Bigman’s Training Reports

[Vader]

You don't need a developing ruck. You only need a ruck.

The issue comes if we can't get a ready to go ruck to replace ROB.

We need 2 really - 1 to replace ROB, and 1 to replace Strachan.

Both are out of contract at the end of the year. Strachan's contract shouldn't be renewed. ROB should be offered a contract, but may choose to exercise his FA rights - particularly if the rumours about him wanting to study in Melbourne are true.

 

[cmndstab]

Without wanting to derail the discusision... how TF do you manage to fit an apostrophe in the middle of his name?

It's Jones, not Jone's. To indicate possession, it would be Jones' (Jones's would be wrong, but at least it's close).

If you're writing your post on a smartphone it will often automatically add an apostrophe when a proper noun ends with s. Not always, but often enough.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The fact that our biggest shitfight on this site is about the ruck situation tells me our list has gotten a lot better.

Also haven't we been trying to recruit ready-to-go ruckmen only to end up being used to fatten their next contract at the current club? Grundy but also someone else wasn't there? Im not sure ruck was ever totally ignored but this site would've gone into full meltdown if we had fixed the ruck before the midfield and the keys

Did we go in for Rowan Marshall a few years back? Or am I imagining that

 

[Mutineer]

Did we go in for Rowan Marshall a few years back? Or am I imagining that

News to me?

Moyle and previously Witts before he re-signed with the Suns 2 contracts ago from memory.

 

[1970crow]

It's certainly a convenient argument more than a realistic one. A coach I don't like ruined a player.

Plus I agree, the biggest problem with Jones has always been Jones. We just didn't read the room and thought he was our savior in 2020, which is what led us into the career trajectory that he fell apart.

We can argue the cause, but he was very clearly mentally shot.

 

[Vader]

If you're writing your post on a smartphone it will often automatically add an apostrophe when a proper noun ends with s. Not always, but often enough.

Yeah... but Jone is not the end of a proper noun.

 

[PeterSalt]

Here's Murray .. hopefully of more use than the 1 most of us are familiar with on here

 

[1970crow]

What a stupid and insensitive thing to say ....how about you take the time and effort to inform the board

We can't discuss the training reports with the author?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Here's Murray .. hopefully of more use than the 1 most of us are familiar with on here

Good to see

Interesting that there's lots of direct interaction with players from him. So he's not just an "oversee the coaches" type but heavily involved at the coalface.

Shades of Dean Bailey about him? A footyhead who's been in the industry a long time.

 

[Mostyn]

The question is why have we kept Strachan on the list for 7 seasons if he's not even a capable backup? Why waste a list spot for that long on someone that couldn't cover for a ROB injury?

If we had swapped him for someone else once or twice in those 7 years maybe we find a ROB replacement by chance or put a bit more pressure on his spot

I don't disagree - but I think the club has felt Strachan WAS a capable backup through all that. He was the best ruckman in the best second tier comp.

Anyway, it probably made sense to rotate through the backups to see if one could be better than that, just like you've suggested.

 

[cmndstab]

Yeah... but Jone is not the end of a proper noun.

Jone is also a name.

 

[PeterSalt]

Good to see

Interesting that there's lots of direct interaction with players from him. So he's not just an "oversee the coaches" type but heavily involved at the coalface.

Shades of Dean Bailey about him? A footyhead who's been in the industry a long time.

Yep .. tbh I don't really know what I expected and didn't pay a huge amount attention to his appointment

I guess I'm now just hoping he has a positive impact across the entire football department

 

[George Kramer]

I don't disagree - but I think the club has felt Strachan WAS a capable backup through all that. He was the best ruckman in the best second tier comp.

Anyway, it probably made sense to rotate through the backups to see if one could be better than that, just like you've suggested.

Is there a point in actually posting what the clubs opinion is over and over when we already know what it is?

The question isn’t “what is their opinion” it’s “is their opinion right?”

 

[Mutineer]

I don't disagree - but I think the club has felt Strachan WAS a capable backup through all that. He was the best ruckman in the best second tier comp.

Anyway, it probably made sense to rotate through the backups to see if one could be better than that, just like you've suggested.

They may well have, however it became obvious in our June 6th loss against Richmond where Strachan was getting pantsed by Nankervis that bad that he was subbed off and then on June 13 it became crystal clear he wasn't up to it when Grundy obliterated him. They had from that day onwards to take effective action with the list but did nought....and yet here we are with only ROB and no depth unless you call defender Borlase and forward Burgess ruck depth.?

 

[dylan123]

I'm tipping Chayce Jones to be very good this year

Chance to take out the SANFL B&F?

 

[Cromulant]

Chance to take out the SANFL B&F?

Don't think he'll play enough games to beat Schoenberg or Smith

 

[spenze]

Did we go in for Rowan Marshall a few years back? Or am I imagining that

I reckon last year or the year before, Marshalls agent let it slip we were interested, which was probably a smart ruse to scare the Saints to offer more money, after all, we don't have a ruck so we should be in the market for one.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Here's Murray .. hopefully of more use than the 1 most of us are familiar with on here

Aside from the part where Godden talked to him, that was all pretty encouraging.

 

[Thylacinus]

No training Friday Four day break

Probably explains why a lot of work was being done on the Oval at West Lakes yesterday.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Aside from the part where Godden talked to him, that was all pretty encouraging.

Stock standard for any coach at training

 

[1970crow]

They may well have, however it became obvious in our June 6th loss against Richmond where Strachan was getting pantsed by Nankervis that bad that he was subbed off and then on June 13 it became crystal clear he wasn't up to it when Grundy obliterated him. They had from that day onwards to take effective action with the list but did nought....and yet here we are with only ROB and no depth unless you call defender Borlase and forward Burgess ruck depth.?

He was subbed off due to a groin issue against Richmond, it was part of the broadcast and in the club's injury report back then. We know you don't like him, but no need to make up stories. The funny thing with him is he played a couple of games 2 seasons prior and fitness didn't seem a concern, but 2 years later and he's cooked half way through a second quarter. How has he been allowed to go backwards under the control of Burgess?

He really has had an interesting career, when we finally lose patience with ROB phoning it in, Strachan gets a couple of games but it's always a very tough assignment. Grundy in top form, Nankervis, the Big O, Ryder/Marshall combo, Gawn/Jackson combo and 2 rounds against Goldy. Probably why he's happy to stick around and just play SANFL.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Stock standard for any coach at training

I was joking you goober.

 

[Mutineer]

He was subbed off due to a groin issue against Richmond, it was part of the broadcast and in the club's injury report back then. We know you don't like him, but no need to make up stories. The funny thing with him is he played a couple of games 2 seasons prior and fitness didn't seem a concern, but 2 years later and he's cooked half way through a second quarter. How has he been allowed to go backwards under the control of Burgess?

He really has had an interesting career, when we finally lose patience with ROB phoning it in, Strachan gets a couple of games but it's always a very tough assignment. Grundy in top form, Nankervis, the Big O, Ryder/Marshall combo, Gawn/Jackson combo and 2 rounds against Goldy. Probably why he's happy to stick around and just play SANFL.

LOL

This is the bloke that shitcans and I mean really really shitcans blokes like Sloane and Laird having a shot at me.

How can he go backwards when he's never really shown he has AFL endurance, unless you consider SANFL at that level.

Ahhhh so it's down to Darren Burgess....OK got ya.

 

[skam85]

Strachan gets 2 games against Nankervis and Grundy!! 2 of the premier ruckmen.
So still doesn't actually get a decent shot of proving himself.

two of the premier ruckman about 6yrs ago.

Strachan could barely run out a half let alone a full game.

 

[skittlebrew]

Look, that may all be true.

I think the only thing we probably disagree on is - I don't think they feel it's been a big issue.

No, I still (almost entirely) agree with that. Definitely earlier on they could not have cared less and genuinely thought Strachan was an option. And that they were being smart saving a list spot/s by not have too many rucks. And to be fair it worked.

The last few years I think they had plans to trade or draft that failed. I think they got too cutesy and wanted something for nothing or misread the room. 3 years ago no biggie, they can get one next year. Then they missed out on picking one up again, and... again. Now their hand has been forced. Make no mistake their own narrative of the events would be that this was their plan all along.

ROB is turning 30 this year and has played 17 games or more for the last 6 seasons. Watch my complete lack of surprised if he gets a significant injury anytime soon. Obviously capable of playing well into his thirties but if it occurs when we're in the window that's going to be an issue. We need an alternative that could make a contest like Fort did in the granny.