Bigman’s Training Reports

[WaynesWorld19]

So what your saying is - is that Laird is fast and a reliable kick ?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Always felt like he lacked body strength to me. I know most would disagree and show photos of him being ripped and muscular. But felt he lacked ability to physically assert himself as a mid, albeit not through a lack of trying.

There was a Chayce Jones tackle in the goal square, in is first season .....was magnificent ....strength hasn't been an issue ....what Jeffcrowe has outlined nails it perfectly

 

[1970crow]

The thing that sets Milera apart - and has all his career - is his evasiveness and willingness to take on the opposition. There aren't many better at getting out of a jam.

There also aren't many better at being injured all the time.

Milera is almost peerless when it comes to getting out of a jam. Where he lets his talents down is that he very rarely runs and carries despite being exceptionally quick. And he too often doesn't expand his view and limits himself to short targets.

 

[bigman]

Today was another day of match sim, consisting of two quarters running about 25 minutes long. There was a fair wind coming from the south which made things a bit sloppy at times but there was enough to take out of it.

Once again teams were very lopsided, with a clear A and B team in the first quarter. Things were evened up a bit in the second term but there was still a noticeable divide. Personally I would prefer to see much more even teams, particularly as the forward line for the B side was a graveyard at times. They’d have their reasons but I’m not a fan.

I also noticed late in both quarters the scoreboard would be heavily adjusted to make them close, obviously working on a bit of match scenario. Not sure the game style changed a whole lot other than the team in front being a bit more conservative and playing tempo footy.

Cumming was a no show, not even in the rehab group which was interesting. Very possible he was doing work inside. Im not surprised he didn’t partake in the match sim but thought he would’ve joined Pedlar and Murray on the sidelines for running at least. Perhaps he was simply given a session off.

Draper and Welsh were also absent. My first thought was that they may be doing the annual AFLPA gig in Melbourne for the first year players? Otherwise I’m not sure.

To make up the numbers a few SANFL squad members joined today, including Drury after a couple sessions off. I thought Ned Atkinson was one of the more impressive of the bunch, bit scrappy by foot but he’s a handy player.

Teams for the first quarter were as follows:

Blue (A team)
FB: Michalanney Keane Bond
HB: Milera Laird Hinge
_C: Sholl Rankine Soligo
HF: Keays Rachele Neal-Bullen
FF: Thilthorpe Fogarty Walker
_R: O’Brien Dawson Crouch
INT: Curtin Peatling Worrell

White (B team)
FB: Butts Borlase Nankervis
HB: Edwards Ryan Smith
_C: Jones Berry Cook
HF: Murphy Taylor McDonald
FF: Atkinson Burgess Gallagher
_R: McAndrew Schoenberg Dowling
INT: Drury Thomas Coleman

Unsurprisingly it was a bit of a bloodbath early on, though the white team did eventually find some rhythm and finished the quarter ok.

Not a heap of surprises with selection, though Milera over Nankervis I’m not sure about. Let’s hope we don’t repeat the same mistake of last year. Bond in the A team was also interesting though not a shock. Obviously there was no Murray or Cumming who would both come into that side, Draper possibly as well.

Positionally it was pretty much as expected although, unlike Friday, Dawson had bulk CBAs while Soligo played wing. Hope Soli doesn’t spend too much time out there as he is a natural stoppage player.

Goals were Keays 2, Rachele 2, Neal-Bullen, Dawson.

Second quarter teams were as follows:

Blue
FB: Bond Butts Nankervis
HB: Smith Ryan Edwards
_C: Sholl Rankine Soligo
HF: Murphy Rachele Neal-Bullen
FF: Thilthorpe Fogarty Walker
_R: O’Brien Dawson Crouch
INT: Curtin Peatling Worrell

White
FB: Borlase Keane Michalanney
HB: Milera Laird Hinge
_C. Jones Berry Dowling
HF: McDonald Cook Keays
FF: Atkinson Burgess Gallagher
_R: McAndrew Schoenberg Taylor
INT: Drury Coleman Thomas

With an improved backline the White team became a bit harder to score against and held their own around the ball, but really struggled to find avenues to goal once inside forward 50.

Goals were Thilthorpe 2, Rankine 2, Rachele, Walker

Unlike Friday where Rankine put on a clinic, there were no absolute standouts today but instead a bunch of solid performers - to my eye the better players were Rankine, Dawson, Rachele and Sholl while Schoenberg, Berry and Cook were the best for the white team.

Some player thoughts:

Berry - even against our prime mids he was too strong in the body at times to bring down. Ball use was a bit scrappy in congestion, though fumbles were kept to a minimum.

Curtin - actually didn’t attend a CBA, instead played as a high forward coming off the bench. Did a few nice things but also dropped a couple of marks he should have taken and I would’ve hoped for a bit more impact.

Thilthorpe - misjudged the ball in the air a few times, mind you the wind didn’t help. On the deck however he was typical Filthy - super clean and smart. He’s seriously clever when he gets it.

Rachele - very productive and worked hard up and down the ground for his ball. Kicked the three goals but pushed up high to get involved in transition as well. No mid clock however.

Edwards - barely touched it on the white team, on the blue side however he got his hands on it more and hit some lovely risky kicks, including a beautiful pass to Thilthorpe in the corridor which led to a goal.

Dawson - still our best mark around the ground and I thought his clearance work was great today. Was light on his feet and drove his legs from the contest. In fine form at present.

Cook - one of the few white team players who still got involved even when the blue side was all over them. Once again appeared to relish being on a wing, took a couple nice marks as well.

Ryan - bit up and down. Took a lovely intercept grab and provided some nice drive off half back, but also dropped a couple marks he should’ve taken including one that should have cost a goal if not for Gallagher spraying the shot.

Rankine - not as dominant as Friday but still doing some very special things in that midfield. He’s toying with some of the lads at times such is his confidence at the moment.

Schoenberg - best player for the white team in my view. Hard at the coal face and has added some real strength to break tackles. Overlap run was good too. Hard not to be impressed with him at the moment.

Nankervis - similar to Edwards, found it tough going for the white team but really asserted himself after changing sides. Did one run out of defence that really caught the eye. Hope he’s not being forgotten about again - he’s too good not to be in our best side.

Bond - one or two turnovers kicking into the wind but I can’t help but be impressed by this lad’s improvement. He barely touched it last summer - not the case today and the fact he was in the A team says a lot. Not sure he’s a lock for round one but must be closer than I previously thought.

Mcandrew - whilst not dominant I thought he got the better of rob today. Won more hit outs and offered just as much if not more around the ground. We’re talking about a bloke who will likely be playing for the Legs - starting to get a bit concerned about how rob is travelling.

Any questions feel free to ask.

 

[1970crow]

As far as inside mids go Matt Crouch's kicking is perfectly fine.

Of 62 mids with a contested possession ratio of 40% and above, Matt ranks 25th for kicking efficiency. Sam Berry ranks 13th off a higher contested ratio. But this is where stats are misleading, I'd much rather be leading at Crouch than Berry. There's a big difference between kicking the ball successfully to a contest and hitting up an actual teammate.

 

[1990crow]

Today was another day of match sim, consisting of two quarters running about 25 minutes long. There was a fair wind coming from the south which made things a bit sloppy at times but there was enough to take out of it.

Once again teams were very lopsided, with a clear A and B team in the first quarter. Things were evened up a bit in the second term but there was still a noticeable divide. Personally I would prefer to see much more even teams, particularly as the forward line for the B side was a graveyard at times. They’d have their reasons but I’m not a fan.

I also noticed late in both quarters the scoreboard would be heavily adjusted to make them close, obviously working on a bit of match scenario. Not sure the game style changed a whole lot other than the team in front being a bit more conservative and playing tempo footy.

Cumming was a no show, not even in the rehab group which was interesting. Very possible he was doing work inside. Im not surprised he didn’t partake in the match sim but thought he would’ve joined Pedlar and Murray on the sidelines for running at least. Perhaps he was simply given a session off.

Draper and Welsh were also absent. My first thought was that they may be doing the annual AFLPA gig in Melbourne for the first year players? Otherwise I’m not sure.

To make up the numbers a few SANFL squad members joined today, including Drury after a couple sessions off. I thought Ned Atkinson was one of the more impressive of the bunch, bit scrappy by foot but he’s a handy player.

Teams for the first quarter were as follows:

Blue (A team)
FB: Michalanney Keane Bond
HB: Milera Laird Hinge
_C: Sholl Rankine Soligo
HF: Keays Rachele Neal-Bullen
FF: Thilthorpe Fogarty Walker
_R: O’Brien Dawson Crouch
INT: Curtin Peatling Worrell

White (B team)
FB: Butts Borlase Nankervis
HB: Edwards Ryan Smith
_C: Jones Berry Cook
HF: Murphy Taylor McDonald
FF: Atkinson Burgess Gallagher
_R: McAndrew Schoenberg Dowling
INT: Drury Thomas Coleman

Unsurprisingly it was a bit of a bloodbath early on, though the white team did eventually find some rhythm and finished the quarter ok.

Not a heap of surprises with selection, though Milera over Nankervis I’m not sure about. Let’s hope we don’t repeat the same mistake of last year. Bond in the A team was also interesting though not a shock. Obviously there was no Murray or Cumming who would both come into that side, Draper possibly as well.

Positionally it was pretty much as expected although, unlike Friday, Dawson had bulk CBAs while Soligo played wing. Hope Soli doesn’t spend too much time out there as he is a natural stoppage player.

Goals were Keays 2, Rachele 2, Neal-Bullen, Dawson.

Second quarter teams were as follows:

Blue
FB: Bond Butts Nankervis
HB: Smith Ryan Edwards
_C: Sholl Rankine Soligo
HF: Murphy Rachele Neal-Bullen
FF: Thilthorpe Fogarty Walker
_R: O’Brien Dawson Crouch
INT: Curtin Peatling Worrell

White
FB: Borlase Keane Michalanney
HB: Milera Laird Hinge
_C. Jones Berry Dowling
HF: McDonald Cook Keays
FF: Atkinson Burgess Gallagher
_R: McAndrew Schoenberg Taylor
INT: Drury Coleman Thomas

With an improved backline the White team became a bit harder to score against and held their own around the ball, but really struggled to find avenues to goal once inside forward 50.

Goals were Thilthorpe 2, Rankine 2, Rachele, Walker

Unlike Friday where Rankine put on a clinic, there were no absolute standouts today but instead a bunch of solid performers - to my eye the better players were Rankine, Dawson, Rachele and Sholl while Schoenberg, Berry and Cook were the best for the white team.

Some player thoughts:

Berry - even against our prime mids he was too strong in the body at times to bring down. Ball use was a bit scrappy in congestion, though fumbles were kept to a minimum.

Curtin - actually didn’t attend a CBA, instead played as a high forward coming off the bench. Did a few nice things but also dropped a couple of marks he should have taken and I would’ve hoped for a bit more impact.

Thilthorpe - misjudged the ball in the air a few times, mind you the wind didn’t help. On the deck however he was typical Filthy - super clean and smart. He’s seriously clever when he gets it.

Rachele - very productive and worked hard up and down the ground for his ball. Kicked the three goals but pushed up high to get involved in transition as well. No mid clock however.

Edwards - barely touched it on the white team, on the blue side however he got his hands on it more and hit some lovely risky kicks, including a beautiful pass to Thilthorpe in the corridor which led to a goal.

Dawson - still our best mark around the ground and I thought his clearance work was great today. Was light on his feet and drove his legs from the contest. In fine form at present.

Cook - one of the few white team players who still got involved even when the blue side was all over them. Once again appeared to relish being on a wing, took a couple nice marks as well.

Ryan - bit up and down. Took a lovely intercept grab and provided some nice drive off half back, but also dropped a couple marks he should’ve taken including one that should have cost a goal if not for Gallagher spraying the shot.

Rankine - not as dominant as Friday but still doing some very special things in that midfield. He’s toying with some of the lads at times such is his confidence at the moment.

Schoenberg - best player for the white team in my view. Hard at the coal face and has added some real strength to break tackles. Overlap run was good too. Hard not to be impressed with him at the moment.

Nankervis - similar to Edwards, found it tough going for the white team but really asserted himself after changing sides. Did one run out of defence that really caught the eye. Hope he’s not being forgotten about again - he’s too good not to be in our best side.

Dowling - couldn’t get near it unfortunately. Just seems to be having a hard time, hopefully he can turn it around before games start.

Bond - one or two turnovers kicking into the wind but I can’t help but be impressed by this lad’s improvement. He barely touched it last summer - not the case today and the fact he was in the A team says a lot. Not sure he’s a lock for round one but must be closer than I previously thought.

Mcandrew - whilst not dominant I thought he got the better of rob today. Won more hit outs and offered just as much if not more around the ground. We’re talking about a bloke who will likely be playing for the Legs - starting to get a bit concerned about how rob is travelling.

Any questions feel free to ask.

ROB getting beaten by McAndrew is what I saw from last week too.
Super concerning.

 

[KingChowder]

ROB getting beaten by McAndrew is what I saw from last week too.
Super concerning.

Not getting a ruck through the draft or trade was a really, really bad mistake by Reid.

 

[Golumless]

It was a bad pick. He never looked like an AFL midfielder. If they had known they'd be getting a half back, you think they'd spend that pick on him?

Half back? Yeah, they probably don't care if that's his end point when they pick him. Especially now as the game has moved to a point where the half back flank demands your best outside players as whether you have a good outside game or not is predicated by your ability to get the ball out of your backline with speed.

I think the only positions where a club would be disappointed if a 5-18 pick ended up in is a lock-down small or a defensive forward. The rest do demand a fair bit on the talent side, and most of football is about fitting in as many talented players as possible, so yeah, doubt it would have any influence. Unless of course, the hindsight extended to Charlie Curnow would be an absolute gun.

 

[1990crow]

Not getting a ruck through the draft or trade was a really, really bad mistake by Reid.

He just can't jump. For someone so fit and physically defined, it's genuinely strange.

 

[Mutineer]

Of 62 mids with a contested possession ratio of 40% and above, Matt ranks 25th for kicking efficiency. Sam Berry ranks 13th off a higher contested ratio. But this is where stats are misleading, I'd much rather be leading at Crouch than Berry. There's a big difference between kicking the ball successfully to a contest and hitting up an actual teammate.

Would you like me to give you a full list of "gun" mids with worse KE%, some far worse than Matt, let's start with the Brownlow medalists Patrick Cripps? Crouch is above average in terms of inside mids KE% which is the stat available via the AFL and Champion Data.

 

[jenny61_99]

So nothing to do with footy?

No, but you'd have to wonder if there are ANY footy smarts if they can't see that mistake... it means that he is observant. The others? Not so much.

 

[FR0GGY]

No, but you'd have to wonder if there are ANY footy smarts if they can't see that mistake... it means that he is observant. The others? Not so much.

I didn’t see it so not really sure what the questions were.
Just to clarify I’m not suggesting he’s dumb.

 

[GROTTO]

Not getting a ruck through the draft or trade was a really, really bad mistake by Reid.

We laid the foundation of this mistake by keeping Smith on the list, which would have created a list spot for us to draft/trade for one.

 

[1970crow]

Would you like me to give you a full list of "gun" mids with worse KE%, some far worse than Matt, let's start with the Brownlow medalists Patrick Cripps? Crouch is above average in terms of inside mids KE% which is the stat available via the AFL and Champion Data.

Do what you want, I'm just posting the stats as they appear and even went as far as to say they're misleading because I'd rather lead at Crouch than Berry, who has a higher kicking efficiency despite higher contested %. You probably need to relax when you read posts about Matt, they're not all having a crack even if it appears that way to begin with.

 

[Mostyn]

Will never forget that sequence of games between his last game as a Rookie where he had a great performance against the dogs (18 touches, 2 goals and a speccy). Then all offseason looked like he was gonna be the bursting mid out of stoppages that we were crying for.

Then when the season started he was so over instructed to develop his defensive game that he would line up at centre bounces with his back to the ruckman, and facing his opponent. And ended up with multiple games with single digit disposals as a midfielder. Completely nullifying all his natural game and emphasising all his insecurities.

I think that offseason set him back 3 years.

Honestly, I'd agree.

 

[Jarman3]

He just can't jump. For someone so fit and physically defined, it's genuinely strange.

He'll be 30 this year and has been carrying pretty close to 100% of the ruck load for the past 6 seasons. I suspect his body has probably had nearly enough. Sam Jacobs was the same in his last couple of seasons - he just could not get off the ground. You'd watch him at a centre bounce and he'd be positioning himself to try and get some body on opposition ruckmen who were able to get a bit of a run up and just jump over the top of him.

 

[Mostyn]

We laid the foundation of this mistake by keeping Smith on the list, which would have created a list spot for us to draft/trade for one.

Yep, that's the only blemish on the off season.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

I’m just looking forward to Matt starting the year feeding our mids as he finished last year.
Two things I want from my main accumulator is to gather hitout or if the ball hits the deck
win the hard ball get.
His last 4 games after returning from injury had him second and fifth in the AFL.

Yes he is that good when fit .

 

[Mutineer]

He'll be 30 this year and has been carrying pretty close to 100% of the ruck load for the past 6 seasons. I suspect his body has probably had nearly enough. Sam Jacobs was the same in his last couple of seasons - he just could not get off the ground. You'd watch him at a centre bounce and he'd be positioning himself to try and get some body on opposition ruckmen who were able to get a bit of a run up and just jump over the top of him.

And all the more reason we should always have a back up that is at least 3 - 4 years younger and a young developing ruck on our list. ROB is actually the only ruck we've developed in the last decade albeit drafted as a 19 year old off the rookie list.

Sorry I just don't get it re our list management.

 

[Ham]

Today was another day of match sim, consisting of two quarters running about 25 minutes long. There was a fair wind coming from the south which made things a bit sloppy at times but there was enough to take out of it.

Once again teams were very lopsided, with a clear A and B team in the first quarter. Things were evened up a bit in the second term but there was still a noticeable divide. Personally I would prefer to see much more even teams, particularly as the forward line for the B side was a graveyard at times. They’d have their reasons but I’m not a fan.

I also noticed late in both quarters the scoreboard would be heavily adjusted to make them close, obviously working on a bit of match scenario. Not sure the game style changed a whole lot other than the team in front being a bit more conservative and playing tempo footy.

Cumming was a no show, not even in the rehab group which was interesting. Very possible he was doing work inside. Im not surprised he didn’t partake in the match sim but thought he would’ve joined Pedlar and Murray on the sidelines for running at least. Perhaps he was simply given a session off.

Draper and Welsh were also absent. My first thought was that they may be doing the annual AFLPA gig in Melbourne for the first year players? Otherwise I’m not sure.

To make up the numbers a few SANFL squad members joined today, including Drury after a couple sessions off. I thought Ned Atkinson was one of the more impressive of the bunch, bit scrappy by foot but he’s a handy player.

Teams for the first quarter were as follows:

Blue (A team)
FB: Michalanney Keane Bond
HB: Milera Laird Hinge
_C: Sholl Rankine Soligo
HF: Keays Rachele Neal-Bullen
FF: Thilthorpe Fogarty Walker
_R: O’Brien Dawson Crouch
INT: Curtin Peatling Worrell

White (B team)
FB: Butts Borlase Nankervis
HB: Edwards Ryan Smith
_C: Jones Berry Cook
HF: Murphy Taylor McDonald
FF: Atkinson Burgess Gallagher
_R: McAndrew Schoenberg Dowling
INT: Drury Thomas Coleman

Unsurprisingly it was a bit of a bloodbath early on, though the white team did eventually find some rhythm and finished the quarter ok.

Not a heap of surprises with selection, though Milera over Nankervis I’m not sure about. Let’s hope we don’t repeat the same mistake of last year. Bond in the A team was also interesting though not a shock. Obviously there was no Murray or Cumming who would both come into that side, Draper possibly as well.

Positionally it was pretty much as expected although, unlike Friday, Dawson had bulk CBAs while Soligo played wing. Hope Soli doesn’t spend too much time out there as he is a natural stoppage player.

Goals were Keays 2, Rachele 2, Neal-Bullen, Dawson.

Second quarter teams were as follows:

Blue
FB: Bond Butts Nankervis
HB: Smith Ryan Edwards
_C: Sholl Rankine Soligo
HF: Murphy Rachele Neal-Bullen
FF: Thilthorpe Fogarty Walker
_R: O’Brien Dawson Crouch
INT: Curtin Peatling Worrell

White
FB: Borlase Keane Michalanney
HB: Milera Laird Hinge
_C. Jones Berry Dowling
HF: McDonald Cook Keays
FF: Atkinson Burgess Gallagher
_R: McAndrew Schoenberg Taylor
INT: Drury Coleman Thomas

With an improved backline the White team became a bit harder to score against and held their own around the ball, but really struggled to find avenues to goal once inside forward 50.

Goals were Thilthorpe 2, Rankine 2, Rachele, Walker

Unlike Friday where Rankine put on a clinic, there were no absolute standouts today but instead a bunch of solid performers - to my eye the better players were Rankine, Dawson, Rachele and Sholl while Schoenberg, Berry and Cook were the best for the white team.

Some player thoughts:

Berry - even against our prime mids he was too strong in the body at times to bring down. Ball use was a bit scrappy in congestion, though fumbles were kept to a minimum.

Curtin - actually didn’t attend a CBA, instead played as a high forward coming off the bench. Did a few nice things but also dropped a couple of marks he should have taken and I would’ve hoped for a bit more impact.

Thilthorpe - misjudged the ball in the air a few times, mind you the wind didn’t help. On the deck however he was typical Filthy - super clean and smart. He’s seriously clever when he gets it.

Rachele - very productive and worked hard up and down the ground for his ball. Kicked the three goals but pushed up high to get involved in transition as well. No mid clock however.

Edwards - barely touched it on the white team, on the blue side however he got his hands on it more and hit some lovely risky kicks, including a beautiful pass to Thilthorpe in the corridor which led to a goal.

Dawson - still our best mark around the ground and I thought his clearance work was great today. Was light on his feet and drove his legs from the contest. In fine form at present.

Cook - one of the few white team players who still got involved even when the blue side was all over them. Once again appeared to relish being on a wing, took a couple nice marks as well.

Ryan - bit up and down. Took a lovely intercept grab and provided some nice drive off half back, but also dropped a couple marks he should’ve taken including one that should have cost a goal if not for Gallagher spraying the shot.

Rankine - not as dominant as Friday but still doing some very special things in that midfield. He’s toying with some of the lads at times such is his confidence at the moment.

Schoenberg - best player for the white team in my view. Hard at the coal face and has added some real strength to break tackles. Overlap run was good too. Hard not to be impressed with him at the moment.

Nankervis - similar to Edwards, found it tough going for the white team but really asserted himself after changing sides. Did one run out of defence that really caught the eye. Hope he’s not being forgotten about again - he’s too good not to be in our best side.

Bond - one or two turnovers kicking into the wind but I can’t help but be impressed by this lad’s improvement. He barely touched it last summer - not the case today and the fact he was in the A team says a lot. Not sure he’s a lock for round one but must be closer than I previously thought.

Mcandrew - whilst not dominant I thought he got the better of rob today. Won more hit outs and offered just as much if not more around the ground. We’re talking about a bloke who will likely be playing for the Legs - starting to get a bit concerned about how rob is travelling.

Any questions feel free to ask.

Thanks again Bigman - can i ask, do you see much of Murray Davis at training and what his role/impact is like now Nicks is back?

 

[TryAnHit]

Of 62 mids with a contested possession ratio of 40% and above, Matt ranks 25th for kicking efficiency. Sam Berry ranks 13th off a higher contested ratio. But this is where stats are misleading, I'd much rather be leading at Crouch than Berry. There's a big difference between kicking the ball successfully to a contest and hitting up an actual teammate.

Crouch can also get the ball 35+ times tho.. Berry struggles to get in 20

 

[Vader]

And all the more reason we should always have a back up that is at least 3 - 4 years younger and a young developing ruck on our list. ROB is actually the only ruck we've developed in the last decade albeit drafted as a 19 year old off the rookie list.

Sorry I just don't get it re our list management.

Their argument is that rucks are easy to find via trade or FA, so there's little benefit in developing our own (i.e. we prefer to leech off the work done by other clubs).

Part of their reason for choosing not to develop our own is that, with only 1x SANFL team in which to play them, it's difficult to give them enough ruck time when we have more than 1 SANFL-based ruck on our list. This is one of the few areas where we were better off farming our players out to the various SANFL teams, rather than having all our players together.

Those are their arguments...

Personally, I don't buy their arguments at all. I don't believe in leeching off other clubs, and hoping that a decent option will appear right when we need to grab them. As for the second reason - if the other clubs can all make it work, despite being aligned with a single VFL club, then why can't Adelaide make it work?

 

[FR0GGY]

Will never forget that sequence of games between his last game as a Rookie where he had a great performance against the dogs (18 touches, 2 goals and a speccy). Then all offseason looked like he was gonna be the bursting mid out of stoppages that we were crying for.

Then when the season started he was so over instructed to develop his defensive game that he would line up at centre bounces with his back to the ruckman, and facing his opponent. And ended up with multiple games with single digit disposals as a midfielder. Completely nullifying all his natural game and emphasising all his insecurities.

I think that offseason set him back 3 years.

Can’t agree with that. Not sure why Chayce is the only one that’s received over coaching.
I think people need to realise that his level is what he’s put out the majority of his career.
He’s has more chances than anyone on the list over multiple coaches.

 

[Mutineer]

Their argument is that rucks are easy to find via trade or FA, so there's little benefit in developing our own (i.e. we prefer to leech off the work done by other clubs).

Part of their reason for choosing not to develop our own is that, with only 1x SANFL team in which to play them, it's difficult to give them enough ruck time when we have more than 1 SANFL-based ruck on our list. This is one of the few areas where we were better off farming our players out to the various SANFL teams, rather than having all our players together.

Those are their arguments...

Personally, I don't buy their arguments at all. I don't believe in leeching off other clubs, and hoping that a decent option will appear right when we need to grab them. As for the second reason - if the other clubs can all make it work, despite being aligned with a single VFL club, then why can't Adelaide make it work?

Then explain why successful clubs have and continue to do so like Geelong, Sydney and a lot of others as well?

I put up a list of the out of contract rucks the other day...very slim pickings and you'll pay a premium in draft capital to shake a highly promising youngster loose from a club that's put in serious time into their development.

By the looks Sam Draper is our only option if he doesn't re-sign with the Bombers but then again he's a RFA not a free agent and we'd most certainly take a big hit salary cap wise. Any way you spin it it's shit list management.

 

[Vader]

Then explain why successful clubs have and continue to do so like Geelong, Sydney and a lot of others as well?

Did you read the last paragraph? I made exactly the same point.

I put up a list of the out of contract rucks the other day...very slim pickings and you'll pay a premium in draft capital to shake a highly promising youngster loose from a club that's put in serious time into their development.

Yep... which seriously puts into question their first assumption.

By the looks Sam Draper is our only option if he doesn't re-sign with the Bombers but then again he's a RFA not a free agent and we'd most certainly take a big hit salary cap wise. Any way you spin it it's shit list management.

Pretty much.

You and I are in violent agreement on this one.