Bluemour Melting Pot XIX - Give Me Ed Baby - Return of the Prodigal Son
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TDK won't be a slow developer and he will be a ruckman. If he gets fit he will play well in the role this season, might struggle with boundary throw-ins and around the field ball ups because he's lighter than some of the mature ones but I don't think that matters a whole lot.
A lot of ruckmen need to develop their bodies a lot and/or they are tall but poor footballers and they need to develop that. IMO DeKoning doesn't need to develop his body a whole heap more and his football skills are good. If he arrives next season really fit I think he'll really push Kreuzer. Particularly if he out rucks him and marks around the ground. DeKoning will be taller and possibly as heavy or close to it but younger and perhaps a better runner.
Either way I think having a ruckman who can go forward, who has good football skills, is athletic and can ruck will be very valuable to us. I would not want to hold him back at all if he's playing well.
Fingers crossed we can get all these small forward deals done. Betts will be handy but I think having him in a specialist coaching role will be really good. He does know the game and how to play forward. Can still kick a goal I would think. Only knock is whether the physical stuff is past him. Watching the finals, particularly the last quarter of GWS V Collingwood. It was really tough, crash in physical stuff. Not sure he has that sort of stuff and the elite chasing in him. Either way though it would be a step in the right direction to have him in a coaching type role and he will kick a few if we just leave him in the forward pocket and don't push his body too hard. Ultimately to win big games though we are going to need our forwards to apply elite pressure and stand up to hard physical football but perhaps we aren't quite there yet.
If there is an underlying trade for a mid that we have not heard about it's likely going to be a youngster who has not fully emerged yet who we rate. Yeah we have a few already but I would be all for using a future first round pick to get a young 19 or 20 year old we think is going to be really good and come on in 2020. Examples would be Oliver Florent, Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra, Tim Taranto and Jye Caldwell. Flash a bit of money and our future first pick around and you never know.
Think of it this way, we hold our future first and wait and gear up ready to trade two firsts for a gun mid. That player doesn't play for us until 2021 and costs big salary and two firsts. OR we throw our future first at a young player, yet to emerge who will be a gun player in 2021. Get them to us on lesser salary and keep a first rounder. It's more of a risk but there is more to gain and we aren't going to get our gun mid until 2021 anyway but at least we get them to the club a year earlier which is a bonus, but we need to get it right, they need to become a gun player. This is guess is where our recruiters earn the big bucks.
IMO Caldwell is probably a worthy target. GWS midfield seems deep and they seem all signed up for a while so he won't get a game for a while you wouldn't think. Victorian. Will be 19 next year. He's not the ready to go sure thing mature mid who also has many years ahead of him who will be a gun right away that we have our hearts set on getting but he's a youngster with year in the system and IMO would have to be a good candidate to come home. Especially if we offer a good contract.
There is always that possibility we don't make a move like this, gear up ready to dish off two first rounders and there is no one we can get so definitely worth considering a trade like this I think. We can hold next years first in the hope we can get a ready made star and we will have them in our side in 2021. But I think it's worth considering a youngster like Caldwell and what sort of footballer he will be in 2021. Get them a bit earlier and a bit cheaper or wait on the hope of snaring a sure thing.
If we made a move like this and use one of our firsts to recruit a young player who hasn't fully emerged yet and by 2021 they are playing really good footy then this is a massive win for us and so much better than waiting, not having the player on your list in 2020 and then spending big salary and two firsts for a player next year.
A lot of ruckmen need to develop their bodies a lot and/or they are tall but poor footballers and they need to develop that. IMO DeKoning doesn't need to develop his body a whole heap more and his football skills are good. If he arrives next season really fit I think he'll really push Kreuzer. Particularly if he out rucks him and marks around the ground. DeKoning will be taller and possibly as heavy or close to it but younger and perhaps a better runner.
Either way I think having a ruckman who can go forward, who has good football skills, is athletic and can ruck will be very valuable to us. I would not want to hold him back at all if he's playing well.
Fingers crossed we can get all these small forward deals done. Betts will be handy but I think having him in a specialist coaching role will be really good. He does know the game and how to play forward. Can still kick a goal I would think. Only knock is whether the physical stuff is past him. Watching the finals, particularly the last quarter of GWS V Collingwood. It was really tough, crash in physical stuff. Not sure he has that sort of stuff and the elite chasing in him. Either way though it would be a step in the right direction to have him in a coaching type role and he will kick a few if we just leave him in the forward pocket and don't push his body too hard. Ultimately to win big games though we are going to need our forwards to apply elite pressure and stand up to hard physical football but perhaps we aren't quite there yet.
If there is an underlying trade for a mid that we have not heard about it's likely going to be a youngster who has not fully emerged yet who we rate. Yeah we have a few already but I would be all for using a future first round pick to get a young 19 or 20 year old we think is going to be really good and come on in 2020. Examples would be Oliver Florent, Andrew Brayshaw, Adam Cerra, Tim Taranto and Jye Caldwell. Flash a bit of money and our future first pick around and you never know.
Think of it this way, we hold our future first and wait and gear up ready to trade two firsts for a gun mid. That player doesn't play for us until 2021 and costs big salary and two firsts. OR we throw our future first at a young player, yet to emerge who will be a gun player in 2021. Get them to us on lesser salary and keep a first rounder. It's more of a risk but there is more to gain and we aren't going to get our gun mid until 2021 anyway but at least we get them to the club a year earlier which is a bonus, but we need to get it right, they need to become a gun player. This is guess is where our recruiters earn the big bucks.
IMO Caldwell is probably a worthy target. GWS midfield seems deep and they seem all signed up for a while so he won't get a game for a while you wouldn't think. Victorian. Will be 19 next year. He's not the ready to go sure thing mature mid who also has many years ahead of him who will be a gun right away that we have our hearts set on getting but he's a youngster with year in the system and IMO would have to be a good candidate to come home. Especially if we offer a good contract.
There is always that possibility we don't make a move like this, gear up ready to dish off two first rounders and there is no one we can get so definitely worth considering a trade like this I think. We can hold next years first in the hope we can get a ready made star and we will have them in our side in 2021. But I think it's worth considering a youngster like Caldwell and what sort of footballer he will be in 2021. Get them a bit earlier and a bit cheaper or wait on the hope of snaring a sure thing.
If we made a move like this and use one of our firsts to recruit a young player who hasn't fully emerged yet and by 2021 they are playing really good footy then this is a massive win for us and so much better than waiting, not having the player on your list in 2020 and then spending big salary and two firsts for a player next year.
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If Betts does retutn I hope that people temper their expectations of him. The Betts of 2020 isn't the Betts of 2013/14.
I thought that was happening this year.
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You might be going back too far there.......Fevola, Kernahan and I'm sure a multitude of others including SOS since those two played.
If you exclude those two games, Eddie kicked 25 goals in 19 matches, good enough for second in our goalkicking...
He also kicked 11 goals in 7 games vs the top 6 teams - take out the two bags of zero vs Geelong and he had a pretty good record against good oppositin
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Thats where I get all my info from.
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Sounds like a german porno.I just meant that Twitter is the internet version of the public toilet. Piss and poop all over the place.
Any of our players kick 12 against Gold Coast or 37 for the season?
No but lynch would kick about 15 against us every year ...
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Not expecting him to kick 50, or even 37 for that matter, 30 would do me.
But those expecting Betts to be a spent force might want to remember people were saying similar things in 2013.
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And Eddie would get pretty good mail given who he is.
The three players mentioned, and last acquisitions of McGovern and Setterfield, will get us getting us there.
I'm expecting our 2020 trades all to be elite
Okay fair, I'll settle for Betts 2016/17 then.
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You'd have to think so, looking more and more likely. Fingers crossed
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Simon Beaumont in the first half?
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She'll be jumping out of her skin when she see's this.
Eddie will surprise many, should contribute between 25 to 35 goals in 2020, a very good mentor to the youngsters too, which has inestimable value.
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Always respected him as a real good player. Just went up a whole other level for burning them again
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Now this is a deal that I can get behind, especially given Sydney have an early second round pick.
My only concern would be if the second was immediately used to pay for this kind of trade, because Ross would cost overs. Good player but you're not going to get a fair price for him
I believe it would have been possible for us to draft Ross (or Tom Joyce), Bailey Williams and Fraser Turner last year... for the low low price of Mitch McGovern.
We would have been absolutely stacked coming into this year, and we wouldn't have lost much in terms of our 2019 results. Our ruck department would have been nicely set up to transition from Kreuzer and Levi to Williams and TDK as well. Instead, we have to solve the problem of BSOS, JSOS, Plowman, Marchbank and Macreadie, then there's the longshot in Finbar.
No but his output wasn't far off AA forward Charlie Cameron...in a supposedly down year on a dysfunctional team. More tackles, more goal assists which are key measures...half a goal less a game. He's still a top tier small forward
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