Bluemour Melting Pot XXIV

[Own The Future]

In order to get Shiel done, the directors had him kicked out of the room on the last day inside the final 3 hours of trade period. He's been so unreasonable before, his own club has had to intervene.

This hypothetical is not absurd for him, and given the way he deals (style; he treats it like marketplace bartering. "This scarf is made of terrible materials, I'll give you five cents for it!") it's not what he expects to get, merely his starting point.

Ambit claims are a big part of negotiating, but surely you weaken your position if you make such an outrageous initial demand?

 

[Stamos]

I don't agree. They did what they had to do, after Dodoro nearly f’ed it up and they had no time left to maneuver.

He'd wrecked the relationship to the point where GWS weren't going to give. It's why you can't burn bridges between clubs; if you treat every trade like you need to win, people are going to take umbrage.

I agree with all that, except I think they paid overs.
If the deal fell through, we were getting him for a future 1st.

 

[Beast__Mode]

I'd love to know who they are too.

Rozee
King
King
Rankine
Smith

Am I missing anyone else Garry?

 

[Stamos]

Rowell

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You think a guy who has played 4 games is worth Walsh + a 1st?

 

[SOSforPM]

???

Rowell Prior to shoulder injury would’ve taken that.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Rozee
King
King
Rankine
Smith

Am I missing anyone else Garry?

You'd pay a first and Walsh for those players? Wat. The. ****.

 

[jackn]

I'm kind of in this boat. Don't overpay. If we dont get the trade done try PSD/ND, if another team gets him then we have shown to the AFL we wont bend down for anyone and * get nothing for him

And we've shown players if they commit to us, they should be willing to go to North as well.

 

[Stamos]

Rowell Prior to shoulder injury would’ve taken that.

No way

 

[Stamos]

You'd pay a first and Walsh for those players? Wat. The. fu**.

Garry Lyon joke

 

[KnobHead]

Perhaps Dodo needs to wake up in the middle of the night with a horses’ head in his bed


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[Gethelred]

I agree with all that, except I think they paid overs.
If the deal fell through, we were getting him for a future 1st.

Essentially.

They did it to save face. They were backed into a corner by their list manager, and were forced to do what they did in order to keep from looking bad. That does not mean that 2 first round picks is an appropriate price for Shiel, far from it, and it also does not mean that they made the right decision to pay that price to save face. Most of the time, saving face is not worth it; take the hit, but keep your powder dry for next time.

But I don't accept the idea that in that moment 2 firsts was a bad price for him, because you don't almost **** it up then pull it off often.

 

[Stamos]

I don't agree. They did what they had to do, after Dodoro nearly f’ed it up and they had no time left to maneuver.

He'd wrecked the relationship to the point where GWS weren't going to give. It's why you can't burn bridges between clubs; if you treat every trade like you need to win, people are going to take umbrage.

Further, Shiel was the wrong player for them, and the wrong deal, given their previous trades for Smith/Stringer/Saad.
The Shiel trade was overs on it's own, none of the others were bad deals in isolation, but the combination of the 4 deals has ****ed them.

 

[carlton_99]

And we've shown players if they commit to us, they should be willing to go to North as well.

I understand the risk but in end Saad and his manager seem content with going through the PSD if it comes to that. We shouldn't compromise our draft hand or ability to get another player because of a delusional Dodo

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Garry Lyon joke

Ta. Don't follow footy media anymore. Over my head

 

[Stamos]

Ta. Don't follow footy media anymore. Over my head

He rated all those players ahead of Walsh. This year.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Personally, as much as I'd want to tell Dodo to **** right off, I think playing to his ego is the better move.

"Adrian, your club is facing an exodus of players, and the reality is that you're going to be embarking on a rebuild of sorts.

We are more than happy to pay slight overs for Saad - we'll get you a pick in the mid teens - and that, along with the picks you get for Daniher, Hurley, Hooker and Fantasia will have you well placed to trade up the draft order. You can lay out your vision for the future of the club to the board, and secure your position for 3-4 years.

Or.....you can continue to negotiate in bad faith, Saad will nominate for the draft and you will get nothing. We will then advise your board and your members that the reason they lost a quality player for nothing was your insistence on treating this process like a pissing match. You will then lose your job.

Your call Adrian, do you want to be the man that rebuilds the Bombers, or do you want to be walked out in disgrace and remembered as the man who consigned them to 5+ years of irrelevance?"

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

He rated all those players ahead of Walsh. This year.

Pre or post season?

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Bits I’ve read on Essendon supporters is they’ll take Pick 7 and do the deal quickly.


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But they ain’t Dodo, if BF posters have any influence over the recruiting manager then they might as well pack up.....

 

[Gethelred]

Ambit claims are a big part of negotiating, but surely you weaken your position if you make such an outrageous initial demand?

He's old school, and while I don't have the background I've known more than a few salesman who've thought and dealt that way. It's part of why he sticks out; everyone else has moved with the times, seeking to use relationships and maintain them in order to facilitate easy trading at fair prices.

His problem isn't that it doesn't work, but that the players he's picked with it have been duds and the list management muddled. If it worked, there'd be more list managers trying to haggle like he does. It's only because he's unsuccessful overall that he's viewed as a bit of a failure.

 

[Treesloth]

Ambit claims are a big part of negotiating, but surely you weaken your position if you make such an outrageous initial demand?

The original ambit claim still has to be somewhere within the realms of a distant possibility.

But instead he’s thrown up an option that is literally untenable for the other club. I’d go as far to say that stuff is flat out dealing in bad faith.

If * ever want to pull their head out of the sand and self reflect on their position through an independent review, he would be one of the first out the door you’d think.

 

[Stamos]

Pre or post season?

Maybe half to 2/3 way through

 

[Gethelred]

Pre or post season?

Halfway through, and hasn't backtracked since.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

Pre or post season?

The week leading into the port game

 

[Brutalitops]

Ambit claims are a big part of negotiating, but surely you weaken your position if you make such an outrageous initial demand?

Correct. The first thing you learn in negotiating is that you have a top line and a bottom line. Your top line is what you start start at and you bottom line is the bare minimum you either part with or gain. Bearing in mind the other party has their own top and bottom lines. The goal is to hopefully meet somewhere in the middle.

Its not an "ambit" start to a negotiation to say "pick 7 + Charlie/Walsh". That is a statement which says "I dont want to deal". So **** him. No wonder we're preparing to draft him so far away from trade week. Saads manager would have relayed a similar message. "They dont want to deal, are you prepared to go to the draft?". Saad has backed our play.

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[Stamos]

He's old school, and while I don't have the background I've known more than a few salesman who've thought and dealt that way. It's part of why he sticks out; everyone else has moved with the times, seeking to use relationships and maintain them in order to facilitate easy trading at fair prices.

His problem isn't that it doesn't work, but that the players he's picked with it have been duds and the list management muddled. If it worked, there'd be more list managers trying to haggle like he does. It's only because he's unsuccessful overall that he's viewed as a bit of a failure.

It's not just that he's been unsuccessful, but that clubs that have traded in good faith, without the difficulties, have been successful.
Nobody is saying it's hard to trade with Geelong/Richmond/Hawthorn/Brisbane etc.