Bluemour Melting Pot XXV

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Bluemour Melting Pot XXVI

As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-file.1085141/ Rumour posters should post their rumours in both threads for those that like just to read rumours and for those that like to have get lost in their...

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[Faz 2000]

There is a difference between thinking Dow has been very disappointing so far and thinking now is the time to trade him.

He's definitely been disappointing - you need your eyes tested if you think he's met expectations so far for a #3 draft pick. HOWEVER, you don't "sell low" in the stock market. He can still make it into an impactful AFL player, he's young enough. Now is the time to hold and hopefully he's a "late bloomer" type who grows into his body and game and that gives him the confidence that he belongs at the level. No point chucking him out now for peanuts.

I'm down on him, I'm annoyed by him, and I'm hugely disappointed in what we got from that draft SO FAR. But I don't think trading him is a good idea.

 

[slashin_velvet]

- Attract blokes who don't want to play and live in Melbourne, but are only 1 hour away from it if they need.
- Win more than they lose.
- The 3rd party Cotton On COLA
- Beach nearby.
- Recruit GFL players as their bottom 6 to keep things cheap, invest in their top 10.

and smart cap management. No big ticket recruits on more than their captain.

 

[Dadda Dave]

FWIW how was Weitering looking in his third year? Spent a few weeks playing in the 2's if you remember.

And was on the chopping block for trade irc by several posters ..

 

[Dadda Dave]

Boo Boos happen


Agree with you, Paddy does not need to do the sensational, but he’ll have to give more glimpses of why he was a pick 3, and display commitment to team things and plain hard work too.
Lets hope Dow does not turn out to be like Billings all over again.

Billings kicked a bag against us once..

 

[Heres Waite]

I have been in the finance industry for >15 years and I have come across plenty of amateurs who pick stocks better than the pros. A lot of it is luck and admittedly there are other factors at play.

But amazing to think how many billions of dollars have been paid in fees over the years for professionals to do little/no better than a dartboard.

Agree totally. This is why I skip the financial planner and invest in low cost ETF’s. I buy consistently every month, dollar cost averaging. The only single stocks I have ever bought have been a couple of blue chip banks when they were at the $15 mark back in March/April.

it’s not the sexy way (apt) to do it but It works for me so far.

 

[The Dochs in]

For a start Ablett retiring.Trading Constable,Narkle and Cockatoo.All helps.


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Im sure it does, but talk that Cameron doesnt want to leave GWS but wants more money, so surely he is being offered 750+, Crouch similar and Higgins although im sure wont be on massive money surely is going for more than 200k. How much would Ablett really be on this year? The other 3 are surely on the lower end of the pay scale? I know players take less to play for them etc but surely they're still stretched pretty thin. Its impressive thats all, I envy how they can do it. What a difference being an hour out of the city seems to make.

 

[Tjblues]

It would be nice if someone at the club could come out and explain to our supporters that Dow was injured for the majority of the year. Our football operations manager and coach have dropped the ball here. If it was McGovern or Betts, both would be on the front foot supporting them both. Disgraceful by the club in its support for a young talented player.

There’s literally no need for them to do that at all. Where in the media is Dow copping it? People on this board are having a good discussion about him, that’s all.

This wouldn’t be another attempt to have a crack at the clubs hierarchy without any merit would it?

Colour me surprised

 

[fnm_just a man]

We got Jack Martin for free they coughed up and overpaid for Hill. Peaks and troughs

Apples and oranges

 

[KJP7]

It would be nice if someone at the club could come out and explain to our supporters that Dow was injured for the majority of the year. Our football operations manager and coach have dropped the ball here. If it was McGovern or Betts, both would be on the front foot supporting them both. Disgraceful by the club in its support for a young talented player.

There's no more making excuses, especially for high draft picks, the acid is well and truly on them to perform.

I think Teague set the tone during the year at the selection table by picking a more mature team and individuals that he trusts to perform week in & week out. By doing this it'll force these kids to raise the bar and it'll quickly show who's cut out for the big time and who isn't.

Off field the club has come so far in the last couple of years by raising standards across admin and the football department, now it needs to flow over into on field as well. We need to become a more ruthless team and if that means a few players get their noses out of joint because they aren't being gifted games anymore then so be it, we'll be a far stronger club when we have 30+ hungry young men who are competing at a high level to earn their spot in the 22.

 

[FairKouta]

Where the rumours at

 

[Blue__Balls]

There is a difference between thinking Dow has been very disappointing so far and thinking now is the time to trade him.

He's definitely been disappointing - you need your eyes tested if you think he's met expectations so far for a #3 draft pick. HOWEVER, you don't "sell low" in the stock market. He can still make it into an impactful AFL player, he's young enough. Now is the time to hold and hopefully he's a "late bloomer" type who grows into his body and game and that gives him the confidence that he belongs at the level. No point chucking him out now for peanuts.

I'm down on him, I'm annoyed by him, and I'm hugely disappointed in what we got from that draft SO FAR. But I don't think trading him is a good idea.

Depends what is on offer.

Say NM came knocking and said "We'll give you Pick 9 for Dow"...well, we'd need to consider what we could do with an extra top 10 pick in our hand. Could we package 7 and 9 for an Oliver or Wines without impacting our future draft assets?

The answer might still be no, of course. But only after giving it some serious thought.

 

[jj1978]

I have been in the finance industry for >15 years and I have come across plenty of amateurs who pick stocks better than the pros. A lot of it is luck and admittedly there are other factors at play.

But amazing to think how many billions of dollars have been paid in fees over the years for professionals to do little/no better than a dartboard.

Also with the introduction of machine learning and big data becoming more prevalent it's actually now better to have a machine to manage your super. I believe since computers introduced to manage your super (about 12 years now) they have out-performed human management.. hence you're best paying less fees having your super machine managed than being managed by a human.

 

[Coops93]

Depends what is on offer.

Say NM came knocking and said "We'll give you Pick 9 for Dow"...well, we'd need to consider what we could do with an extra top 10 pick in our hand. Could we package 7 and 9 for an Oliver or Wines without impacting our future draft assets?

The answer might still be no, of course. But only after giving it some serious thought.

If we could get a top 10 pick for Dow we should take that as quickly as possible.

I think at best right now we could get at a second round pick for him.

 

[Bostonian]

FWIW how was Weitering looking in his third year? Spent a few weeks playing in the 2's if you remember.

I remember him looking outstanding in his first season. Don't ever recall Dow looking outstanding sorry.

 

[Sin City]

It would be nice if someone at the club could come out and explain to our supporters that Dow was injured for the majority of the year. Our football operations manager and coach have dropped the ball here. If it was McGovern or Betts, both would be on the front foot supporting them both. Disgraceful by the club in its support for a young talented player.

Got any info about trades or delistings Ricky Mott ?

 

[Bostonian]

I was a bit underwhelmed with TDK forward this year TBH, another pre-season should help him get stringer and better hold his marks but he seemed to look better when we was given the number 1 ruck role, it seemed to suit his athletic gifts more and gave him a bit more freedom.

No stringer's at Carlton please!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Name a big fish thats went to another club and won a flag. It doesn't always eventuate

Off the top of my head over decades, I can recall all of these being big name purchases at the time they , who went on to win a flag:

Brad Ottens to Geelong
Greg Wells to Carlton
Brent Crosswell to North
Ron Barassi to Carlton
Greg Williams to Carlton
Tom Lynch to Richmond
Tom Boyd to Western Bulldogs
Barry Hall to Sydney

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Talk that Geelong are up to their eyeballs in Cameron, Crouch and Higgins (Norths) how on earth do they do it??

Why can't they?

 

[NavySteel]

Billings kicked a bag against us once..

We're everyone's best game....

Not another team in the league where opposition plodders have a career-best game more than against us...

 

[1981]

There is a difference between thinking Dow has been very disappointing so far and thinking now is the time to trade him.

He's definitely been disappointing - you need your eyes tested if you think he's met expectations so far for a #3 draft pick. HOWEVER, you don't "sell low" in the stock market. He can still make it into an impactful AFL player, he's young enough. Now is the time to hold and hopefully he's a "late bloomer" type who grows into his body and game and that gives him the confidence that he belongs at the level. No point chucking him out now for peanuts.

I'm down on him, I'm annoyed by him, and I'm hugely disappointed in what we got from that draft SO FAR. But I don't think trading him is a good idea.

Unless you get a good return.

 

[Bostonian]

- Attract blokes who don't want to play and live in Melbourne, but are only 1 hour away from it if they need.
- Win more than they lose.
- The 3rd party Cotton On COLA
- Beach nearby.
- Recruit GFL players as their bottom 6 to keep things cheap, invest in their top 10.

Very lucky to have the GFL at their doorstep.

Being a regular GFL watcher the standard is pretty damn high and is excellent to watch.

 

[chunkylover53]

Very lucky to have the GFL at their doorstep.

Being a regular GFL watcher the standard is pretty damn high and is excellent to watch.

it's dropped off a little bit, but it was ****ing ridiculous for a minute there. a full-blown semi-professional league. think Joeys had 14 VFL listed players on their list at one point. Tom Atkins was a standard midfielder there for a few years.

 

[Bostonian]

There is a difference between thinking Dow has been very disappointing so far and thinking now is the time to trade him.

He's definitely been disappointing - you need your eyes tested if you think he's met expectations so far for a #3 draft pick. HOWEVER, you don't "sell low" in the stock market. He can still make it into an impactful AFL player, he's young enough. Now is the time to hold and hopefully he's a "late bloomer" type who grows into his body and game and that gives him the confidence that he belongs at the level. No point chucking him out now for peanuts.

I'm down on him, I'm annoyed by him, and I'm hugely disappointed in what we got from that draft SO FAR. But I don't think trading him is a good idea.

We have quite a few cases in our history where we didn't sell and their value went into the negative.

If we can land an already performing senior player who we know what we will get from then it's a non-brainer for me if Dow is part of the deal to get it done.

 

[1981]

Off the top of my head over decades, I can recall all of these being big name purchases at the time they , who went on to win a flag:

Brad Ottens to Geelong
Greg Wells to Carlton
Brent Crosswell to North
Ron Barassi to Carlton
Greg Williams to Carlton
Tom Lynch to Richmond
Tom Boyd to Western Bulldogs
Barry Hall to Sydney

Burgoyne, Frawley, Lake, Gibson at Hwth.

 

[Countryblueswitnotattoos]

I have been in the finance industry for >15 years and I have come across plenty of amateurs who pick stocks better than the pros. A lot of it is luck and admittedly there are other factors at play.

But amazing to think how many billions of dollars have been paid in fees over the years for professionals to do little/no better than a dartboard.

Don't believe everything you hear from those amateur investors Ferris. They love talking about their wins. Losses, not so much. If you talk to their accountants, you will find out the real story. Not so easy for recruiters though. Aint nowhere to hide!

So how does an amateur investor make a small fortune?

Start with a large one!