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Bendigo FNL 2017
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rootboy
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The guys leaving Flat can be divided into two categories
1) Mercenaries.... the money may have run out OR the club has decided that they have wasted good money on very poor choices over the years.
2)The locals who have been there that long they believed that they were better than they actually were! The club will be much better with both groups gone and now can actually concentrate on playing football and maybe stop the systematic bleeding of home grown players over the past 5 years or so.
The only problem KF will have is the need for locals in a point system. You need senior players so if you lose too many locals the points wont make sense. Very good article about "aspirational players" in the ADDY yesterday and how a young bloke from the LV of HDFL is worth 3 points crossing to BFL. Should be 2 maximum as long as they are under 23 and maybe even 1 if they haven't played major league footy before in any form from Under 18's onwards.
agree with the westy article, young minor league players trying out in a major league under 23 should only be 1 point with major league clubs only allowed a max 2 from the same minor league side and they must stay a minimum of 2 years at the major league club or they are worth 4 points going back to their home side after a year. the points system should also look after loyal players, with players who have played over 100 senior games at one club be worth only 1 point to their next club
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So under your plan your saying that if a kid wants to try BFL from a district club, they should only be worth one, but if they wanted to return home after a year they increase to 4 at there home club. Is that a joke!
the idea is so they give it a proper go that way they go back to their home clubs much better players, staying in major league for 2 years, as you see many go back after a season or less and dont get the most out of their potential and go backwards in their footy
I see your point Trent, you want players to be the best they can be. However given the current lack of numbers, isn't it better to ensure people enjoy their footy so they continue playing. I know a number of HDFL, KDFL guys who have joined a GVFL side and lasted until cut off or 1 year and it would be unlikely that they would stay for the second year as they didn't enjoy it.
There are already issues with the minor leagues filling their two's sides and restricting the movement of local players back to their home club may have a big impact.
Marty Kelly off to Kerang??
Dragon Fly
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Few big losses at Golden Square, Strath as well at this stage it could be Eaglehawk chasing the Dragons. Can Kyneton take the next step?
How many junior games do you need to play before you are considered a 'local'?
Surely if you play 2-3 seasons at say White Hills, then cross to Eaglehawk to play under 18's and snag a game in the 1's you're still a 1 point player for Eaglehawk.
At seasons end transfer back to White Hills as a local 1 pointer?
40 at I think u17 and under
well done to ringo, 4 players getting drafted from pios, its being a while since that many players got drafted
Thanks mate..(didn't do me much good) highest since 2007 which is great. Believe Ken Sheldon will be the new coach
Rick Coburn appointed Pioneers Coach Ringo just wondering what your thought are on him? Toiled away at South for a ling time with reasonable results but no Flags.
Got it wrong mate....might be best that I say nothing at all about it all...... I can only say there is one particular person that has shafted numerous people over the years involved. Find it difficult that a failed U/16 coach can make calls on coaches....thats all I will say!
A person that was on the Selection panel for the Coach is that what your referring too Ringo?
Mate....if you dig deep enough..you find the truth
Not sure that not being a successful you 16 coach means you are a poor coaching selector,
not a clue who you are refering to in regards to the selector. But I am unaware anyone involved at the group who selects the coach. You obviously had an effect on4 kids who have been drafted, best to leave it at that.
Sometimes not worth the hassle.
Pios system and group needs an overhaul and would of though afl central vic would of looks at other regions as to why they work and Bendigo'S doesn't. all for kids getting drafted but what's next we alot have a disconnect now between there home clubs. Due to training nights and been told they cannot play when they have the bye.
Along with numerous kids who move to bendigo for it become players at local level and attract 4 points.
Your the man with the shovel thats why I thought I would ask. Whats your plans for Footy in 2017 Ringo?
haha..yes I have the shovel! No plans mate. It all happened a bit late so that will be it for awhile mate
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Overhaul, paah ... !!! Put St Patrick's College, Ballarat, in Bendigo with all its boarding facilities, multiple sporting scholarships - yes they grab 16 year olds from across Victoria and NSW - obvious case in point would be Jacob Hopper circa 2015, Rioli etc (and the majority of draftees out of St Pats over the past 10 years) - and ready access to the coaching and conditioning assets available within the environment of a proven successful VFL team such as North Ballarat and there is your overhaul. Ballarat and Clarendon College do the same in relation to scholarships to what is proven to be one of the top ten schools in the state (Academia wise, which makes it an easy sell) That is why the Rebels work!!
Pioneers don't have the luxury of these schools supporting their program, and I am positive the coach of the Pioneers is mot responsible for the current points system ... that said, given your comments about Pioneers not playing for their home side during Bye rounds, ex pioneers playing in Bendigo locally wouldn't be 4 pointers if they return to their home club.
It's worth remembering that the TAC is a pathways model, designed by the AFL to facilitate the growth of the AFL. Not unlike any other educational pathway. Four draftees is a tick in my book. I imagine it would be in the AFL's book as well.
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What about the kids who move to bendigo make mates. and play at a club in bendigo instead of going back home purely due to pios.
Ballarat have some great schools but you would need to look at the players going there. there actually isn't alot.yes they get drafted. but that's surely only part of it given the amount drafted via Vfl and co
That's only one club. what about Gippsland & murray ?
Pios is never going to be properly supported unless the pios supports the clubs it's a 2 way street.
I also never said the pios coach was responsible for their points 4points
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I am also not having a crack at draftees.
My gripe is a disconnect from local clubs.
It use to be up to the player
Nothing wrong with the coaching
But would hope that the TAC cup physophy is not get as many drafted. then not care about the others on the list
And reset for next year .
I am also not having a crack at draftees.
My gripe is a disconnect from local clubs.
It use to be up to the player
Nothing wrong with the coaching
But would hope that the TAC cup physophy is not get as many drafted. then not care about the others on the list
And reset for next year .
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Your original post suggested that 'the Pioneers system and group needs an overhaul' ... and that 'AFL central Victoria must be asking questions why other regions work, while the Pioneers do not' ...
I think I have answered the question for you in relation to Ballarat and Bendigo. Rebels players are either from Ballarat and surrounding districts, or they are from various other regions (including the Pioneers region, and housed in boarding schools such as St Patrick's College, Ballarat & Clarendon, or Ballarat Grammar. It's a simple yet significant difference as kids don't have to travel 'miles' to training .... I can't comment on Gippsland as I do not know. I imagine the Bushrangers face similar problems to the Pioneers with the tyranny of distance.
I repeat ... the TAC system is a pathway designed to educate young players to feed the industry that is AFL footy. I think all players on lists are 'cared' about, but ultimately the AFL's pathway system has the prize of a spot on an AFL list. The reality of life is that not everyone wins a prize!
Anyway, with due respect, this is a BFL forum so we might leave it there.
