Prediction Best 22 for Round One, 2017

[TigerImposter]

I truly think he will play well stepping back into that Vlastuin style role. I think of games like 2015 vs GWS and Rd23 vs Sydney in 2014.

If it's not him in my version of the 22, who do you think it should be? Keen to hear thoughts, but yeah if the 'big boys' are just the 3- Rance, Astbury, Grimes- then I worry we'd be undersize.

Grimes plays b4 Batch,but both are not the genuine 3rd tall option.I'm not sure if it's important though as i prefer a more run like player .
I'm looking to see games put into Garthwaite and their future replacement.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Batch's intercept marking reminds me of Joel Bowden.
His disposal is poo though...like really poo

It actually isn't..

He is a far more natural kick than Grimes, Astbury, and even Rance can be clunky by foot. Batch is not a bad kick compared to any of them.

 

[Tango67]

Have re-jigged my 22 from the other day.

Reason being - we will need some more pace coming out of our forward line too, otherwise we may be rebounded on too easily.

As a result I want Bolton in the side, I don't care if he's raw.

B: Grimes, Astbury, Batchelor
HB: Houli, Rance, Markov
C: Cotchin, Vlastuin, McIntosh
HF: Caddy, Griffiths, Bolton
F: Rioli, Riewoldt, Lloyd
R: Nankervis, Martin, Prestia
Int: Conca, B. Ellis, Edwards, C. Ellis

emg: Grigg, Miles, Menadue


I honestly cannot see any way Taylor Hunt can get near this 22. If he is still somehow in the side Round 1, I will borderline quit the club.

I like your thinking but not your team, you want more pace but bring bachelor in and have conca, Ellis x2 and Edwards on the bench?

 

[Tango67]

if you want pace bring in Menadue, Drummond, Stengle, Short etc

 

[THE_GUN]

if you want pace bring in Menadue, Drummond, Stengle, Short etc

Stengle is not fast

 

[mopsy]

As I stated earlier, always exceptions.
Me thinks, other than us in 2004 with picks 1, 4, 12, 16 and 20, it's hard to f*** up with picks 2, 5 and 7.
How many clubs have picked up four gems with picks 29, 53, 72 and a rookie?

this is probably not the place for it but just to add to the above
Geelong did pretty well in 01 they had 8 nd picks and got 4 spot on even the misses gave them some depth.
8 Bartel, 17 Kelly, 24 S Johnson, 40 Ablett.
the other four were 23 gardiner, 41 Playfair, 69 McCarthy, 81 D Johnson,

Just on their 1999 nd draft. again it was the numbers they had, 7 picks all inside the top 50. they had their misses that yr with some damn good picks,
corey at 8, but missed with 15 spriggs, 17 Bray, 23 Foster before nailing chapman at 31, Ling at 38 and Enright at 47.

What does not surprise is just how quickly they turn players over, yes they had been blessed with a strong core group but they dont tolerate too often what we call depth players.
Outside of talls and they have had plenty of them who have been given longer most who dont make it or are fringe players are getting turned over id say in 3 or 4 yrs.
A lot of the players they have turned over have bought back in nd picks.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Grimes Astbury Short
Houli Rance Markov
McIntosh Martin Prestia
Edwards Riewoldt Menadue
Rioli Griffiths Lloyd
Nankervis Caddy Cotchin
Vlastuin Grigg Conca B.Ellis

Twos :
Garthwaite Batchelor Morris
Drummond Broad Moore
C.Ellis Miles Hunt
Lennon Elton Castagna
Bolton Maric Chol
Hampson Townsend Lambert
Butler Graham Stengle Soldo

 

[tunksy]

Grimes Astbury Short
Houli Rance Markov
McIntosh Martin Prestia
Edwards Riewoldt Menadue
Rioli Griffiths Lloyd
Nankervis Caddy Cotchin
Vlastuin Grigg Conca B.Ellis

Twos :
Garthwaite Batchelor Morris
Drummond Broad Moore
C.Ellis Miles Hunt
Lennon Elton Castagna
Bolton Maric Chol
Hampson Townsend Lambert
Butler Graham Stengle Soldo

If probably swap miles into our starting 22. Performs week in week out for me.

 

[richoatthedisco]

If probably swap miles into our starting 22. Performs week in week out for me.

That's the difference between you and me.

 

[tunksy]

That's the difference between you and me.

And thats ok

 

[TigerImposter]

If probably swap miles into our starting 22. Performs week in week out for me.

For who? I say Conca .

 

[tunksy]

For who? I say Conca .

Conca menadue (have to earn their spots imo) grigg.

Id rather bad deeper on guys that win the hard ball and vlastuin hasnt proven himself innthe midfield... yet

Caddy prestia miles cotch martin Vlastuin would be pretty handy in the guts imo. A lot of flexibility for others to pinch hit up forward.

 

[mopsy]

It actually isn't..

He is a far more natural kick than Grimes, Astbury, and even Rance can be clunky by foot. Batch is not a bad kick compared to any of them.

Just a shame he has consistently shown himself to be a bum when it comes to footy.

How for the life of me players like this bloke survive on our list for so long never ceases to astound me.
FFS think of his attributes and his weaknesses and then tell me what his role should be. The answer is simple VFL and i bet ya his weaknesses will see him struggle at that level a lot of times.

 

[ReaperX]

Not my team but this will be clodse to what we pick for round one.
HUNT RANCE GRIMES
B. ELLIS ASTBURY HOULI
COTCHIN GRIGG EDWARDS
MARTIN RIEWOLDT CADDY
RIOLI GRIFFITHS LLOYD
HAMPSON VLASTUIN PRESTIA
LAMBERT NANKERVIS MARKOV MENADUE

What would your team be for Round 1?

As in, if you were the coach and you could play the team that you think has the best chance for us to win.

You don't appear to rate many players on our list, so I'm just curious! (also sorry if you've already posted it a ways back in the thread, I didn't see it if you did!)

 

[Goldust]

What would your team be for Round 1?

As in, if you were the coach and you could play the team that you think has the best chance for us to win.

You don't appear to rate many players on our list, so I'm just curious! (also sorry if you've already posted it a ways back in the thread, I didn't see it if you did!)

Here you go Reaper.
A team like this would go close to getting it done.

A team of:
Short Rance Grimes
Vlastuin Astbury Houli
McIntosh Martin Markov
Caddy Riewoldt Rioli
Menadue Griffiths Lloyd
Nankervis Cotchin Prestia
Grigg B. Ellis Moore Miles

I'll add, our best 22 is compromised in my opinion.
Our tall stocks are nowhere near enough being adequate - and should either/or Rance or Riewoldt go down - they are plain dismal.
I would have no qualms about about playing Garthwaite instead of Astbury, who is a player we need to upgrade, and move Griems to a key post. But Astbury probably gives us a better chance of winning this game and we are not going to blood many youngsters early - possibly one.
Hampson is not an option for me. He adds nothing but tap outs, but we need a back-up ruck and that is Griff, so there is a need to pay one of either Moore (who I prefer) or Elton on the bench to give us a second tall forward when Griff rucks.
And to be truthful, I think we have Griff and Astbury att he wrong ends of the ground. In my best team, Griff would be CHB ad Astbury up forward (but that's not going to happen).
I would structure our team a whole lot differently to what it is now.
As for names missing .. I would like to see Edwards made to earn his spot through some imprtessive Twos performances. He's been gifted games through various stages of his career to the detriment of himself.
Conca I can't have; CEllis no.
Lennon I can't have on past performance and attitude - yes, hope he turns it around. He's exactly what we needed structure wise - a mid to tall forward who can mark, but he starts behind the pack.
Would love to see Graham first-up - won't happen. But easily the draftee I am most excited about.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Here's my 22 again. Would be disappointed not to see one of our young draft picks not playing round 1.

FB short rance grimes
FB makov astbury houli
C mcIntosh cotchin edwards
HF lennon griffiths rioli
FF bolton reiwoldt lloyd
FOLL hampson martin prestia
INT miles caddy vlastuin nankervis
EMER c ellis drummond elton menedue

The interchange is our 2nd midfield. Nankervis can rest up forward at stages and become a 3rd tall option. Our new look crumbing forward line will be dangerous. Grigg and B Ellis shouldn't play until we have a number of injuries to our best 26.

 

[Goldust]

Here's my 22 again. Would be disappointed not to see one of our young draft picks not playing round 1.

FB short rance grimes
FB makov astbury houli
C mcIntosh cotchin edwards
HF lennon griffiths rioli
FF bolton reiwoldt lloyd
FOLL hampson martin prestia
INT miles caddy vlastuin nankervis
EMER c ellis drummond elton menedue

The interchange is our 2nd midfield. Nankervis can rest up forward at stages and become a 3rd tall option. Our new look crumbing forward line will be dangerous. Grigg and B Ellis shouldn't play until we have a number of injuries to our best 26.

I seriously hope we are not recruiting a guy like Caddy (mind you who I don't rate as high as some but is clearly in our top 10) to plonk him on the bench behind tried and failed talent like Edwards and Lennon.
And there's no way, even in a 'very best' scenario a bloke like Bolton is better than Caddy.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Here you go Reaper.
A team like this would go close to getting it done.

A team of:
Short Rance Grimes
Vlastuin Astbury Houli
McIntosh Martin Markov
Caddy Riewoldt Rioli
Menadue Griffiths Lloyd
Nankervis Cotchin Prestia
Grigg B. Ellis Moore Miles

I'll add, our best 22 is compromised in my opinion.
Our tall stocks are nowhere near enough being adequate - and should either/or Rance or Riewoldt go down - they are plain dismal.
I would have no qualms about about playing Garthwaite instead of Astbury, who is a player we need to upgrade, and move Griems to a key post. But Astbury probably gives us a better chance of winning this game and we are not going to blood many youngsters early - possibly one.
Hampson is not an option for me. He adds nothing but tap outs, but we need a back-up ruck and that is Griff, so there is a need to pay one of either Moore (who I prefer) or Elton on the bench to give us a second tall forward when Griff rucks.
And to be truthful, I think we have Griff and Astbury att he wrong ends of the ground. In my best team, Griff would be CHB ad Astbury up forward (but that's not going to happen).
I would structure our team a whole lot differently to what it is now.
As for names missing .. I would like to see Edwards made to earn his spot through some imprtessive Twos performances. He's been gifted games through various stages of his career to the detriment of himself.
Conca I can't have; CEllis no.
Lennon I can't have on past performance and attitude - yes, hope he turns it around. He's exactly what we needed structure wise - a mid to tall forward who can mark, but he starts behind the pack.
Would love to see Graham first-up - won't happen. But easily the draftee I am most excited about.

Astbury is not a forward. I like him in defence but as our 2nd tall forward we'd look in real trouble

 

[THE_GUN]

Grimes - Rance - *****
Houli - Astbury - *****
B.Ellis - Cotchin - McIntosh
Martin - Griffiths - Edwards
Rioli - Riewoldt - Lloyd
***** Prestia - Caddy
Miles - Grigg - Vlastuin - ******

This is how i see the team and i think its pretty much a template with only 3-4 positions up for grabs, The 2 backline roles would probably be Markov & Short which would add significant pace and agility as well as youth developing.

Ruck Position : I would love to see Nankervis played rnd 1 but feel that Hampson will get the gig which leaves the interchange position available for Nank.

Vacant Interchange possibilities :
Conca , Drummond , Lennon , Batchelor , Lambert , C.Ellis , Menadue , Butler

MY PREFFERED 22

Grimes - Rance - Short
Houli - Astbury - Markov
B.Ellis - Cotchin - McIntosh
Martin - Griffiths - Edwards
Rioli - Riewoldt - Lloyd
Nankervis - Prestia - Caddy
Miles - Grigg - Vlastuin - Menadue

Emerg: Conca - Lennon - C.Ellis

 

[Madtiger2006]

I seriously hope we are not recruiting a guy like Caddy (mind you who I don't rate as high as some but is clearly in our top 10) to plonk him on the bench behind tried and failed talent like Edwards and Lennon.
And there's no way, even in a 'very best' scenario a bloke like Bolton is better than Caddy.

I don't put the weakest players on the bench. It's the 2nd midfield who would come on after 5-10 minutes. You don't play a more talented player in a position ahead of someone who is better in that postion. Eg. Lennon in 2015 showed a bit as a forward. 2016 was a bit of a write off with injury and virus. His hunger and fitness was not there when he got a game. But a fit Lennon is a better forward option than Vlastuin who's a better player. Edwards would be a lot more creative than Caddy on a wing. Bolton will do more that Caddy with his speed and pressure in a pocket and he hasn't even played a game. I don't think Grigg and B Ellis are good enough to fill a role in our 22. It's about playing a champion team and not a team of champions

 

[Goldust]

Grimes - Rance - *****
Houli - Astbury - *****
B.Ellis - Cotchin - McIntosh
Martin - Griffiths - Edwards
Rioli - Riewoldt - Lloyd
***** Prestia - Caddy
Miles - Grigg - Vlastuin - ******

This is how i see the team and i think its pretty much a template with only 3-4 positions up for grabs, The 2 backline roles would probably be Markov & Short which would add significant pace and agility as well as youth developing.

Ruck Position : I would love to see Nankervis played rnd 1 but feel that Hampson will get the gig which leaves the interchange position available for Nank.

Vacant Interchange possibilities :
Conca , Drummond , Lennon , Batchelor , Lambert , C.Ellis , Menadue , Butler

MY PREFFERED 22

Grimes - Rance - Short
Houli - Astbury - Markov
B.Ellis - Cotchin - McIntosh
Martin - Griffiths - Edwards
Rioli - Riewoldt - Lloyd
Nankervis - Prestia - Caddy
Miles - Grigg - Vlastuin - Menadue

Emerg: Conca - Lennon - C.Ellis

I would not disagree with your formula Gun.
It's how I did mine.
Slotted in the MUSTS and then filed the eight gaps.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Grimes - Rance - *****
Houli - Astbury - *****
B.Ellis - Cotchin - McIntosh
Martin - Griffiths - Edwards
Rioli - Riewoldt - Lloyd
***** Prestia - Caddy
Miles - Grigg - Vlastuin - ******

This is how i see the team and i think its pretty much a template with only 3-4 positions up for grabs, The 2 backline roles would probably be Markov & Short which would add significant pace and agility as well as youth developing.

Ruck Position : I would love to see Nankervis played rnd 1 but feel that Hampson will get the gig which leaves the interchange position available for Nank.

Vacant Interchange possibilities :
Conca , Drummond , Lennon , Batchelor , Lambert , C.Ellis , Menadue , Butler

MY PREFFERED 22

Grimes - Rance - Short
Houli - Astbury - Markov
B.Ellis - Cotchin - McIntosh
Martin - Griffiths - Edwards
Rioli - Riewoldt - Lloyd
Nankervis - Prestia - Caddy
Miles - Grigg - Vlastuin - Menadue

Emerg: Conca - Lennon - C.Ellis

I especially like that B Ellis and Kmac on the wings adds something, no love for the Hammer or is he in surgery again?

the backline looks small I was going to say short but thought it would be in bad taste

 

[mopsy]

I seriously hope we are not recruiting a guy like Caddy (mind you who I don't rate as high as some but is clearly in our top 10) to plonk him on the bench behind tried and failed talent like Edwards and Lennon.
And there's no way, even in a 'very best' scenario a bloke like Bolton is better than Caddy.

Caddy like most mids will probably play around 85% game time weather he starts on the ground or not. His primary role is as an inside mid so why plonk him on a wing or have him play fwd for most of the game.
Imo better to rotate and keep as fresh as possible the mids from the bench and then pick actual fwds and defenders in those roles when possible.

Our inside mids are Prestia, Caddy, Martin, Cotchin, Miles and Vlastuin .It is not as if they all need to be on the field at the same time.They are all going to spend time on the pine and they will all spend a similar amount of time on the ground.Starting on the bench nowdays does not mean your going to spend less time on the field.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Caddy like most mids will probably play around 85% game time weather he starts on the ground or not. His primary role is as an inside mid so why plonk him on a wing or have him play fwd for most of the game.
Imo better to rotate and keep as fresh as possible the mids from the bench and then pick actual fwds and defenders in those roles when possible.

Our inside mids are Prestia, Caddy, Martin, Cotchin and Miles.It is not as if they all need to be on the field at the same time.They are all going to spend time on the pine and they will all spend a similar amount of time on the ground.Starting on the bench nowdays does not mean your going to spend less time on the field.

So beautifully said
You forgot about Vlastuin though

 

[HARKER]

How do you guys think that we may be shaping up, with what I see as being something resembling our starting 22:

Simpson Rowe Plowman
Docherty Weitering Sheehan

Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
ECurnow Gibbs Petrevski-Seton

CCurnow Casboult Thomas
Sumner McKay Silvagni

Marchbank Wright Palmer Cuningham

Too inexperienced against you or just not good enough?