Best Youth in the league - best teams in 3-5 years

[Xenthor]

I remember when I thought guys like Scully, Morton, gysberts, jurrah and blease were gunna lead us to a flag...

I don't even know what's going to happen this year let alone in 5 years time.

Most showed signs but at the time we were just a shit team And were relying on 18 year olds to get us of the bottom of the ladder, which was never going to work

 

[Doggstats]

So you discount Whitfields exposed form because it was in a weak side but then want to claim a run of 8 games in a side that is playing well and he wouldn't have got any attention...

Wilson corr Williams
Buntine Haynes Marchbank
Scully coniglio Whitfield
Kelly Cameron WHE
McCarthy Patton Tomlinson

Lobb Greene Shiel

Steele hopper M Kennedy Pickett

Nice try but I highly doubt a neutral supporter would take your Bulldogs team over this one


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What? Reading comprehension much? Where did I discount any of Whitfields form? I said because GWS was a weaker side/midfield, Whitfield got more midfield opportunity than Hunter who had to play as a small forward while waiting in line to get into a stronger and more experienced midfield.

Regarding your last sentence, again, reading comprehension much? Since when did discussing Whitfield vs Hunter become a Dogs vs GWS debate?

But since you want to go there, may I ask how did your 'super elite young talent' get smashed last year (113 vs 68, whilst missing Stringer,Crameri and Libba) by a less experienced team (ave games 68 vs 75, 9 players under 50 games to your 5) ?
Also, not only did you have more experienced players but it would be hard to argue that they weren't also of much higher quality: Ward, Mumford, Griffen, Shaw, Patfull vs Boyd, Murphy, Wood, Minson, Picken.

But hey, like I said before I think GWS have the most elite young talent in the comp. I guess their coach just sucks?

The Bulldogs finished bottom four in 2013 and only avoided the bottom four in 2014 due to percentage.

Yes, but we finished with 8 wins that year, whilst GWS had just 1. Hmm...I guess that made us a %800 better team?

 

[perplexed]

I was simply pointing out that all supporters do it. All well and good to throw stones at others but in every team's development cycle there comes a point where the output of youth is not measurable to the hype.

Those north players are prime examples throughout their careers, I used them because as a north supporter they are players you could clearly identify and analyse over their careers.

Fair enough. Good luck this year - except against us.

 

[Trav 20]

Yes, because a past recruiting regime drafted Gysberts, Toumpas, Blease, Strauss, Watts and Morton, the new batch in Hogan, Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Salem, Stretch, and Oliver will be consigned to the same dungheap.

Logic 101.

 

[Dogsman16]

So you discount Whitfields exposed form because it was in a weak side but then want to claim a run of 8 games in a side that is playing well and he wouldn't have got any attention...

Wilson corr Williams
Buntine Haynes Marchbank
Scully coniglio Whitfield
Kelly Cameron WHE
McCarthy Patton Tomlinson

Lobb Greene Shiel

Steele hopper M Kennedy Pickett

Nice try but I highly doubt a neutral supporter would take your Bulldogs team over this one


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I'd be somewhat inclined to agree with your argument that a neutral supporter would take GWS's young list over the dogs. I'd probably say from an external viewpoint would be 70/30 split in your favour if not more. Particularly if you weren't to take into consideration team setups, systems and tactics then on talent if you chose two random coaches to coach either side in an exhibition game then I think you would win on talent alone.

Johannisen, Collins, Adams
Biggs, Hamling, Webb
Hunter, Bontempelli, Macrae
Dahlhaus, Redpath, Stevens
Stringer, Boyd, McLean
Campbell, Liberatore, Wallis
Jong, Hrovat, Roberts, Daniel,

But having a look at both of the lists and taking into consideration that our young list has probably been more exposed particularly if you lined up both teams interchange benches then I think it would be closer than what neutral observers would suggest. I also think that a neutral supporter would choose Luke Beveridge over Leon Cameron to coach their respective football side. The western bulldogs team tactics/setups under Beveridge on evidence have yielded a larger success rate than GWS under Cameron. I think taking this into account that it would even this contest up to a large degree.

All well and good arguing the talent on each list but how they play and who they play for also has a large determination as to who is the better side.

 

[Roobound]

Most showed signs but at the time we were just a shit team And were relying on 18 year olds to get us of the bottom of the ladder, which was never going to work

My understanding is you were relying on 18 year olds to get you to the bottom of the ladder.

 

[rezagun]

No doubting gws, dogs etc.. But i think adelaide have a very solid core of young players who will be in their prime within 3-5 years. This is what the team would look like in 3 years imo.
B. Brown Talia Hartigan
Hb. Hampton Lever Laird
C. Milera MCrouch Smith
Hf. Betts Lynch Cameron
F. Menzel Walker Jenkins
R. Jacobs Sloane BCrouch
Int. Ellis yolmen, Knight, Atkins, Dear.
The only questionable player in that team would be betts. The exciting thing is we could actually see this team play this year.

 

[gbatman]

I find it difficult that Patrick Cripps would be absent from people's lists. Can't say that Carlton have a load of talent under 24. Many of them were drafted this year and are too young. Docherty, Kerridge and Weitering would be the other youth I would consider. Carlton will get there and certainly have the means to do it, especially if Weitering, Curnow, Cunningham, McKay, Silvagni etc all turn out.

GWS, Doggies and the Eagles have really good young players. I think Collingwood, Melbourne and The Gold Coast aren't too far off it either.

 

[jakson68]

There are quite a few good young talents on plenty of lists. I don't think Collingwood is far off in the way of young talent, in fact I believe across the field, we have plenty of good young players.
Age in brackets
B. Williams(22) - Marsh(20) - Maynard(19)
HB. Langdon(21) - Frost(24) - Aish(20)
C. Crisp(22) - De Goey(19) - Sidbottom(25 in January)
HF. Elliot(23) - Gault(23) - Broomhead(21)
F. Fasolo(23) - Moore(20) - Cox(24)
R. Grundy(21) - Adams(22) - Treloar(22)
Int. Witts(23) - Scharenberg(20) - Ramsey(21)- Oxley(23)
The oldest player is Sidbottom, who only just turned 25, I think our youth goes ok

 

[Sando22]

GWS for me.

 

[Dogsman16]

There are quite a few good young talents on plenty of lists. I don't think Collingwood is far off in the way of young talent, in fact I believe across the field, we have plenty of good young players.
Age in brackets
B. Williams(22) - Marsh(20) - Maynard(19)
HB. Langdon(21) - Frost(24) - Aish(20)
C. Crisp(22) - De Goey(19) - Sidbottom(25 in January)
HF. Elliot(23) - Gault(23) - Broomhead(21)
F. Fasolo(23) - Moore(20) - Cox(24)
R. Grundy(21) - Adams(22) - Treloar(22)
Int. Witts(23) - Scharenberg(20) - Ramsey(21)- Oxley(23)
The oldest player is Sidbottom, who only just turned 25, I think our youth goes ok

Very Very good rebuild. That list looks great. Midfield has stars and a bookend in the forward line with some firepower around him (Moore).

Collingwood will be particularly strong in coming seasons.

 

[DanWA]

definitely not the dockers while flog is there

I reckon' Pies, Dogs & GWS

 

[Kram]

definitely not the dockers while flog is there

I reckon' Pies, Dogs & GWS

 

[Scotland]

I wonder what the answers to the same questions were 3-5 years ago.

2005: top 4 Adelaide, West Coast, St Kilda, Sydney bottom 4: Essendon, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Carlton
2010: top 4 Collingwood, Geelong, St Kilda, Bulldogs bottom 4: Brisbane, Richmond, Essendon, West Coast
2015: top 4 Freo, West Coast, Hawthorn, Sydney bottom 4: Essendon, Gold Coast, Brisbane, Carlton

I like where Collingwood and the Bulldogs are heading, but even if they do have the best youth now there's every chance the best teams in 3-5 years will be the best teams currently.

 

[ManOfClay]

Not really sure you've worked out what you are on about. Three of those four players will most likely play 200 games at north. The other went nowhere..

Unfortunate Hansen is one of the players you mentioned. If he makes 200 then north are in trouble.

Very disappointing for a pick 3

 

[Frank Grimes]

The Western Bulldogs have just as much talented players under the age of 23 as Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney have right now.


Mitch Wallis 23 (mid)
Marcus Bontempelli 20 (mid)
Luke Dahlhaus 23 (fwd/mid)
Lachie Hunter 21 (mid)
Jake Stringer 21 (fwd)
Jackson Macrae 21 (mid)
Nathan Hrovat 21 (fwd)
Clay Smith 22 (mid)
Toby McLean 20 (mid)
Tom Boyd 20 (fwd)
Josh Dunkley 19 (mid)
Fletcher Roberts 22 (def)
Lukas Webb 20 (def)
Tom Liberatore 23 (mid)
Mitch Honeychurch 21 (fwd)
Koby Stevens 23 (fwd/mid)
Josh Prudden 21 (def)
Joel Hamling 22 (def)
Bailey Dale 19 (fwd)
Caleb Daniel 19 (fwd)
Jason Johannisen 23 (def)
Lin Jong 22 (mid)

I think the Bulldogs too. I believe it will be mainly the Bulldogs and GWS competing for the flag in 3-5 years time, with Collingwood a fair possibility too.

 

[rfctiger90]

Looks like I've stumbled into the Melbourne, GWS and Bulldogs youth pissing contest.

I'm so scared that all of your teams have such good youth. Good youth definitely means you'll be the best in 3-5 years. I hope Richmond can win a flag before then because according to you posters, in 3-5 years you'll be way too good.

 

[Colonial]

Looks like I've stumbled into the Melbourne, GWS and Bulldogs youth pissing contest.

I'm so scared that all of your teams have such good youth. Good youth definitely means you'll be the best in 3-5 years. I hope Richmond can win a flag before then because according to you posters, in 3-5 years you'll be way too good.

Funny thing is. Giants fans havent been really in here.
We have others doing it for us

 

[Trav 20]

One would expect the clubs that have had access to most of the best youth will actually have the best youth. And it's not a badge of honour.

I reckon our team's top end talent in the youth stakes will be hard to beat: Hogan, Brayshaw, Oliver, Tyson, Salem, Viney, Petracca - but two of them are yet to play a solitary game.

I expect Petracca will be the best of this lot (excluding Hogan as you shouldn't compare kpps with mids).

But as mentioned, clubs only have access to such talent if they've been rubbish. All of the players I've listed are top 10 draft picks (including the bidding system).

 

[Bulldog1954]

Looks like I've stumbled into the Melbourne, GWS and Bulldogs youth pissing contest.

I'm so scared that all of your teams have such good youth. Good youth definitely means you'll be the best in 3-5 years. I hope Richmond can win a flag before then because according to you posters, in 3-5 years you'll be way too good.

You must have been surprised to find people posting about their youth in a thread entitled "Best youth in the league".

 

[Randy Campbell]

We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope. : Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[Kermit]

Yes, because a past recruiting regime drafted Gysberts, Toumpas, Blease, Strauss, Watts and Morton, the new batch in Hogan, Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Salem, Stretch, and Oliver will be consigned to the same dungheap.

Logic 101.

Logic 102- if you are going to include Toumpas as the past recruiting regime, then you have to include Hogan too. Same regime- see how that works ;-)

Seriously do rate the list you are building though after some drafting you would like to forget (we have had a few patches like that in our past too).

 

[Jordie_tackles]

definitely not the dockers while flog is there

I reckon' Pies, Dogs & GWS

Really like the dockers recruiting and young talent lately. Weller, Blakely, Langdon, tucker, Balic

 

[Pessimistic]

Can anyone reference a similar thread from 3-5 years ago?

If you didnt have the hawks in your list, you dont football

 

[matey]

Hawks draft of 2015 will go down as a great one in picking up two quality mids in Lovell and Hardwick and a gun forward in Burton! Hawks are building for the future.