Best 22 for the start of 2017?

[Wolftone]

Is Z Jones actually capable of playing outside? Was under the impression that he was similar to his older brother as a crash and bash style player.

Did you see the game the other night? He played inside outside mid and ran the ball beautifully. He has played the outside runner role as a backman and done it well. All he is doing is converting that run into attacking midfield run.

 

[Wolftone]

Yep I'd go with that too.

The issue now though is that if we go with those 7, which I'd prefer to see, our bench is going to be picked from like Cunningham, Marsh, Laidler, Florent, Foote or Rose (who has only played one NEAFL reserves game). Meaning we either pick even more defenders on the bench like Marsh or Laidler or we pick inferior players like Foote or underdone players like Rose. I mean our midfield/forward depth isn't great right now given our injuries are primarily to those kind of players (Rohan, Papley, Jack, Heeney). Plenty of options in defence, not as many for smaller/medium forwards/HF/wingmen.

Hayward and Cameron would have to be in the mix, using Bud as another mid running the ball forward. He is so dangerous when he does that and his long kicks for goal will be even better on the run.

 

[Wolftone]

No that positions mean much, but Buddy on the flank or pocket, what role do you see him having and how do you see the forward line functioning

Exactly the role he played last week. He played on the flank not at CHF. Reid took the CHF position and Tip or Chambers the FF. He drifted up to the centre and his disposal was pretty good. I think he can kick as many goals from the flank, especially as he prefers that wrong flank/pocket anyway to kick goals. He might even welcome Cale Hooker back.

 

[S120]

Hayward and Cameron would have to be in the mix, using Bud as another mid running the ball forward. He is so dangerous when he does that and his long kicks for goal will be even better on the run.

I wouldn't pick either of them. Hayward isn't ready and that is pretty clear to me. He'll be benefited by an extended run in the reserves. That could be the entire year and I'd be cool with it. He has so much physical development to make before he can be reasonably expected to contribute at senior level. Plenty of time.

Cameron we just don't need imo. I wouldn't want to go in with 3 ruckmen. Even with one stationed permanently at FF, we'd be too slow. Particularly if it's to rain as predicted.

 

[Punts]

No way would I play 3 rucks

Slow

With tried that shit before

 

[6yearsold]

I wouldn't pick either of them. Hayward isn't ready and that is pretty clear to me. He'll be benefited by an extended run in the reserves. That could be the entire year and I'd be cool with it. He has so much physical development to make before he can be reasonably expected to contribute at senior level. Plenty of time.

Cameron we just don't need imo. I wouldn't want to go in with 3 ruckmen. Even with one stationed permanently at FF, we'd be too slow. Particularly if it's to rain as predicted.

i agree with that assessment of cameron and to a lesser extent hayward. i watched the game again last night and thought hayward was really good with his pressure, tackling and getting difficult handballs away much in the same way that kennedy, hewett and hanners do. he got on the end of one from buddy but he also put one on buddy's chest inside the forward 50. i know he made a couple of mistakes but i compared his game to towers as they are both essentially playing for the same spot. i don't want to throw hayward to the lions but i'm starting to think he is almost ahead of towers already. it is a hard choice with all the injuries we have. if you think it will hurt his development to be picked too soon (jack watts) then i guess you have to go with towers.

 

[Dan87]

Hayward's second and third efforts looked pretty rapid fire. Horse has shown he'll give a 22 spot on elite pressure and good finishing even if they get 10 possies. And we have no mid sized forwards.

Haven't written him off for round 1, could be used in Rohan's spot

 

[Big Blood]

No way would I play 3 rucks

Slow

With tried that shit before

We've got Naismith, Tippett plus Reid. That's enough



B Smith Grundy Melican
HB Allir*(Marsh) Rampe Mills
C: Zak Hannebery Lloyd
HF: Hewett Franklin Reid
FF: Towers Tippett K Jack*(Foote)
R: Naismith JPK Parker

BENCH: Robinson, Florent Cunningham Laidler

If Allir is injured Marsh comes in. If Jack's injured I'll go for Foote.

 

[6yearsold]

We've got Naismith, Tippett plus Reid. That's enough



B Smith Grundy Melican
HB Allir*(Marsh) Rampe Mills
C: Zak Hannebery Lloyd
HF: Hewett Franklin Reid
FF: Towers Tippett K Jack*(Foote)
R: Naismith JPK Parker

BENCH: Robinson, Florent Cunningham Laidler

If Allir is injured Marsh comes in. If Jack's injured I'll go for Foote.

i don't understand these teams that include lloyd on the wing. he wasn't up to playing in the midfield and is now almost exclusively played at halfback. robinson, florent and cunningham would play on the wing. melican and laidler can't both be in the team. i would also maybe include hayward for towers. that leaves a spot on the bench which due to our injuries would go to foote or towers or both if jack is out.

 

[Wayne Swan]

Lets tackle this another way, who are your best 22 for R1, assuming the club blurb that Aliir & K Jack will be fit enough. No need to fit players to positions, we have sufficient to fill the critical posts of 2 x rucks, 2 x KPB etc, just who are the best 22, roughly in order so the debate ends up about the last 5-6 places.

1. Kennedy
2. Franklin
3. Hanners
4. Parker
5. Rampe
6. Mills
7. Aliir
8. Grundy
9. Tippett
10. Reid
11. Jones
12. K Jack
13. Naismith
14. Smith
15. Lloyd
16. Hewett IMO is the last player on this list that won't be debated
17. Cunningham
18. Towers
19. Robinson (breakout game last Sunday night)
20. Melican (last 4 games have been impressive)
21. Florent (shown enough class and toughness to debut)
22. Marsh (I'm still unconvinced)

Then it's back to players like Laidler given he has been overlooked in recent games, Foote who just hasn't done enough at senior level, ditto Edwards & Fox, Hayward looks promising but needs to bulk up. So above is my 22 for R1.

 

[caesar88]

Lets tackle this another way, who are your best 22 for R1, assuming the club blurb that Aliir & K Jack will be fit enough. No need to fit players to positions, we have sufficient to fill the critical posts of 2 x rucks, 2 x KPB etc, just who are the best 22, roughly in order so the debate ends up about the last 5-6 places.

1. Kennedy
2. Franklin
3. Hanners
4. Parker
5. Rampe
6. Mills
7. Aliir
8. Grundy
9. Tippett
10. Reid
11. Jones
12. K Jack
13. Naismith
14. Smith
15. Lloyd
16. Hewett IMO is the last player on this list that won't be debated
17. Cunningham
18. Towers
19. Robinson (breakout game last Sunday night)
20. Melican (last 4 games have been impressive)
21. Florent (shown enough class and toughness to debut)
22. Marsh (I'm still unconvinced)

Then it's back to players like Laidler given he has been overlooked in recent games, Foote who just hasn't done enough at senior level, ditto Edwards & Fox, Hayward looks promising but needs to bulk up. So above is my 22 for R1.

I see you've included Towers and Cunningham. Do you mean best 20?

 

[The King!]

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C. Kennedy
Hf. Franklin
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[elastic]

They didn't let him go, he was never on their list.

Unless you define that as not drafting anyone from your reserves side, like we did with Breust?

I consider Breust as an opportunity missed much like Rampe.

 

[elastic]

I do think they can play Aliir ,melican and grundy in the same side though

I really like the way Melican is tracking but if Aliir comes in I think they will select Marsh before him for a better balance. Melican will be a backup key defender at this stage.

 

[elastic]

No that positions mean much, but Buddy on the flank or pocket, what role do you see him having and how do you see the forward line functioning

I liked the way that both Buddy and Reid took turns leading up to the wing to present as an option. They both have pace and depending on their matchups will play higher up the ground. If there is a smaller defender on Reid then you hold him back as a marking forward. I think this system has the potential to work well.

 

[elastic]

i agree with that assessment of cameron and to a lesser extent hayward. i watched the game again last night and thought hayward was really good with his pressure, tackling and getting difficult handballs away much in the same way that kennedy, hewett and hanners do. he got on the end of one from buddy but he also put one on buddy's chest inside the forward 50. i know he made a couple of mistakes but i compared his game to towers as they are both essentially playing for the same spot. i don't want to throw hayward to the lions but i'm starting to think he is almost ahead of towers already. it is a hard choice with all the injuries we have. if you think it will hurt his development to be picked too soon (jack watts) then i guess you have to go with towers.

I think Towers will get the nod ahead of Hayward at this stage although Towers has not really excited me much in the preseason.

 

[elastic]

We've got Naismith, Tippett plus Reid. That's enough



B Smith Grundy Melican
HB Allir*(Marsh) Rampe Mills
C: Zak Hannebery Lloyd
HF: Hewett Franklin Reid
FF: Towers Tippett K Jack*(Foote)
R: Naismith JPK Parker

BENCH: Robinson, Florent Cunningham Laidler

If Allir is injured Marsh comes in. If Jack's injured I'll go for Foote.

I think that's spot on but I expect Marsh will play instead of Melican.

 

[Number37]

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C. Kennedy
Hf. Franklin
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Int

It's round 1, not the GF. Other blokes will turn up, I'm sure.

 

[stevie26]

I also think we have found (groomed) a good one in Melican. If a taller match up is required for Rd 1, Melican could get the nod over Marsh.

 

[Deccas]

i don't understand these teams that include lloyd on the wing. he wasn't up to playing in the midfield and is now almost exclusively played at halfback. robinson, florent and cunningham would play on the wing. melican and laidler can't both be in the team. i would also maybe include hayward for towers. that leaves a spot on the bench which due to our injuries would go to foote or towers or both if jack is out.

He was shifted to half back after Jones got injured, but he has played between halfback and wing every game so it's not unreasonable to put him there. The team sheet format doesn't really accommodate the kind of roles played in modern football so I don't really know why you're getting your knickers in a twist about that.

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[connolly]

I wouldn't pick either of them. Hayward isn't ready and that is pretty clear to me. He'll be benefited by an extended run in the reserves. That could be the entire year and I'd be cool with it. He has so much physical development to make before he can be reasonably expected to contribute at senior level. Plenty of time.

Cameron we just don't need imo. I wouldn't want to go in with 3 ruckmen. Even with one stationed permanently at FF, we'd be too slow. Particularly if it's to rain as predicted.

Cameron wouldn't be played as a ruckman - he would play full forward. Mat do some forward tap work. His presence pulls the third defender away from Buddy and Tippett and given that he actually holds his marks is a real threat to any defence. Against small defences such as GWS and Bulldogs he is an option.

 

[S120]

Cameron wouldn't be played as a ruckman - he would play full forward. Mat do some forward tap work. His presence pulls the third defender away from Buddy and Tippett and given that he actually holds his marks is a real threat to any defence. Against small defences such as GWS and Bulldogs he is an option.

Those two small defences in particular would rebound away from our forward line all day without much pressure though. That's my issue. Johanissen, Murphy, Wood, Boyd, Shaw, Williams, Wilson would revel.

 

[caesar88]

I reckon we need to come to terms with the fact our first few rounds will probably be non-reflective of how we'll do this year. It seems inevitable that one or a few of Towers, Cunningham, Foote, Hayward, Cameron or Laidler will be named, and ideally none are best 22. We'll be down our 2 best small forwards and an elite on-baller. I don't really care what the rd 1 side looks like. The team after rounds 3, 4 and 5 will be more important and more indicative.

 

[swansfan51]

I reckon we need to come to terms with the fact our first few rounds will probably be non-reflective of how we'll do this year. It seems inevitable that one or a few of Towers, Cunningham, Foote, Hayward, Cameron or Laidler will be named, and ideally none are best 22. We'll be down our 2 best small forwards and an elite on-baller. I don't really care what the rd 1 side looks like. The team after rounds 3, 4 and 5 will be more important and more indicative.

It is safe to assume that at any stage of the year we will be without 2-3 players at least. That's a conservative figure based off league averages and our history

 

[caesar88]

It is safe to assume that at any stage of the year we will be without 2-3 players at least. That's a conservative figure based off league averages and our history

True but i was also referring to the fact we have to replace two players from our grand final side. My point is it's going to take some tinkering with so i'm preparing for anything in the first few weeks.