List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Soapy V]

Haynes is a free hit and I’m hoping it’ll free kemp to move forward but we still need to address the KPD role.

Not sure what to make of Houston. Is that a high priority need at this stage??

We can get excited by good players like Houston & Petracca BUT it's a big risk and its' almost putting all your eggs in one basket.

I like the way the Hawks have buit and quite quickly. Draft picks and targeted cheap trades along with some start recruiting with names like Newcombe.

We have brought in Williams, McGovern, Saad all on big deals. While they have been okay they haven't been game changers. Paying first round picks and big money you need to be a game changer

Our best and most important players like Walsh Weitering Charlie McKay Cripps TDK were all draft picks

 

[bigm386]

We traded in Newman, Acres and Hewett for cheap.

All are best 22 players.

We spent up to get Cerra and Saad. Saad great Cerra some red flags.

I think the cheap value approach makes way more sense.

Plenty of other examples around the league of big trades going pear shaped. Lachie Shultz for a top 10 pick and change....

 

[Accidental genius]

We can get excited by good players like Houston & Petracca BUT it's a big risk and its' almost putting all your eggs in one basket.

I like the way the Hawks have buit and quite quickly. Draft picks and targeted cheap trades along with some start recruiting with names like Newcombe.

We have brought in Williams, McGovern, Saad all on big deals. While they have been okay they haven't been game changers. Paying first round picks and big money you need to be a game changer

Our best and most important players like Walsh Weitering Charlie McKay Cripps TDK were all draft picks

Yeah I agree.

Young hungry players energise the group too…as we saw on Sunday.

 

[Soapy V]

Yeah I agree.

Young hungry players energise the group too…as we saw on Sunday.

Underrated point

 

[Stamos]

Hun

Moneyball: Carlton keeping fringe forward Matthew Owies in the dark on new deal, out of Houston race​

https://archive.md/e3q35

 

[blues4flag]

Can we see Kemp forward more than one game against the worst side of the last 3 years before we shop around Harry at CHB? Don't get me wrong, he was excellent Sunday, but need to see more of it before we decide to move a Coleman medalist into the backline.

Not sure it matters. Even if Kemp's ceiling is 1.5-2 goals per game, we're still probably ahead. We've got enough threats up forward without Harry, whereas we're leaking goals every week due to lack of a genuine second tall.

You don't need an elite forward line to win a premiership - you absolutely do need an elite defence.

 

[Crippa#9]

Haynes is a free hit and I’m hoping it’ll free kemp to move forward but we still need to address the KPD role.

Not sure what to make of Houston. Is that a high priority need at this stage??

Completely agree with your Haynes & Kemp thoughts.

Also agree with your thoughts on Houston. Is he that much of a 'need'?

Yes, a very good player but surely we have more pressing needs such as a young KPD, a speedy midfielder & a goalkicking small/medium forward before overspending on another player like Houston?

Feels like we're falling in love with the first player to blow us a kiss.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

The immediate need for the list I would think is a second genuine key defender and a midfielder with pace. Behind that maybe a gun small forward.

Overpaying to pry out a contracted back flanker would not be the right play.
Only a rumour so I won't put too much weight to it, but I feel it would be a dumb move.

 

[myblueroan]

The immediate need for the list I would think is a second genuine key defender and a midfielder with pace. Behind that maybe a gun small forward.

Overpaying to pry out a contracted back flanker would not be the right play.
Only a rumour so I won't put too much weight to it, but I feel it would be a dumb move.

Are the Campo boys any good?
Do they want to play for Carlton?
How does dad feel about Carlton?

Asking as we have many average /good players. How is their durability?
Imho THE most important question we can ask for any new picks to our club.

Hi player x.
Can you tell us about your hammies?
DO you ever feel a twinge when playing?

Jokingnotjoking.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

More trades like Blacres, Hewett please..... guys who are best 22 at current club but are getting squeezed out by salary cap/team balance. (Elijah Hollands trade also a masterstroke, but we got lucky there on price).

None of this 2 x firsts rubbish. Players rarely end up worth the price.... Especially not for a 27yo. That's what free agency is for.

Also need some more kids & build up our VFL program.

The goal at the start of this rebuild was sustained success.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

The Houston pick up isn't too bad if we only give up a. Future pick, but if we trade out of this draft I'll be fairly annoyed with Austin & co. Maybe Owies pick if he's traded chucked in there too.

Houston
Haynes
J.Berry

I could live with that

 

[Coops93]

Given up a first rounder and second rounder is way overs in my opinion given his age. Bailey Smith at 23 is looking at a mid first rounder to get a deal done. I'd prefer to target Miles Bergman.

I agree, I said that a pick around 10 straight up would be about right. The rest is negotiation. I'd be willing to be a little overs, which in the end is just a swap of 2nd for 3rd next year, a year when we have NGAs so may not need the higher end picks as much.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Ports first pick is around 37 atm.

Would offer our R1 this year flat as our best offer… a mid first rounder is about right even contracted.

Should have loaned them O’Farrell last night and called it square…..

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Are the Campo boys any good?
Do they want to play for Carlton?
How does dad feel about Carlton?

1 is good, the other is meh - terrible footskills.

They also apparently have a habit of absolutely ripping into their teammates real bad. Not in a good competitive way either.

 

[Accidental genius]

Completely agree with your Haynes & Kemp thoughts.

Also agree with your thoughts on Houston. Is he that much of a 'need'?

Yes, a very good player but surely we have more pressing needs such as a young KPD, a speedy midfielder & a goalkicking small/medium forward before overspending on another player like Houston?

Feels like we're falling in love with the first player to blow us a kiss.

Maybe voss has a strong connection and wants him?

Malthouse wanted daisy and we lost betts

daisy was injured but still coaches having a strong connection to players from firmer club

Hopefully it’s not that.

 

[mochacinolatte]

1 is good, the other is meh - terrible footskills.

They also apparently have a habit of absolutely ripping into their teammates real bad. Not in a good competitive way either.

They just need to get humbled, I am sure Cripps will give them a lesson and bring them down to earth.

 

[myblueroan]

1 is good, the other is meh - terrible footskills.

They also apparently have a habit of absolutely ripping into their teammates real bad. Not in a good competitive way either.

Well what's with the compulsion to have both? Are we collecting sets?

So not well brought up
..low eq? Or immature emotionally....how would that impacr our group?

Would other clubs want either of them?(is either player rated outside of Carlton?)

Could those picks be money better spent?

 

[mochacinolatte]

I get the Haynes rumour, just a solid 2nd defender in which we really need till we either recruit/draft a long term prospect.

I guess Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

makes sense since most of our HB can't stay on the park.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

They just need to get humbled, I am sure Cripps will give them a lesson and bring them down to earth.

Rubbish. They are high standard players, teammates trying to be heroes warrants a spray sometimes, never watched a game they've played and thought they were doing anything but show leadership and directing teammates etc

 

[RAPPA]

They just need to get humbled, I am sure Cripps will give them a lesson and bring them down to earth.

Entering an AFL team environment and being surrounded by players that can run rings around you should be an appropriate Humbling experience

 

[ferrisb]

The goal at the start of this rebuild was sustained success.

Where in the world do we find that?

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

I’d give up 10 for a Houston and Josh Sinn combo.

I’d give up 10 and F2 for a Houston and Bergman combo.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Didn't see that. Bit surprised by that.

Didn’t actually rule it out in the end, just discussed the difficulty in meeting Ports demands.

 

[mochacinolatte]

Rubbish. They are high standard players, teammates trying to be heroes warrants a spray sometimes, never watched a game they've played and thought they were doing anything but show leadership and directing teammates etc

Fair enough, there is finding balanced showing leadership and being an outright dick spraying someone.

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Hun

Moneyball: Carlton keeping fringe forward Matthew Owies in the dark on new deal, out of Houston race​

https://archive.md/e3q35

Did Jon Ralph just report that Jack Martin is about to be offered another contract?

Carlton small forward Jack Martin is also set to receive a contract offer and while suitors had been keen on him he has broken down in two of the three games he has played this year.

As an aside, really irks me when people refer to Martin as a small forward.