Bluemour Melting Pot XXV

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Bluemour Melting Pot XXVI

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[Arr0w]

Sorry - flicking back between work and here. What were the total trade values for those players?

https://www.draftguru.com.au/trades/2018-lachie-neale

2018 Trade for Dylan Shiel - Draftguru

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https://www.draftguru.com.au/trades/2015-adam-treloar

 

[teagueyubeauty]

ITK C09 has recently stated in Bluemours that Oliver has been approached and we are awaiting his decision. If he accepts, it is going to throw a spanner in the works for the Saad trade, by finding Picks and/or players to satisfy both * and Melbourne. What do others think? What players, if any, would we be prepared to give up to satisfy Melbourne?

Not at all, Dodo....as I’ve stated all along here’s 27 now on your bike.


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[Arr0w]

Oliver is worth more than them (well, certainly Treloar and Shiel), and that deal would be less than what the Lions gave up for Neale.
Highly unlikely.

It's well in the range

Tell me another trade that was worth more and was comparable in players

 

[teagueyubeauty]

You satisfy Melbourne and get Oliver and then ream the * ...

It’s not reaming Essendon, 27 is about where the value sits for Saad.

It’s a fair and equitable offer, add 45 to make him feel like he won the trade if you want but 27 is only a couple of picks above optimum


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[Canyouhearthedrums]

Personally I don’t see how we could get Oliver and Saad die without losing a young kid who has some runs on the board...

 

[Stamos]

It's well in the range

Tell me another trade that was worth more and was comparable in players

Shiel and Neale's trades were equal to pick 3. Treloar's was equal to #2 (although the Pies underestimated how poorly they would do the following year).

For us to get #23 back this year, we'd need to be finishing in the bottom half of the ladder next year for Melbourne to get equivalent value (which I doubt they would bet on), and I think Oliver is worth more than those other players.

As I said, highly unlikely.

 

[Stamos]

Personally I don’t see how we could get Oliver and Saad die without losing a young kid who has some runs on the board...

Hypothetically, #7 and future 1st for Oliver, #27 + Kennedy for Saad. Maybe some late pick swaps.

 

[Kramer1]

Personally I don’t see how we could get Oliver and Saad die without losing a young kid who has some runs on the board...

That's dark man...

 

[RoyalBlues]

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[Blue__Balls]

I can tell you right now there is no way Melbourne would give us a 2nd rounder or any other pick that isn't a 4th rounder with that trade.

Trade Inflation in full effect.

Every year it seems "elite" players cost more and more.

Pick 7 plus a future Pick 10-14, for Oliver and 23 (slides to ~25) is in excess of what Brisbane paid for Lachie Neale...which in itself was a significant investment.

6 + 19 + 55 for Neale + 30
7 + 12 + for Oliver + 23

It's around the mark.

 

[esoteric]

Oliver and Cripps together would be so amazing. Really hope it happens.

Getting waaay ahead of myself, but have two players from the same club ever finished one-two in the Brownlow?

 

[Stamos]

Trade Inflation in full effect.

Every year it seems "elite" players cost more and more.

Pick 7 plus a future Pick 10-14, for Oliver and 23 (slides to ~25) is in excess of what Brisbane paid for Lachie Neale...which in itself was a significant investment.

6 + 19 + 55 for Neale + 30
7 + 12 + for Oliver + 23

It's around the mark.

It's actually not more than what Brisbane paid for Neale, it's less.
And that's if we finish low enough to have pick 12.

 

[mrkyuss]

Personally I don’t see how we could get Oliver and Saad die without losing a young kid who has some runs on the board...

Not really. Given teams need for points. Two seconds could easily turn into a late first for Saad. Someone would give up a second for Dow wouldn’t they?

 

[sweethoney]

Getting waaay ahead of myself, but have two players from the same club ever finished one-two in the Brownlow?

Cousins and Kerr

 

[Blue__Balls]

Shiel and Neale's trades were equal to pick 3. Treloar's was equal to #2 (although the Pies underestimated how poorly they would do the following year).

For us to get #23 back this year, we'd need to be finishing in the bottom half of the ladder next year for Melbourne to get equivalent value (which I doubt they would bet on), and I think Oliver is worth more than those other players.

As I said, highly unlikely.

7 plus a future Pick 12 (assuming we make finals but choke due to lack of experience), for Oliver and 23 - values Oliver around Pick 4. It's pretty darn close to those other trades. There's a gambling element from Melbourne, but I'd suggest a team who are as inconsistent as Carlton have been are less likely to go deep into finals than to potentially miss out on them all together, regardless of who we bring in.

 

[esoteric]

Cousins and Kerr

Thanks, yeah we’d be as good as that Eagles midfield with Williams and Walsh plus support.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It's actually not more than what Brisbane paid for Neale, it's less.
And that's if we finish low enough to have pick 12.

It's less, by the equivalent of a pick in the 50's. Chuck that in if it helps them sleep better.

 

[alfo]

Just because you have the best house in the worst street doesn’t make it worth $1million.

Talking to one of my * mates just now, he is adamant Saad is worth pick 7 and one of Walsh/Curnow/McKay/TDK
Or at the very least pick 7

They're in for a bit of a shock...

 

[BrownDog20]

Personally I don’t see how we could get Oliver and Saad die without losing a young kid who has some runs on the board...

Happy to lose a young kid who might turn out ok to get a young kid who is an AA / B&F Midfielder

 

[Stamos]

7 plus a future Pick 12 (assuming we make finals but choke due to lack of experience), for Oliver and 23 - values Oliver around Pick 4. It's pretty darn close to those other trades. There's a gambling element from Melbourne, but I'd suggest a team who are as inconsistent as Carlton have been are less likely to go deep into finals than to potentially miss out on them all together, regardless of who we bring in.

If Oliver requests a trade to Carlton, and Melbourne offer he and #23 for #7 and our future 1st, I'd suggest we would sign the deal instantly.

 

[RPCB]

Getting waaay ahead of myself, but have two players from the same club ever finished one-two in the Brownlow?

Cousins and Kerr in 2005.

 

[Robertio]

Getting waaay ahead of myself, but have two players from the same club ever finished one-two in the Brownlow?

Next Monday night Walsh & Cripps.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Something about Kemp.

Just seem to think we have got one with this kid.

Hope he has a massive pre season and see him rd 1. That would be fantastic.

Due for a big hit in round 1. Weitering and Walsh were no brainers at pick 1. Probably need to go back to Charlie and Harry where we nailed a couple of really good ones.

Still plenty of time for SPS, Dow, Lob, Stocker. But none have really burst into the scene yet or look like becoming a graders at this stage.

Kemp becoming A grade would be huge for us.

He will be elite, only behind Rowell in his draft.
Anderson was only drafted at #2 to be Rowells stable pony.
There, I said it!

 

[FairKouta]

If Oliver requests a trade to Carlton, and Melbourne offer he and #23 for #7 and our future 1st, I'd suggest we would sign the deal instantly.

I’d sign for 7 and next years first

 

[Kruezing]

It’s not reaming Essendon, 27 is about where the value sits for Saad.

It’s a fair and equitable offer, add 45 to make him feel like he won the trade if you want but 27 is only a couple of picks above optimum


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I meant to give them nothing sorry to be unclear there ...