Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[Jeremias]

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You've got to feel for Cottrell who runs 15+ km/game yet averages less than 12 disposals per game across his career.

Sticks out like a sore thumb on that list along with Garthwaite.

Is it a case of the club not knowing how to play through him, or the player not putting himself in the right positions to be played through?

 

[ferrisb]

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Just waiting for a few more pre-seasons so Walshy can build up some endurance...

 

[Gethelred]

You've got to feel for Cottrell who runs 15+ km/game yet averages less than 12 disposals per game across his career.

Sticks out like a sore thumb on that list along with Garthwaite.

Is it a case of the club not knowing how to play through him, or the player not putting himself in the right positions to be played through?

I think it's probably both. Cotters isn't the most natural footballer if he is inside the best runners at the club, even if he is eminently coachable. I think it's going to be down to Voss and Power; if they can get him running to the right positions and knowing where to look for a target, he's going to be ten times the player.

 

[agro]

I think it's probably both. Cotters isn't the most natural footballer if he is inside the best runners at the club, even if he is eminently coachable. I think it's going to be down to Voss and Power; if they can get him running to the right positions and knowing where to look for a target, he's going to be ten times the player.

That’s all well and good to train him to “see-ball-and-get-ball” - but needs a lot of training in “hit-target-with-ball”.

 

[bmaurizio]

I think it's probably both. Cotters isn't the most natural footballer if he is inside the best runners at the club, even if he is eminently coachable. I think it's going to be down to Voss and Power; if they can get him running to the right positions and knowing where to look for a target, he's going to be ten times the player.

Footy IQ just can’t be taught, ones either got it or not.

 

[Gethelred]

Footy IQ just can’t be taught, ones either got it or not.

I think you're wrong, because what determines if you play AFL these days is as much athletic capacity as opposed to footy skills or game feel. What was Richmond if not a demonstration that you can ape game feel/footy IQ with a simple gameplan?

Skills are a product of repetition, and instincts are the same. If you repeat the same set plays - get to position A, wheel onto the right and aim for field position B (a part of the ground which the forwards know to lead towards) with a low flat kick - you're going to play into forming muscle memory for this kind of thing.

That’s all we’ll and good to train him to “see-ball-and-get-ball” - but needs a lot of training in “hit-target-with-ball”.

Yep. Think it's more a 'lowering the eyes' thing with Cottrell than a poor technique, though.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

$35 to burn in the Members Special extra noice Gift Shop, according to the official important email.

Gunna go the cap & the jewel encrusted (hope it’s zirconia) keyring.

Nixed the beanie, stretched this years one so much I can use it as a pillow case.

 

[TCB-1935]

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Brilliant by Walsh but one has to admire the maturity and game awareness of Cuningham to tell Walsh to take the shot after his goal assist handball.

 

[Coops93]

Footy IQ just can’t be taught, ones either got it or not.

I think you can to a point. It's not like you're going to go from Setanta O'Hailpin to Scott Pendlebury just from practice and training. But you might be able to go from a D+ to a C+ level in terms of footy awareness, that'd be about it.

 

[Coops93]

You've got to feel for Cottrell who runs 15+ km/game yet averages less than 12 disposals per game across his career.

Sticks out like a sore thumb on that list along with Garthwaite.

Is it a case of the club not knowing how to play through him, or the player not putting himself in the right positions to be played through?

I think it's him not knowing the right positions to get to all the time.

Remember he was a supplementary selection by us, not drafted or even rookied in the traditional way, so it's not like was an elite football talent in waiting.

 

[Espio]

I think it is probably a little underrated that the likes of LOB and Cottrell were used in a very defensive wingman role which involves a lot of unrewarded running to cover for our midfields defensive deficiencies.
Combine that with some of our senior players not trusting them when they found good field position and using them as a decoy (looking at you Doc amongst others) and you can understand low production.
It is important for the future of our young developing players and success of our club that all buy into if you are selected you are deemed good enough and within the game plan same rules apply to all.


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[thylacine60]

$35 to burn in the Members Special extra noice Gift Shop, according to the official important email.

Gunna go the cap & the jewel encrusted (hope it’s zirconia) keyring.

Nixed the beanie, stretched this years one so much I can use it as a pillow case.

settled for the 6 pack of mixed length lanyards.........

 

[Ash24]

I think it is probably a little underrated that the likes of LOB and Cottrell were used in a very defensive wingman role which involves a lot of unrewarded running to cover for our midfields defensive deficiencies.
Combine that with some of our senior players not trusting them when they found good field position and using them as a decoy (looking at you Doc amongst others) and you can understand low production.
It is important for the future of our young developing players and success of our club that all buy into if you are selected you are deemed good enough and within the game plan same rules apply to all.


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Spot on. A St Kilda poster (relative of Cottrell) even came onto our LM thread a while ago and said a similar thing. I think he mentioned that they were used on the fat side of the ground to run and down and cover the switch. When there were stoppages on their side, they were told to play behind the footy and just bang it on the boot when they got the ball.

Hope Voss can get the most out of them, I think they have great talent!

 

[Sector 7G]

I think you're wrong, because what determines if you play AFL these days is as much athletic capacity as opposed to footy skills or game feel. What was Richmond if not a demonstration that you can ape game feel/footy IQ with a simple gameplan?

Skills are a product of repetition, and instincts are the same. If you repeat the same set plays - get to position A, wheel onto the right and aim for field position B (a part of the ground which the forwards know to lead towards) with a low flat kick - you're going to play into forming muscle memory for this kind of thing.

Yep. Think it's more a 'lowering the eyes' thing with Cottrell than a poor technique, though.

If you factored in TOG Cotrell would be No1 in the league. He would also be the quickest player on that list.

Technically he seems to me to be a reasonably good kick, just needs to get confidence in his ability/place in the team. Think it was the Swans where he ran forward and marked just inside the square. Instead of kicking to a 1 on 1 I50 he waited and handballed off to Newman who was under pressure who turned it over. Later in the game Cotrell used his run and was able to hit up H I50. I think he still has potential.

 

[Gethelred]

If you factored in TOG Cotrell would be No1 in the league. He would also be the quickest player on that list.

Technically he seems to me to be a reasonably good kick, just needs to get confidence in his ability/place in the team. Think it was the Swans where he ran forward and marked just inside the square. Instead of kicking to a 1 on 1 I50 he waited and handballed off to Newman who was under pressure who turned it over. Later in the game Cotrell used his run and was able to hit up H I50. I think he still has potential.

I can't remember which game it was; we were being smashed, gameplan had completely fallen away. There were two nigh identical plays; he got a handball receive, running through vacant space between wing and half forward. On the first, he ran his span and smashed away, kicking it long and high and lo and behold, it's marked by an intercept defender and gone. The second play, he lowers his eyes, and hits Harry with a low flat kick that was impossible to defend.

He's determined to make it work. He has athletic attributes and skill attributes that make him potentially very, very useful in the right system. On the first play above, I drew a line through him; on the second, I undrew it because it indicates what he could be as opposed to what he is.

He's never going to have the gamefeel of Robbie Gray, but we shouldn't need him to.

 

[thylacine60]

He's never going to have the gamefeel of Robbie Gray, but we shouldn't need him to.

Bang!

 

[La Dispute]

I think you can to a point. It's not like you're going to go from Setanta O'Hailpin to Scott Pendlebury just from practice and training. But you might be able to go from a D+ to a C+ level in terms of footy awareness, that'd be about it.

Depends on your role in the team as well. In your exact example, looking at an inside/outside mid like Pendlebury, these kind of players arguably have to have the highest of footy IQ's as they need to have an influence at the stoppage and then get into space to direct general pay. Think Josh Kelly, Walsh, Simon Black.

A key defender by contrast doesn't need to same broad situational awareness as their main objective is to stop their opponent and intercept if possible. They need a baseline read and have to be able to work their way through a defensive transition, but their skillset doesn't need to be as varied. It makes a difference if you have key defender who can generate play from the back half though eg Weitering, Lever.

Someone like Cottrell needs an intermediate IQ. Has to be able to run to spots to assist in linking up, cover the exits, keep his (more offensively-minded) opponent in check. Still a work in progress as a footballer and really needs to add some more strings to his bow, but he at worst has an elite tank and the work rate to press his case. It'd be nice to see some general improvement in his skills though - this is what will elevate him above players vying for the same spot.

 

[BuxbaumBixby]

Footy IQ just can’t be taught, ones either got it or not.

At the same time - also hard to teach gut-running work ethic.

Kamdyn (did I spell it right?) McIntosh is a premiership wingman. Learnt how to get to the right spots and play to his strengths.

Cottrell still very very young - I'd like to see us persevere with him for a couple more years. Reckon his kicking might also improve with a team focus on keeping possesion rather than rushing forward at all costs.

 

[Donnini]

You have to be proud of Cotts - rookie getting games galore. He is still learning but love how he has a crack. Needs to fill out a little bit more but like his endeavor just needs abit of polish.

 

[JustaBattler]

Brilliant by Walsh but one has to admire the maturity and game awareness of Cuningham to tell Walsh to take the shot after his goal assist handball.

Nice pick-up -imo that was just s much Cuningham's goal after three possessions in congestion and movement tio find space and find a reciever...quite a setback to see him cop an ACL just as he was starting to play consistently impressive football - fingers crossed for Cunners- he is rare silk.

 

[Garters]

You've got to feel for Cottrell who runs 15+ km/game yet averages less than 12 disposals per game across his career.

Sticks out like a sore thumb on that list along with Garthwaite.

Is it a case of the club not knowing how to play through him, or the player not putting himself in the right positions to be played through?

Is an amazing stat. Running I.25kms per possession. That's crazy. Don't know the answers to either of your questions but they are bizarre numbers. If you can somehow harness that running power. The fact he is running 15kms a game and only seeing the ball that much lends me to think it is more player than structure unfortunately. I hope I am wrong as seems a great kid with the attitude you want. Let's see if Voss and co can bring him into the play somehow.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Is an amazing stat. Running I.25kms per possession. That's crazy. Don't know the answers to either of your questions but they are bizarre numbers. If you can somehow harness that running power. The fact he is running 15kms a game and only seeing the ball that much lends me to think it is more player than structure unfortunately. I hope I am wrong as seems a great kid with the attitude you want. Let's see if Voss and co can bring him into the play somehow.

At least part of it was that he was being asked to play as a defensive winger and being played to run with others who damage us with their running power.

It's a great trait to have, the trick for the new coaching panel is to polish him up and be able to use him as an offensive weapon (similar to the likes of Langdon). Plenty of work to be done there but he has an aerobic capacity that nearly all don't have.

 

[Faz 2000]

It's a great trait to have, the trick for the new coaching panel is to polish him up and be able to use him as an offensive weapon (similar to the likes of Langdon). Plenty of work to be done there but he has an aerobic capacity that nearly all don't have.

I was a bit slow to realise what a difference a genuine endurance runner can make, to be honest. I always sort of assumed all AFL players were “fit” and that was good enough. I think plenty of players think good enough is good enough, too.

Watching Langdon closely this finals series I was super-impressed by his hard work and the impact it could have. There was a great example - in the prelim, maybe? - where he was digging the ball out deep inside defensive 50 then wound up 30 seconds later involved in a goal at the other end. Like having extra players out there.

Cottrell is a remarkable runner, so I’d hope we can mould him into something really useful.

 

[thylacine60]

^^^^^
excellent post faz....

 

[Magruder]

At least part of it was that he was being asked to play as a defensive winger and being played to run with others who damage us with their running power.

It's a great trait to have, the trick for the new coaching panel is to polish him up and be able to use him as an offensive weapon (similar to the likes of Langdon). Plenty of work to be done there but he has an aerobic capacity that nearly all don't have.

no lack of mongrel either.