500), Marong (32 pts, $75,200), Mitiamo (46 pts, $108,100), Newbridge (46 pts, $108,100), Pyramid Hill (46 pts, $108,100).
Marong (currently 1st) loses eight points for three-consecutive grand finals; Maiden Gully YCW (currently second-last) receives additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two.

He’s a smart man - a realist without hidden agendas

Well done Coley


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[Forest St End]

It's going again...

Not for long, announced today the prison is closing.

On Pete Cole’s stuff I like some and don’t like some but that’s not the point, it’s exactly what is needed, a contest of ideas.

The obvious question is what does it say about the staff at the hub when they can’t see that.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Not for long, announced today the prison is closing.

On Pete Cole’s stuff I like some and don’t like some but that’s not the point, it’s exactly what is needed, a contest of ideas.

The obvious question is what does it say about the staff at the hub when they can’t see that.

Which prison?

 

[Grimmett]

Which prison?

Dhurringile

 

[ROOTA#6]

Dhurringile

Yeah just heard it. I’d only heard about Port Phillip. Will be a big hit to the region losing such a big employer and customer for so many suppliers etc

 

[Truck]

Apologies for the long post. This is an article in today’s Bendigo Addy with Peter Coles ideas. I actually like it seems smart to me.​

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It's time to shake up football's player points and salary cap systems: Cole​

By Luke West
Updated June 26 2024 - 2:48PM, first published2:15PM
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AFL Victoria's player points and salary cap systems have been part of the local football landscape since 2016. Picture by Enzo Tomasiello
FORMER Heathcote District league chairman Peter Cole is advocating for AFL Central Victoria to consider changes to its player points and salary caps in an attempt to lessen the gap between top and bottom teams.
Player points and salary caps have been a part of the community football landscape since they were introduced state-wide by AFL Victoria in 2016.
Introduced under the banner of AFL Victoria's Community Club Sustainability Program, it was brought into "assist in the equalisation of competitions, stop the inflationary nature of player payments by discouraging movement of players and promote player loyalty and junior development."
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From a Bendigo, Heathcote District and Loddon Valley league perspective, the system has largely remained unchanged throughout apart from a gradual lowering of the salary cap and either a reduction or addition of a club's player points allocation at the end of a season dependent on how they are performing at the time.
However, Cole believes a tiered approach to salary caps and more differential in the player point allocations for clubs should be considered as part of what he calls his "Game Equalisation Model".
Key points of Cole's Game Equalisation Model are based around player point reductions for clubs that play in consecutive grand finals, player point additions for clubs that finish in the bottom two in consecutive years and rather than a one-size fits all salary cap for each club in a league, base the salary caps on their differing point allocations.

Former HDFNL chairman Peter Cole is advocating for change to the player points and salary cap system in an attempt to lessen the gap between top and bottom football teams in leagues.

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The premise of the tiered salary cap system is it provides struggling teams - many of which have to pay "overs" to attract recruits - additional salary cap to utilise what would also be extra points in comparison to a team that has regularly been towards the pointy end of the ladder.
Could this be what Central Vic footy looks like in a relegation shake-up?
Under Cole's Game Equalisation Model

• If a club has played in two consecutive grand finals, they receive a four-point reduction after the second grand final. The maximum a club could lose is eight points (which they would after playing in a third-straight grand final);
• A club which has lost eight points based on grand final appearances begins to get two points back for each year it misses the finals until it reaches its original allocation;

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• If a club is in the bottom two for consecutive years they automatically receive an additional four points. A club will begin to have those four points reduced once it reaches the finals. Essentially, if you begin stripping points back off struggling teams too early they run the risk of quickly dropping back to where they have come from.
• The tiered salary cap is aligned to a club's player points allocation. To use the Bendigo league as an example, this year's salary cap is $125,000 and the average player points for each team across the competition is 42.6 (allocations range from 40 to 46).

BFNL: Great team play from Kangaroo Flat leads to a Luke Stagg goal v Sandhurst, rd 10, 2024
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Cole's suggestion divides $125,000 by 42.6, which equals $2934 per point. That $2.93 would then be multiplied by a club's player points allocation to determine their salary cap.
* Cole also believes that the number of under-18 games a player needs to have played with a club to be a senior one-pointer as opposed to a three-pointer should be reduced from 40 to 20 games.
"I think there needs to be a greater capacity under the player points and salary cap system for the clubs that have been struggling for a period of time to be able to close the gap to those that have been successful," said Cole, who previously served as the HDFNL chairman for six seasons.

BFNL: Matt Johnston's three goals for Maryborough v Castlemaine, rd 10, 2024
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"What I'm proposing is to create some discussion points for consideration on how we can use the player points and salary cap systems to try to create a greater sense of equality among our leagues in terms of more competitive games and capacity for lower teams close to improve.
"The player points and salary cap has been in since 2016 and it's clear to see in the Bendigo and Loddon Valley leagues in particular the average margins in games has gone up significantly over the eight years, which I believe warrants some discussion for change.
"I do want to make it clear that what I have proposed is purely a discussion point to create some conversations between leagues, clubs and AFL Victoria."

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Since the introduction of AFL Victoria's Community Club Sustainability Program in 2016, the average margin in the BFNL has grown from 60.4 points in 2016 to what is currently 81.3 points through 10 rounds of this season.
The BFNL has also had a strong sense of predictability to it, with 32 of the 36 senior finals played since 2016 having been won by either Strathfieldsaye (9), Eaglehawk (9), Golden Square (8) and Sandhurst (6).
Neither Kangaroo Flat, Castlemaine or Maryborough have played finals since the introduction of the system.
In the Loddon Valley league the average margin in games has increased from 51.4 points in 2016 to what currently this year is 80.1 points through 11 rounds, while all teams apart from Inglewood have won at least two finals.

BFNL: Kyen Burrill-Grinton kicks his first goal in senior footy for Eaglehawk v Golden Square, rd 10, 2024
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In contrast, since the system was introduced the average margin in Heathcote District league games has considerably dropped from 69.5 points in 2016 to as low as 42.8 last year and is currently 53.1 points this season, and all teams apart from Elmore have won a final.
So what would Cole's Game Equalisation Model look like if it was applied for 2025 using this year's player points allocations and league salary caps, as well as utilising the current ladders as team's finishing positions:
BENDIGO LEAGUE:
2024 salary cap - $125,000.
2024 average player points per club -42.6.
2024 player point allocations -Castlemaine (46), Eaglehawk (43), Gisborne (40), Golden Square (40), Kangaroo Flat (46), Maryborough (46), Sandhurst (40), South Bendigo (43), Strathfieldsaye (40).
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2025 player point allocations and salary caps - Castlemaine (46 pts, $134,976), Eaglehawk (43 pts, $126,173), Gisborne (40 pts, $117,370), Golden Square (40 pts, $117,370), Kangaroo Flat (46 pts, $134,976), Maryborough (50 pts, $146,713), Sandhurst (36 pts, $105,633), South Bendigo (43 pts, $126,173), Strathfieldsaye (40 pts, $117,370).
Maryborough (currently last) receive additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two; Sandhurst (currently top) loses four points for consecutive grand finals.

HEATHCOTE DISTRICT:
2024 salary cap - $106,600.
Poll Question · 1 Day Left

Do you believe this proposal has merit?
YesNo
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2024 average player points per club -43.7.
2024 player point allocations - Elmore (46), Heathcote (44), Huntly (46), Leitchville-Gunbower (44), LBU (44), Mount Pleasant (42), North Bendigo (42), White Hills (42).
2025 player point allocations and salary caps - Elmore (50 pts, $121,500), Heathcote (44 pts, $106,920), Huntly (46 pts, $111,780), Leitchville-Gunbower (44 pts, $106,920), LBU (44 pts, $106,920), Mount Pleasant (42 pts, $102,060), North Bendigo (42 pts, $102,060), White Hills (42 pts, $102,060).
Elmore (currently last) receives additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two.

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LODDON VALLEY LEAGUE
2024 salary cap - $106,600.
2024 average player points per club -45.3.
2024 player point allocations - BL-Serpentine (46), Bridgewater (46), Calivil United (46), Inglewood (46), Maiden Gully YCW (46), Marong (40), Mitiamo (46), Newbridge (46), Pyramid Hill (46).
2025 player point allocations and salary caps - BL-Serpentine (46 pts, $108,100), Bridgewater (46 pts, $108,100), Calivil United (46 pts, ($108,100), Inglewood (46 pts, $108,100), Maiden Gully YCW (50 pts ($117,500), Marong (32 pts, $75,200), Mitiamo (46 pts, $108,100), Newbridge (46 pts, $108,100), Pyramid Hill (46 pts, $108,100).
Marong (currently 1st) loses eight points for three-consecutive grand finals; Maiden Gully YCW (currently second-last) receives additional four points for consecutive finishes in bottom two.

Some good ideas in here and definitely things need to be considered.
I would scrap the salary cap. Purely for the work it has created for volunteers, and it is obviously easily manipulated and hard to police.

I was looking at this a few weeks ago
for the NCFL on point allocation which follows Coles model a little.
And make the point allocation more robust. You don’t have to look far to find inconsistency in the point allocation.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Some good ideas in here and definitely things need to be considered.
I would scrap the salary cap. Purely for the work it has created for volunteers, and it is obviously easily manipulated and hard to police.

I was looking at this a few weeks ago
for the NCFL on point allocation which follows Coles model a little.
And make the point allocation more robust. You don’t have to look far to find inconsistency in the point allocation.

Yep good points truck and by Cole. It needs to be introduced state wide though. Include the ammos too. If you tier it across the state, it pushes more footballers to more clubs and clubs in the city might invest in their juniors

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

So who's leaving the league today?

 

[Forest St End]

So who's leaving the league today?

Who’s staying?

 

[Truck]

Yep good points truck and by Cole. It needs to be introduced state wide though. Include the ammos too. If you tier it across the state, it pushes more footballers to more clubs and clubs in the city might invest in their juniors

One region needs to be brave enough to try it first. If that is this region and the likes of a Castlemaine/Flat start to see some success, the conversation will no doubt start in other areas by clubs in similar positions. By success I mean making finals and challenging the good sides.

Other brain farts I have had this week:
Recruits don't drop a point after a year of service, but drop 2 after 2 years of service. -1 each year of service after that.
Players need to play at least 8-10 games each year to lose points, Finals don't count.
Transferring within the league gain a +2, if that player is under 20 its an additional +1
There are no point exemptions/ deductions, just years of service to that club. none of this "moved for work", "has had a few years off and getting back into footy" crap.

 

[Made4September]

One region needs to be brave enough to try it first. If that is this region and the likes of a Castlemaine/Flat start to see some success, the conversation will no doubt start in other areas by clubs in similar positions. By success I mean making finals and challenging the good sides.

Other brain farts I have had this week:
Recruits don't drop a point after a year of service, but drop 2 after 2 years of service. -1 each year of service after that.
Players need to play at least 8-10 games each year to lose points, Finals don't count.
Transferring within the league gain a +2, if that player is under 20 its an additional +1
There are no point exemptions/ deductions, just years of service to that club. none of this "moved for work", "has had a few years off and getting back into footy" crap.

there is already an inbuilt part of the system that caters for having a few years off, no need for additional points taken off on top of that.

they either meet the threshold for having NOT played in three years, or they don’t

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Other brain farts I have had this week:
Recruits don't drop a point after a year of service, but drop 2 after 2 years of service. -1 each year of service after that.
Players need to play at least 8-10 games each year to lose points, Finals don't count.
Transferring within the league gain a +2, if that player is under 20 its an additional +1
There are no point exemptions/ deductions, just years of service to that club. none of this "moved for work", "has had a few years off and getting back into footy" crap.

AFL Victoria will dismiss these ideas on the grounds of them being logical.

 

[Bakers_Patrons]

I think the change needs to come from AFL VIC first.

Macro Level Changes
- No salary cap, its a restraint of trade and penalises clubs who have set their future up

- if the cap remains there will clubs in the district leagues that will not be able to fill reserves because of population decline

- Money saved on investigators, regulartors would be probably close to $1-2mil per year, put the first year savings into paying for a data based approach to points system that maintains the most number of clubs for the most number of years as possible

- Year on year savings could be spent on infastructure, clinics, safety


- Each league in the state needs to be set a max points for the worst performing team by AFL VIC. Ie BFL say Maryborough on 40, LVFL Maiden Gully 48 etc etc. Premier VAFA 38, EDFL 38 etc
- Larger centres and teams with access to juniors should be really tightend here
- Hubs then have the ablity to tweak within the league the mirco impact
- AFL VIC max points decision based on 21 players per team, to spread pool of players. If leagues want to increase the team size to 22 that is their decision but it comes with no extra points allocation
- No ability to apply for player points deductions, rules are the rules, (or if not then HUB stands by their deductions by disclosing these weekly as the decisions are made)
- At present AFL CV have made deduction decisions that have been inconsistent at best, at worst theyve made some howlers.


Points Changes

• Player reaches veterans age say 38, should be a 1 pointer anywhere. Keeping people fit, and those putting body and time into playing the game we love should have a bit more freedom as they age
• Agree with Truck 2 years of service before a deduction for a recruit, cant have a situation where a club loses 8 players then can recruit enough to be back in contention the following year
• Not sure I agree with Truck re minimum 8 games to count as a year of service, that's a high watermark especially if a player gets injured and there is not Hub discretion

 

[Old bomber]

I think the change needs to come from AFL VIC first.

Macro Level Changes
- No salary cap, its a restraint of trade and penalises clubs who have set their future up

- if the cap remains there will clubs in the district leagues that will not be able to fill reserves because of population decline

- Money saved on investigators, regulartors would be probably close to $1-2mil per year, put the first year savings into paying for a data based approach to points system that maintains the most number of clubs for the most number of years as possible

- Year on year savings could be spent on infastructure, clinics, safety


- Each league in the state needs to be set a max points for the worst performing team by AFL VIC. Ie BFL say Maryborough on 40, LVFL Maiden Gully 48 etc etc. Premier VAFA 38, EDFL 38 etc
- Larger centres and teams with access to juniors should be really tightend here
- Hubs then have the ablity to tweak within the league the mirco impact
- AFL VIC max points decision based on 21 players per team, to spread pool of players. If leagues want to increase the team size to 22 that is their decision but it comes with no extra points allocation
- No ability to apply for player points deductions, rules are the rules, (or if not then HUB stands by their deductions by disclosing these weekly as the decisions are made)
- At present AFL CV have made deduction decisions that have been inconsistent at best, at worst theyve made some howlers.


Points Changes

• Player reaches veterans age say 38, should be a 1 pointer anywhere. Keeping people fit, and those putting body and time into playing the game we love should have a bit more freedom as they age
• Agree with Truck 2 years of service before a deduction for a recruit, cant have a situation where a club loses 8 players then can recruit enough to be back in contention the following year
• Not sure I agree with Truck re minimum 8 games to count as a year of service, that's a high watermark especially if a player gets injured and there is not Hub discretion

I don’t think 8 games is to high at all. Maybe higher. At present you can recruit the best player from anywhere in Australia that is worth 3 points. They play 10 games over 2 years to become 1 point but a local kid has to play 40 to be 1 point

 

[Truck]

I think the change needs to come from AFL VIC first.

Macro Level Changes
- No salary cap, its a restraint of trade and penalises clubs who have set their future up

- if the cap remains there will clubs in the district leagues that will not be able to fill reserves because of population decline

- Money saved on investigators, regulartors would be probably close to $1-2mil per year, put the first year savings into paying for a data based approach to points system that maintains the most number of clubs for the most number of years as possible

- Year on year savings could be spent on infastructure, clinics, safety


- Each league in the state needs to be set a max points for the worst performing team by AFL VIC. Ie BFL say Maryborough on 40, LVFL Maiden Gully 48 etc etc. Premier VAFA 38, EDFL 38 etc
- Larger centres and teams with access to juniors should be really tightend here
- Hubs then have the ablity to tweak within the league the mirco impact
- AFL VIC max points decision based on 21 players per team, to spread pool of players. If leagues want to increase the team size to 22 that is their decision but it comes with no extra points allocation
- No ability to apply for player points deductions, rules are the rules, (or if not then HUB stands by their deductions by disclosing these weekly as the decisions are made)
- At present AFL CV have made deduction decisions that have been inconsistent at best, at worst theyve made some howlers.


Points Changes

• Player reaches veterans age say 38, should be a 1 pointer anywhere. Keeping people fit, and those putting body and time into playing the game we love should have a bit more freedom as they age
• Agree with Truck 2 years of service before a deduction for a recruit, cant have a situation where a club loses 8 players then can recruit enough to be back in contention the following year
• Not sure I agree with Truck re minimum 8 games to count as a year of service, that's a high watermark especially if a player gets injured and there is not Hub discretion

The no point exemptions/ deductions was more when they land at your club.
Injured players would need to be looked at.

 

[fatkidinthepocket]

Apparently new council met with BFL,HDFL,LVFL and NCFL last week according to Loddon Times

 

[Bakers_Patrons]

Apparently new council met with BFL,HDFL,LVFL and NCFL last week according to Loddon Times

Surely they look at how bfl clubs are running around with 46 points and ncfl 42.

 

[Forest St End]

Great discussion, hope Carol has her pen and paper out.

Here’s my two cents:

Ditch the salary cap, waste of time and resources.

Adjust points every season on a ladder position basis, -3 for top/premiers, -2 second, -1 third. If second or third win flag they lose one more and top team one less. Bottom team gain 3, second last 2, third last 1. All others stay same.
Only players who have never played for another club are automatically one point. As soon as you play elsewhere only eligible for a one point discount on your total at junior club. One point discount after 75 games with a club, two point discount after 125 games. No further discounts.
Player changing clubs in same league to a club with lower points allocation pick up 1 extra point and are never eligible for discounts at that club.

 

[Crazymaggy2020]

Could we see change as soon as next year ?


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[Forest St End]

Could we see change as soon as next year ?


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I wouldn’t get my hopes up Crazy man.

This is all our discussion after a lead from Peter Cole.

All the actual hierarchy has done so far is whinge about us talking footy.

 

[Crazymaggy2020]

I wonder how tonight’s meeting went? Hopefully good direction so the clubs can get on with the year.


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