Prediction Best 22 for Round One, 2017

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NaturalDisaster said:
oh so we have the same players we had then? wow horrid.

we were labelled the worst team since fitzroy by who? those who love to sink their boots into the club?
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By who? Just about everybody. We were and remain the biggest laughing stock in the comp.

Boy so now we were not a bad team in 2009 we finished 15th in a 16 team competition and had the worst percentage of any team. Then throw in other vagaries like draw injuries and all the rest of the crap that can effect sides and you want to argue what exactly.
FFS we were imo and by most others the worst team in the comp by a country mile and if we were not, we were damn close to it.
But that aside which is just a distraction from the point being made, we were bottom of the barrel and there was only one way to go and that was up when Hardwick took over. But hey that does not fit in with your story telling so now we are expected to go along with a rewriting of history.

Truth is everybody including most tiger supporters acknowledged just how bad we were on 09 apart from a few like you when it does not suit a particular debate.

By the way our best players continue to mainly be those who came before Hardwick that is a fact of life.FFS eight yrs on and we still hang our hats and hopes on a list that is not that far advanced on the 2009 list in so many ways.
 

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mopsy said:
By who? Just about everybody. We were and remain the biggest laughing stock in the comp.

Boy so now we were not a bad team in 2009 we finished 15th in a 16 team competition and had the worst percentage of any team. Then throw in other vagaries like draw injuries and all the rest of the crap that can effect sides and you want to argue what exactly.
FFS we were imo and by most others the worst team in the comp by a country mile and if we were not, we were damn close to it.
But that aside which is just a distraction from the point being made, we were bottom of the barrel and there was only one way to go and that was up when Hardwick took over. But hey that does not fit in with your story telling so now we are expected to go along with a rewriting of history.

Truth is everybody including most tiger supporters acknowledged just how bad we were on 09 apart from a few like you when it does not suit a particular debate.

By the way our best players continue to mainly be those who came before Hardwick that is a fact of life.FFS eight yrs on and we still hang our hats and hopes on a list that is not that far advanced on the 2009 list in so many ways.
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I believe you have (partly my fault) misunderstood my post.

I never said we were an ok team in 09... we were a horrible team, my point was is that we were not near as bad as the fitzroy team of the late 90s and not just that.. we get labelled the "worst team since fitzroy" when Melbourne were a lot bloody worse.

Had melbourne not been as poor it would have been spot on description.

However, not far advanced from the 2009 list? we are way way better than that now...

and don't give me that shit about "it doesn't fit your story" your the one who came up with the pathetic reason of"the only way to go was up" because you have your head stuck so far up your arse you can't even admit he has ever done anything good.

You still haven't explained to me how we almost challenged top 4 twice... with a list that apparently is not far better than our putrid 09 list?

If our list isn't that better, Hardwick must be brillant...
 
mopsy said:
By who? Just about everybody. We were and remain the biggest laughing stock in the comp.

Boy so now we were not a bad team in 2009 we finished 15th in a 16 team competition and had the worst percentage of any team. Then throw in other vagaries like draw injuries and all the rest of the crap that can effect sides and you want to argue what exactly.
FFS we were imo and by most others the worst team in the comp by a country mile and if we were not, we were damn close to it.
But that aside which is just a distraction from the point being made, we were bottom of the barrel and there was only one way to go and that was up when Hardwick took over. But hey that does not fit in with your story telling so now we are expected to go along with a rewriting of history.

Truth is everybody including most tiger supporters acknowledged just how bad we were on 09 apart from a few like you when it does not suit a particular debate.

By the way our best players continue to mainly be those who came before Hardwick that is a fact of life.FFS eight yrs on and we still hang our hats and hopes on a list that is not that far advanced on the 2009 list in so many ways.
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He missed the point with your last paragraph when I made him also aware of it.
 
mopsy said:
LMFAO, Put up a team without JR, AR, and TC and i would guess there is every chance it will be 15 thru 18. Hmm where did we finish in 09 again.For that matter where did we finish this yr.
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Lets put it this way..

Take out Riewoldt/Rance/Cotch/Edwards

put that team up against our 09 list without the above players....

our current list would still win comfortably...
 
NaturalDisaster said:
I believe you have (partly my fault) misunderstood my post.

I never said we were an ok team in 09... we were a horrible team, my point was is that we were not near as bad as the fitzroy team of the late 90s and not just that.. we get labelled the "worst team since fitzroy" when Melbourne were a lot bloody worse.

Had melbourne not been as poor it would have been spot on description.
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The only part of the utter tripe you posted i can remotely agree with is the above.
The fact is you asked who was it who labelled us Fitzroy like and i answered most of the footy community but hey they were all wrong iyo. And no Melbourne were not a lot bloody worse.
Simple fact is weather we were the worst or second worst team the only way was up but you cant even acknowledge that, again what the hell are you arguing here.It could not be much worse than it was.But hey lets just ignore the facts to suit.

I in fact agree with you we had some youngsters of promise in the system not a lot but some but noone can deny we were at rock bottom and the only way was up.
Most of us expected low finishes in his early yrs wich is exactly what happened.
The bottom line is we improved enough to become a middling side at best and bottom third or worse.which is exactly what has been espoused on this site in other threads that you have participated in if you took the time to read opposing posts closely enough.,

How did Hardwick create this mythical team of greatness that played finals ? I will say again FMD go look at the numerous threads on the topic and the hundreds of debates about this very topic, its been done to death and just shows your ignorance. I'll give you a few starters things you have already read and ignore. Great draws, Great runs with injury, Lots of teams in that period going thru just as big rebuilds, Two expansion clubs , and striking clubs at the right time.The luck was always going to run out and it did in a big way in 2016.

I tell ya what you hang ya hat on those horrid finals appearances and call it what you like, but for those of us who think about things rationally , we saw it as middling with nothing sustainable and 2016 has already proved that.

The same sort of middling that saw us miss finals by a whisker that had supporters just like you lamenting what could have been in 08, only to finish
Fitzroy like in 09.
 

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mopsy said:
The only part of the utter tripe you posted i can remotely agree with is the above.
The fact is you asked who was it who labelled us Fitzroy like and i answered most of the footy community but hey they were all wrong iyo. And no Melbourne were not a lot bloody worse.
Simple fact is weather we were the worst or second worst team the only way was up but you cant even acknowledge that, again what the hell are you arguing here.It could not be much worse than it was.But hey lets just ignore the facts to suit.

I in fact agree with you we had some youngsters of promise in the system not a lot but some but noone can deny we were at rock bottom and the only way was up.
Most of us expected low finishes in his early yrs wich is exactly what happened.
The bottom line is we improved enough to become a middling side at best and bottom third or worse.which is exactly what has been espoused on this site in other threads that you have participated in if you took the time to read opposing posts closely enough.,

How did Hardwick create this mythical team of greatness that played finals ? I will say again FMD go look at the numerous threads on the topic and the hundreds of debates about this very topic, its been done to death and just shows your ignorance. I'll give you a few starters things you have already read and ignore. Great draws, Great runs with injury, Lots of teams in that period going thru just as big rebuilds, Two expansion clubs , and striking clubs at the right time.The luck was always going to run out and it did in a big way in 2016.

I tell ya what you hang ya hat on those horrid finals appearances and call it what you like, but for those of us who think about things rationally , we saw it as middling with nothing sustainable and 2016 has already proved that.

The same sort of middling that saw us miss finals by a whisker that had supporters just like you lamenting what could have been in 08, only to finish
Fitzroy like in 09.
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Once again, you misunderstand what I was getting at... I'm pretty sure The "Worst team since fitzroy" thing was an internet meme...much like the Richmond 9th joke when in fact we haven't even finished 9th that much.

I never said we were a decent team, in fact we were the second worst in the league and yes a truely terrible team.

lol, so everything that went right was luck and everything that went bad was our shitness? You're just finding shit to suit your agenda now... You say there has been many debates why we went back down again.. However there are only three posterrs i've seen claim that we only made finals because "other teams were rebuilding, good run with injuries" etc. If you want to use the "weak comp" argument, maybe Hawthorn only won a threepeat because other teams were rebuilding?
 
HumanMeatball said:
It would be in about 10 other clubs top 10 as well
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Scary shit you're agreeing with me that our list is putrid after seven years of tinkering. Why are you so concerned about ten other clubs as this is a lthread about our best 22?
Actually look at the boys listed as emergencies I reckon they would be top ten in our side.
 
NaturalDisaster said:
Our best players came from before Hardwick (except Martin) because:

1. THey have been playin longer and are the most experienced?
2. They were taken with much higher picks
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Other than Rance, they have been stars since early into their careers.

The club should have been able to take players at their level/close to their level with picks later than the ones we took our current pre-Hardwick stars at like what many other clubs do. For example, Collingwood took Brownlow medallist Dane Swan at a pick in the 50s.

Cotchin was pick 2, Riewoldt with pick 13, Rance was a priority pick at 18, Dusty was pick 3 and Deledio was pick 1. We did not have any stars coming from deep into the second/third round for a while (and didn't trade any in prior to this season), and that is the difference between a Premiership side and one whose a good side with little depth.

In fact, we didn't even get stars of the game with our first round pick since Dustin Martin, and some of them had a while to prove it. (Let's hope Vlastuin does).

I feel like Daniel Rioli, Oleg Markov, Shai Bolton and maybe Jayden Short will become stars of the game/solid players (first round, third round, second round pick and rookie draft respectively) and we did trade for a star player in Prestia so they are finally getting it right IMO, but sometimes I wonder if it is a little too late to save the current rebuild.
 
Tiger_4_Life said:
The easiest match up is Hardwick vs Bolton.... For whatever weaknesses you may or may not have in your best 22, Bolton dominates dimma in every facet of coaching.
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it's "quality" posts like this that make me wonder why i bother coming onto here at all....
thread bans have been mooted a few times for ppl derailing threads etc & bagging Dimma in a "best 22" thread should also come into consideration as well. after all there is a seperate Dimma thread which i would go in to if i wanted to see him being bagged etc.
 
Nantes said:
B: Heath Shaw, Aidan Corr, Nick Haynes
HB: Nathan Wilson, Phil Davis, Zac Williams
C: Josh Kelly, Callan Ward, Tom Scully
HF: Brett Deledio, Jeremy Cameron, Toby Greene
F: Steve Johnson, Jon Patton, Rory Lobb
R: Shane Mumford, Dylan Shiel, Stephen Coniglio
INT: Devon Smith, Lachie Whitfield, Jacob Hopper, Ryan Griffen
EMERG: Adam Tomlinson, Matt Kennedy, Matt Buntine

Oh boy......
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should we or anyone else even bother?
 
Jonesracing82 said:
should we or anyone else even bother?
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The Western Sydney supporters will fill the stadium, the AFL will be clinking champagne glssses as GWS plays in multiple GFs. Then just like Brisbane, the stadium will be empty when 'eventually' the pumping stops and they fall away.

We will continue to support though as Goliath can sometimes be taken down.
 
TigerImposter said:
Scary shit you're agreeing with me that our list is putrid after seven years of tinkering. Why are you so concerned about ten other clubs as this is a lthread about our best 22?
Actually look at the boys listed as emergencies I reckon they would be top ten in our side.
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More so then anything I just don't understand why there bench being in our top 10 is a problem. All are high draft picks
 
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Jonesracing82 said:
it's "quality" posts like this that make me wonder why i bother coming onto here at all....
thread bans have been mooted a few times for ppl derailing threads etc & bagging Dimma in a "best 22" thread should also come into consideration as well. after all there is a seperate Dimma thread which i would go in to if i wanted to see him being bagged etc.
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Pfft... Someone asked the question of match ups. And I'm well within my rights to respond last time I looked. It's called a public forum
 
I haven't seen in a best 22 in a while so I should (not bother too) through in my two cents with a lineup almost everyone has probably agreed on 50 pages in.

B: Grimes - Rance - Short
HB: Houli - Astbury - Markov
C: Martin - Cotchin - Miles
HF: Edwards - Griffiths - McIntosh
F: Rioli - Riewoldt - Lloyd
R: Hampson - Prestia - Caddy
Int: Vlastuin - Menadue - Grigg - C.Ellis

Emg: B.Ellis, T.Hunt, Nankervis

who knows: Lennon, Conca, Lambert, Batchelor, Drummond, Townsend, Elton, Castagna
 

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