Bluemour Melting Pot XXIII

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Bluemour Melting Pot XXII

Does it worry anyone else that the guys who are in the high priced free agency wars seem to have pretty crap years after their mega-deal is done? Coniglio and Grundy haven't exactly set the world alight this year. Kelly hasn't seemed to become the next amazing midfielder that everyone thought...

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Bluemour Melting Pot XXVII

As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-file.1085141/ Rumour posters should post their rumours in both threads for those that like just to read rumours and for those that like to have get lost in their...

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It helps so much when you just don't have the time to read through this thread, cheers and great job.

 

[HBF]

Viney to play with his best mate Wines My imagination's running wild

OMG how good would that be.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

5 more weeks of this

The bright side is we’ve shaved 12 weeks minimum off the normal period we start dribbling on about trade targets


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[Funk]

Dodoro doesn't particularly worry me in this case. He has no hand here with Saad out of contract.

If Saad does want out they'll need to come to the table and be reasonable or they simply risk losing the player for nothing.

We'll enter negotiations in good faith of course, but we cannot and will not be hijacked by his rubbish. At the first sight of stalling we should simply do what St Kilda did last year with Fremantle, call their bluff and continue on our merry way with any other targets.

St Kilda got sh*t done last trade period, but most impressive was their work in dealing with Bell and Fremantle with regards to the Hill trade. Fremantle demanded a first round pick, so St Kilda simply traded down.

Saad situation will be interesting to observe.

Saad’s manager could threaten to take Saad to PSD (see J Martin) and take North’s over abundance of cash if Dodo makes idiotic demands.

i..e. Do reasonable deal with Blues or else

 

[J-dog]

Happy to trade Kennedy but his value would be low.

Dow, LOB are worth a lot more to us than they are to any other club. They're also contracted, so there's no need to move them on. Happy to let them develop for another year, be it at AFL or (hopefully) VFL level. They're both 20.

His value would be it's highest since we brought him in

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Setterfield and Viney would though. Same goes for Walsh and Williams to an extent.

Just personal opinion but that line up looks better from a balance perspective.

Viney to an extent. These guys don't do the strength work that Cripps and Wines do. They'll put their heads down in the trenches but they are not beasts in that regard. We have had Setters and Walsh already. They're not taking Crippa's place at the stoppages without us losing something. Williams is not that guy either.

 

[smashbox gill]

I'm the same. Sucks to be the sober one in here, but we've landed Williams early. He was the one. Great work team.

If we add ONE more quality player i will be impressed. I think we can do that btw. But ONE more will be great and all we need really.

It seems to me like either graham or Saad to add to Williams. That would be a job well done.

While also most likely keeping our first pick!

 

[Jeremias]

His value would be it's highest since we brought him in

Maybe, but we shouldn't pin our hopes on getting much for him.

 

[reubs1066]

Kemp

Take Cunningham out.
Better to put in Philp or Honey (or anyone else really)

Kemp

 

[HBF]

Vs Saad and Graham? Hell yes. The guy is elite. Slipped last year, but back again this year. He's the real Cripps support. A beast who does more than just go inside. I'd go 2 firsts for him.

So would I.
No problems whatsoever giving up 2 first rounders for him.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Draft & Trading Board - Soapy giving state of nation from his understanding

Just copy it in here...scary place outside of these walls


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[TerryWallet]

While also most likely keeping our first pick!

The beauty of the Free Agent get. (Williams).

 

[Brutalitops]

Injured since ??

From here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quinton-narkle.1247347/post-66859472

His problem now is he's more a mid than a forward and guys who can play better away from the middle (Close, Atkins, Fogarty, Simpson) have come in and done well. We also got Stewart back and Henderson has been excellent so we've moved Blicavs up to play on a wing. Steven's fitness has improved. So he's behind Ablett, Selwood, Dangerfield, Duncan, Steven, Guthrie, Blicavs, Menegola and Parfitt for midfield time which means he needs to play outside midfield and we prefer Close, Atkins and Fogarty as depth because they're more versatile. So he hasn't done much wrong but finds himself well outside the 22.

 

[Opine]

Saad situation will be interesting to observe.

Saad’s manager could threaten to take Saad to PSD (see J Martin) and take North’s over abundance of cash if Dodo makes idiotic demands.

i..e. Do reasonable deal with Blues or else

Key to strengthening a position when negotiating is to create as many alternatives as possible. In this instance, threatening to go to the draft is probably a crappy fallback because he'll likely have to take off interstate; he may not want that, been there done that etc. Dodo's clever and he'll know that. He'll seek to create other options in Vic. He'll likely find them. So its probably going to be a case of giving up slightly more than you'd like.

 

[Bluebag13]

Williams, Walsh, Fisher on the outside. We should be okay.

You keep forgetting Martin!

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[Eiffel 65]

From here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quinton-narkle.1247347/post-66859472

His problem now is he's more a mid than a forward and guys who can play better away from the middle (Close, Atkins, Fogarty, Simpson) have come in and done well. We also got Stewart back and Henderson has been excellent so we've moved Blicavs up to play on a wing. Steven's fitness has improved. So he's behind Ablett, Selwood, Dangerfield, Duncan, Steven, Guthrie, Blicavs, Menegola and Parfitt for midfield time which means he needs to play outside midfield and we prefer Close, Atkins and Fogarty as depth because they're more versatile. So he hasn't done much wrong but finds himself well outside the 22.

Rate him and think he would be a very good acquisition for us.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Port will ask for players

Not so sure about that.

Port are strong now. They will probably be more than happy to bring in some more high draft picks to make sure they're still strong in 3+ years.

 

[BigFrizz36]

My one and only reservation on Saad is Essendon and Dodo's asking price (if he nominates us)

And if he doesn't nominate us we never wanted him anyway.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Massive no thanks to Viney. We don't need a small, one dimensional plodder to add to our midfield.

Jack Graham makes way more sense. At least he is a man mountain. Also comes from a winning culture.

I'll spew if we pay up for Viney. Yuck.

Agreed. Not sold on Jack V although, you can never have enough Jacks. If he cheap and wants to come, the seconds will be better off one way or another.

 

[katmanblue]

Just thinking, if we got any of these midfielders that have been mentioned on this forum, (Williams, Wines, Viney, Graham etc) what's going to happen to our second tier middies, Dow, LOB, Stocker, Fish, Kennedy, & even Ed & Murph? Will they be used as trade bait?

That's really up to them. We aren't a nursery. Work hard and break into the side. Or don't.

We can't not get an A Grader in because our second their might not get a go.

Need some ruthlessness in team selection and list management.

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[BringBackSimmo]

And if he doesn't nominate us we never wanted him anyway.

Adam who..?

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Is there risk Viney will only nominate us if we get Wines on board too?

 

[CJMB]

Is there risk Viney will only nominate us if we get Wines on board too?

FA period starts before trade period, think it finishes earlier too. in that scenario, let’s call it a Neale-McCarthy situation, Viney would more likely be the first one to happen.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

We don't need all these inside ish mid types, just one of would do nicely

Take a pick

Viney, Wines, Graham

Graham.
Very very good player. Cheaper pick wise and salary wise. Viney for coin does sound appealing though

 

[Blue__Balls]

Is there risk Viney will only nominate us if we get Wines on board too?

Doubt it. Viney will make the decision that's best for his future balanced against his loyalty to the Dees.

 

[JustaBattler]

Sheezus....I'll have to back off from confronting such a behemoth in the future.

relax Harks - I changed my mind about you when I saw the photography you posted- you aren't totally devoid of IQ or sensibility -quite the sensitive soul you are.....deep down ....no further down...deeper ...keep digging ...LOL

ok with that said resumption of typing at ten paces!!