Best 22 - 2016

[MoreMoore]

Round one side:

B: Jack Frost ~ Nathan Brown ~ Jackson Ramsay
HB: Ben Sinclair ~ Ben Reid ~ Marley Williams

M: Steele Sidebottom ~ Taylor Adams ~ Scott Pendlebury
R: Jarrod Witts ~ Jordan DeGoey ~ Adam Treloar

HF: Travis Varcoe ~ Travis Cloke ~ Dane Swan
F: Corey Gault ~ Darcy Moore ~ Alex Fasolo

I/C: Jack Crisp ~ Tom Langdon ~ Jarryd Blair ~ Levi Greenwood

End of year best 22 prediction:

B: Jon Marsh ~ Nathan Brown ~ Marley Williams
HB: James Aish ~ Ben Reid ~ Scott Pendlebury

M: Steele Sidebottom ~ Taylor Adams ~ Travis Varcoe
R: Jarrod Witts ~ Jordan DeGoey ~ Adam Treloar

HF: Alex Fasolo ~ Travis Cloke ~ Dane Swan
F: Brodie Grundy ~ Darcy Moore ~ Jamie Elliott

I/C: Jack Crisp ~ Jarryd Blair ~ Brayden Maynard ~ Tim Broomhead

Really like the end of year side
Would swap Howe for Blair though

 

[partypie]

Really like the end of year side
Would swap Howe for Blair though

And Greenwood for Broomhead - no reason to cast him aside I don't reckon, even though Broomhead might still force his way in it wont be at Levi's expense, as we'll need his toughness more than ever at the end of the season.

 

[degaultoar]

Ramsay Brown Varcoe
Langdon Reid Williams

Witts Treloar Adams
Swan De Goey Crisp

Fasolo Cloke Pendlebury
Moore Gault Sidebottom

Int
Blair Elliott Greenwood Grundy

Emer
Aish Maynard Broomhead Howe Marsh Frost

 

[MoreMoore]

And Greenwood for Broomhead - no reason to cast him aside I don't reckon, even though Broomhead might still force his way in it wont be at Levi's expense, as we'll need his toughness more than ever at the end of the season.

Missed Greenwood
He has to be in
Who for is a great question
I like Broomhead for his skill
Level. Hopefully consistency will come

 

[degaultoar]

I put Pendles and Sidey in the forward line.


Just because I can.

 

[dardy33]

Williams Brown Ramsey
Pendlebury Ried Langdon
Sidebottom Adams Varcoe
Witts Swan Treloar
De goey Cloke Fasolo
Blair Moore Gault

Int__ Greenwood Crisp Marsh Aish

I thinked we looked more organised with Pendles down back and Swan provided great run when in the middle

 

[Cannibal]

FWIW, I have ranked every single player of ours into four lists - Best 22 locks, experienced players who are capable of playing in our AFL 22, those who have shown signs at VFL level but who haven't got the experience to be rated in groups 1 or 2, and our newbies.

[White is in the third group, but in reality, he is in Last Chance Saloon; if he shows anything this season, that's great, but I don't have any expectations of him.]

Best 22 (names only, positions didn't come into my appraisal): Fasolo, de Goey, Grundy, Elliott, Treloar, Langdon, Pendles, Adams, Brown, Varcoe, Greenwood, Reid, Sidebottom, Crisp, Williams, Moore, Cloke, Swan, Howe and Frost.

Experienced players who can play AFL footy: Macaffer, Goldsack, Blair, Aish, Witts, Sinclair, Broomhead, Toovey and Oxley.

[Broomhead and Oxley don't have much experience (just 19 AFL games each), but have shown enough in that very short time to be rated at this level; they are perfectly capable of becoming Best 22 players as well, but they have to take that next step.]

Showing signs of being in group 2: White, Marsh, Goodyear, Ramsay, Maynard.

Newbies (let's see what they are capable of first): Phillips, Wills, Sier, Crocker.

Another consideration is that there are two spaces available on our Senior List. One a Nominated Rookie, to make our Senior List 40 players, one a replacement for Scharenberg who is on the long-term injury list (and who probably won't play at all this season). Personally, I think there is more upside with Cox, who has shown that he can play both ruck and forward, whereas Gault looks to be a forward only at this point, so I will say Cox to be the Nominated Rookie, Gault to be the replacement for Scharenberg. Both would be in Group 3 - showing signs of being rated higher, but who need to back up those early signs. Until this happens, though, place Cox and Gault in the 4th group (newbies) for now.

Add groups 1 and 2 together and we have 29 players perfectly capable of playing AFL footy right now and another four, possibly six, who may be seen to be at that level during this season, so up to 33 players who may come under consideration for AFL selection.

IMO, that's a damn good position to be in!

 

[Saintly Viewed]

After a good nights sleep, something bugging me about Elliott.
Liked Blairs game the past weeks. Did a few standout things whereas last year he had more of that defensive fwd mindset.
Is it Fasolo and Blair just doing better or is the absence of Elliott providing them better opportunities and allows them to play with more freedom?

It's a very good thoughtful question.
I'm really pleased we have Fasolo, in the absence of Elliot.
Blair is earning his spot and I'm conceding it's his to lose. Glad for him to prove me long term wrong.
I worry who is kept out, but competition is good for us.
That said, with Fasolo we have the Elliot loss covered.
But imagine if you will, Elliot and Fasolo and Howe streaming from the flanks.
There will be 3 X factor type of players. Add Moore and am I allowed to say Cloke?
Opposition panic.... you can smell it.....

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Round one side:

B: Jack Frost ~ Nathan Brown ~ Jackson Ramsay
HB: Ben Sinclair ~ Ben Reid ~ Marley Williams

M: Steele Sidebottom ~ Taylor Adams ~ Scott Pendlebury
R: Jarrod Witts ~ Jordan DeGoey ~ Adam Treloar

HF: Travis Varcoe ~ Travis Cloke ~ Dane Swan
F: Corey Gault ~ Darcy Moore ~ Alex Fasolo

I/C: Jack Crisp ~ Tom Langdon ~ Jarryd Blair ~ Levi Greenwood

End of year best 22 prediction:

B: Jon Marsh ~ Nathan Brown ~ Marley Williams
HB: James Aish ~ Ben Reid ~ Scott Pendlebury

M: Steele Sidebottom ~ Taylor Adams ~ Travis Varcoe
R: Jarrod Witts ~ Jordan DeGoey ~ Adam Treloar

HF: Alex Fasolo ~ Travis Cloke ~ Dane Swan
F: Brodie Grundy ~ Darcy Moore ~ Jamie Elliott

I/C: Jack Crisp ~ Jarryd Blair ~ Brayden Maynard ~ Tim Broomhead

No Levi Greenwood. (Especially)? No Jeremy Howe?

 

[PicaBoo]

FWIW, I have ranked every single player of ours into four lists - Best 22 locks, experienced players who are capable of playing in our AFL 22, those who have shown signs at VFL level but who haven't got the experience to be rated in groups 1 or 2, and our newbies.

[White is in the third group, but in reality, he is in Last Chance Saloon; if he shows anything this season, that's great, but I don't have any expectations of him.]

Best 22 (names only, positions didn't come into my appraisal): Fasolo, de Goey, Grundy, Elliott, Treloar, Langdon, Pendles, Adams, Brown, Varcoe, Greenwood, Reid, Sidebottom, Crisp, Williams, Moore, Cloke, Swan, Howe and Frost.

Experienced players who can play AFL footy: Macaffer, Goldsack, Blair, Aish, Witts, Sinclair, Broomhead, Toovey and Oxley.

[Broomhead and Oxley don't have much experience (just 19 AFL games each), but have shown enough in that very short time to be rated at this level; they are perfectly capable of becoming Best 22 players as well, but they have to take that next step.]

Showing signs of being in group 2: White, Marsh, Goodyear, Ramsay, Maynard.

Newbies (let's see what they are capable of first): Phillips, Wills, Sier, Crocker.

Another consideration is that there are two spaces available on our Senior List. One a Nominated Rookie, to make our Senior List 40 players, one a replacement for Scharenberg who is on the long-term injury list (and who probably won't play at all this season). Personally, I think there is more upside with Cox, who has shown that he can play both ruck and forward, whereas Gault looks to be a forward only at this point, so I will say Cox to be the Nominated Rookie, Gault to be the replacement for Scharenberg. Both would be in Group 3 - showing signs of being rated higher, but who need to back up those early signs. Until this happens, though, place Cox and Gault in the 4th group (newbies) for now.

Add groups 1 and 2 together and we have 29 players perfectly capable of playing AFL footy right now and another four, possibly six, who may be seen to be at that level during this season, so up to 33 players who may come under consideration for AFL selection.

IMO, that's a damn good position to be in!

Gault has already been confirmed as rookie. Agree that Cox has a bigger ceiling (pun intended ) but is not there yet.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

FWIW, I have ranked every single player of ours into four lists - Best 22 locks, experienced players who are capable of playing in our AFL 22, those who have shown signs at VFL level but who haven't got the experience to be rated in groups 1 or 2, and our newbies.

[White is in the third group, but in reality, he is in Last Chance Saloon; if he shows anything this season, that's great, but I don't have any expectations of him.]

Best 22 (names only, positions didn't come into my appraisal): Fasolo, de Goey, Grundy, Elliott, Treloar, Langdon, Pendles, Adams, Brown, Varcoe, Greenwood, Reid, Sidebottom, Crisp, Williams, Moore, Cloke, Swan, Howe and Frost.

Experienced players who can play AFL footy: Macaffer, Goldsack, Blair, Aish, Witts, Sinclair, Broomhead, Toovey and Oxley.

[Broomhead and Oxley don't have much experience (just 19 AFL games each), but have shown enough in that very short time to be rated at this level; they are perfectly capable of becoming Best 22 players as well, but they have to take that next step.]

Showing signs of being in group 2: White, Marsh, Goodyear, Ramsay, Maynard.

Newbies (let's see what they are capable of first): Phillips, Wills, Sier, Crocker.

Another consideration is that there are two spaces available on our Senior List. One a Nominated Rookie, to make our Senior List 40 players, one a replacement for Scharenberg who is on the long-term injury list (and who probably won't play at all this season). Personally, I think there is more upside with Cox, who has shown that he can play both ruck and forward, whereas Gault looks to be a forward only at this point, so I will say Cox to be the Nominated Rookie, Gault to be the replacement for Scharenberg. Both would be in Group 3 - showing signs of being rated higher, but who need to back up those early signs. Until this happens, though, place Cox and Gault in the 4th group (newbies) for now.

Add groups 1 and 2 together and we have 29 players perfectly capable of playing AFL footy right now and another four, possibly six, who may be seen to be at that level during this season, so up to 33 players who may come under consideration for AFL selection.

IMO, that's a damn good position to be in!

And you could take your lock players and make an assessment which of those are Elite or thereabouts to Elite. It's these players that really help drive flag potential - and there is always room for more of those. Treloar comes to our club in this category. Your thoughts on those?

Really liked your list the only quibble, I think, is that in a funny way Grundy is not a lock only because of the Witts competition may push him out. Ofcourse you may feel Witts just doesn't play before Grundy does.

 

[mike123]

No Levi Greenwood. (Especially)? No Jeremy Howe?

Howe I never really rated so I'm waiting for him to impress me.

As for Greenwood I don't think he offers anything we really need. It was two spots between Blair, Broomhead and Greenwood for mine and I picked the other two because Blair's cleanliness, offers a bit of a spark when he's near the ball and is a better forward than Greenwood. Greenwood out also allows guys like De Goey and Sidebottom more time on the ball. Which is also why I picked Broomhead ahead of him because he can spend time on the wing and let Sidebottom spend more time on the ball. Sidebottom does his best work when he splits time between the wing and the middle imo. Also because Broomhead offers us a bit of pace and good skills which our forwards will lap up.

 

[PicaBoo]

It's a very good thoughtful question.
I'm really pleased we have Fasolo, in the absence of Elliot.
Blair is earning his spot and I'm conceding it's his to lose. Glad for him to prove me long term wrong.
I worry who is kept out, but competition is good for us.
That said, with Fasolo we have the Elliot loss covered.
But imagine if you will, Elliot and Fasolo and Howe streaming from the flanks.
There will be 3 X factor type of players. Add Moore and am I allowed to say Cloke?
Opposition panic.... you can smell it.....

Cloke and opposition panic. Not anymore. Moore is the new hype in our fwd line. Next will be Cox. The opportunistic long bombs to tall forwards will become less and less. Unless Cloke goes roaming the arc he will run out of supply due to the short and fast transition. It will be the midfielders streaming in and hitting the scoreboard. And I rather have one extra player in the vicinity of the ball for a quick link up then a lone figure in the goal square with a defender.
As in who stays and who goes...
Gault and Moore will share the 2nd ruck duties. Elliott would have to replace Macaffer. Not convinced yet by Caffs game , hence Blair can stay. Broomhead should be his successor.
And to stay controversial, if Clokes goes back a bit, Cloke and Howe will be contending for the same spot with as advantage that Howe can be swung back.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Cloke and opposition panic. Not anymore. Moore is the new hype in our fwd line. Next will be Cox. The opportunistic long bombs to tall forwards will become less and less. Unless Cloke goes roaming the arc he will run out of supply due to the short and fast transition. It will be the midfielders streaming in and hitting the scoreboard. And I rather have one extra player in the vicinity of the ball for a quick link up then a lone figure in the goal square with a defender.
As in who stays and who goes...
Gault and Moore will share the 2nd ruck duties. Elliott would have to replace Macaffer. Not convinced yet by Caffs game , hence Blair can stay. Broomhead should be his successor.
And to stay controversial, if Clokes goes back a bit, Cloke and Howe will be contending for the same spot with as advantage that Howe can be swung back.

Interesting take.
When Alistair Clarkson, Ross Lyon et al sit with their assistants and our forward line is being discussed and Cloke and Moore are discussed, it's guaranteed they are first placing their best big defender on Cloke then they work on Moore.
It will all be Moores one day, but he's a long way from being frightening like Cloke is.
Does Cloke have to return to better play? Absolutely.
But if he uses his big tank and goes CHF and runs he will draw as he does the opposition. There's always multiples hanging off him. Moore hasn't earned that privilege yet. Moore is the future, terrific potential but he's still far away from carrying the forwards. The day Travis has real support, is the day he can give us so much more. He's had to do it on his own, he needs a bit of help.

If it was the GF tomorrow and it was Cloke v Howe or Moore (one only) the 18 coaches would take Cloke. Assuming our list ofcourse.

I think we are projecting on to Darcy, he's not there yet.
Travis' meagre tally last year of about 17 games got mid 30s in goals. Not great but not sure I'd be pensioning him off just yet. If we did, does that mean we have the former much maligned Gault holding the forte as well. Gault kicks straight true, we can rejoice in 17.3.

Simple to me, we don't play Cloke all year, forget any chance of finals, we will not get there. Moore, Gault they aren't ready to deliver that, the best defenders will mop up easily without a brute like Cloke lurking and being the leader of the pack. I'm backing him in, because he's a monster forward and we don't have any others.

 

[PicaBoo]

Interesting take.
When Alistair Clarkson, Ross Lyon et al sit with their assistants and our forward line is being discussed and Cloke and Moore are discussed, it's guaranteed they are first placing their best big defender on Cloke then they work on Moore.
It will all be Moores one day, but he's a long way from being frightening like Cloke is.
Does Cloke have to return to better play? Absolutely.
But if he uses his big tank and goes CHF and runs he will draw as he does the opposition. There's always multiples hanging off him. Moore hasn't earned that privilege yet. Moore is the future, terrific potential but he's still far away from carrying the forwards. The day Travis has real support, is the day he can give us so much more. He's had to do it on his own, he needs a bit of help.

If it was the GF tomorrow and it was Cloke v Howe or Moore (one only) the 18 coaches would take Cloke. Assuming our list ofcourse.

I think we are projecting on to Darcy, he's not there yet.
Travis' meagre tally last year of about 17 games got mid 30s in goals. Not great but not sure I'd be pensioning him off just yet. If we did, does that mean we have the former much maligned Gault holding the forte as well. Gault kicks straight true, we can rejoice in 17.3.

Simple to me, we don't play Cloke all year, forget any chance of finals, we will not get there. Moore, Gault they aren't ready to deliver that, the best defenders will mop up easily without a brute like Cloke lurking and being the leader of the pack. I'm backing him in, because he's a monster forward and we don't have any others.

One minor detail. It is not GF tomorrow.When it is in October, we get Cox out.I hope we can go all tall once Cox is ready.
He will worry Clarkson and Lyon, not a Cloke that has been found out and has a good chance of missing anyway.
Totally agree on Cloke's strengths but do we need a deep wayward decoy. Why not play with 2 rucks that demand the same attention from a tall defender ?

 

[THATSGOLD]

My round 1 team.

Ramsey Brown Frost
Sidebottom Reid Aish
Varcoe Greenwood Howe
Cloke Moore Swan
Blair Gault Fasolo

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar

Broomhead Degoey Williams Crisp.

 

[nahnah]

My round 1 team.

Ramsey Brown Frost
Sidebottom Reid Aish
Varcoe Greenwood Howe
Cloke Moore Swan
Blair Gault Fasolo

Grundy Pendlebury Treloar

Broomhead Degoey Williams Crisp.

Agreed, Adams was poor during the nab challenge and doesn't deserve a game

 

[THATSGOLD]

I do not want to see
Sinclair
Langdon
White
Witts
Marsh
Round 1.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Agreed, Adams was poor during the nab challenge and doesn't deserve a game

probably swap Broomhead and Adams.

 

[TradeDraft]

I love Aish in RD 1 but He been Good but really done nothing to Demand to be in the RD 1.

So I would not be Surprised IF he starts in the VFL so he can Build his Confidence and Improve his game bit more.

Adams played in the VFL early when he 1st came to the Club and did him well