Bluemour Season Blast Off Edition XXXIII

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Who's that clown bumping 9 year old threads? Can we ban him?

 

[skadoosh]

Any context for the bump/photo?

 

[Benaly28]

I’ll say this again.

Jones retired, mid contract. Settlements were made, payouts agreed upon by all parties. Those payment do not disappear from our salary cap.
I say this to reiterate the point that he cannot simply walk to another club without Carlton receiving compensation or agreeing to de register him.

Carlton did not impose the mandates. Whether you personally agree with the mandate or not, it is a moot point.
They were made by the governing body of the sport, not by our club.

There is no ill feelings towards Jones from the club, merely we have moved on. We’ve reinvested in that position, have plans to strengthen our depth using any compensation we get, and have a bit to do with what salary cap space we have left.

Remove the name from the scenario for a moment and you realise a 32 year old, having spent 12month out of the game doesn’t fit within our future list management strategy.

Liam with always be loved and respected by the club for the way he turned his career around, nobody wanted it to end between us this way. But both parties hands were tied by the power that be and both parties have amicably moved on.

Amen.

Full stop.

Microphone drop.

Now can we all move on from LJ.


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[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Doesn't get any clearer or more informative than this.

Well, I didn't see any part about whether there was any love in your future, so probably dropped the ball there.

 

[thylacine60]

Well, I didn't see any part about whether there was any love in your future, so probably dropped the ball there.

Bang!

 

[Aphrodite]

I’ll say this again.

Jones retired, mid contract. Settlements were made, payouts agreed upon by all parties. Those payment do not disappear from our salary cap.
I say this to reiterate the point that he cannot simply walk to another club without Carlton receiving compensation or agreeing to de register him.

Carlton did not impose the mandates. Whether you personally agree with the mandate or not, it is a moot point.
They were made by the governing body of the sport, not by our club.

There is no ill feelings towards Jones from the club, merely we have moved on. We’ve reinvested in that position, have plans to strengthen our depth using any compensation we get, and have a bit to do with what salary cap space we have left.

Remove the name from the scenario for a moment and you realise a 32 year old, having spent 12month out of the game doesn’t fit within our future list management strategy.

Liam with always be loved and respected by the club for the way he turned his career around, nobody wanted it to end between us this way. But both parties hands were tied by the power that be and both parties have amicably moved on.

This!





/The End

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

Our incompetence and corruption = AFL have it in for us.

Melbourne were also incompetent. Any ideas why they were given an Afl appointed Peter Jackson as CEO, afl funded Paul Roos as Coach, Pick 2 as compensation pick for losing James Frawley to free agency (picking up both Petracca and Brayshaw as a result)?

Essendon injected their players with god knows what and illicit substances. Any idea why they were allowed to keep pick 1 despite their mismanagement and we were stripped off picks?

Gold Coast were mismanaged - why have they received a suite of picks and assistance?

Why did the afl suddenly find $200k of ambassadorial allowance for Coniglio when it was looking like he might walk out of GWS? (Speculation)

And let’s see what North get for their ‘mismanagement’

 

[katmanblue]

I was responding to someone who said that the dogs would not have been penalised as heavily as us.

My response was that I think we were way too heavily penalised but we had two recent priors for salary cap infringements so the afl could say (with some justification) that we were recidivists, and as a result increase the fine.

Not sure why you cherry picked that little bit?

The issue most Carlton supporters have is in regards to he severity of the sanctions. Specifically the draft and trade sanction effectively bumping us out of the draft for multiple years and not allowing us to trade back in.

They would never have done that to a lesser club. Look at th drugs scandal. They let * have the pick #1 as reward for it. Even though they are still claiming they did.nothing wrong.

We know we did wrong and deserved a whack. It's been stated adnuaseum both here and elsewhere. I thought bringing that up in a discussion about Carlton being treated differently was on the nose.

The discussion was whether they would have done the same to a different club in the same situation. The answer is no.

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[bigblueboy]

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I say this to reiterate the point that he cannot simply walk to another club without Carlton receiving compensation or agreeing to de register him.

Carlton did not impose the mandates. Whether you personally agree with the mandate or not, it is a moot point.
They were made by the governing body of the sport, not by our club.

There is no ill feelings towards Jones from the club, merely we have moved on. We’ve reinvested in that position, have plans to strengthen our depth using any compensation we get, and have a bit to do with what salary cap space we have left.

Remove the name from the scenario for a moment and you realise a 32 year old, having spent 12month out of the game doesn’t fit within our future list management strategy.

Liam with always be loved and respected by the club for the way he turned his career around, nobody wanted it to end between us this way. But both parties hands were tied by the power that be and both parties have amicably moved on.

great post

 

[BigFrizz36]

The issue most Carlton supporters have is in regards to he severity of the sanctions. Specifically the draft and trade sanction effectively bumping us out of the draft for multiple years and not allowing us to trade back in.

They would never have done that to a lesser club. Look at th drugs scandal. They let * have the pick #1 as reward for it. Even though they are still claiming they did.nothing wrong.

We know we did wrong and deserved a whack. It's been stated adnuaseum both here and elsewhere. I thought bringing that up in a discussion about Carlton being treated differently was on the nose.

The discussion was whether they would have done the same to a different club in the same situation. The answer is no.

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Well they did fine * $2 mill, kick them out of the finals, strip them of their first two draft picks the following year and one the next year and fined and/or suspended who they deemed to be the key players in the saga at the end of 2013.

After wada suspended the players a couple of years on I guess that the afl claimed that they had already forfeited draft picks so they couldn't penalise them again.

Personally I would have allowed them to continue in the comp but be unable to receive premiership points for 100 years from when the last person involved in the whole shooting match died. Some have said that is a bit harsh but I just think it's best that a penalty is a strong deterrent.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

I’ll say this again.

Jones retired, mid contract. Settlements were made, payouts agreed upon by all parties. Those payment do not disappear from our salary cap.
I say this to reiterate the point that he cannot simply walk to another club without Carlton receiving compensation or agreeing to de register him.

Carlton did not impose the mandates. Whether you personally agree with the mandate or not, it is a moot point.
They were made by the governing body of the sport, not by our club.

There is no ill feelings towards Jones from the club, merely we have moved on. We’ve reinvested in that position, have plans to strengthen our depth using any compensation we get, and have a bit to do with what salary cap space we have left.

Remove the name from the scenario for a moment and you realise a 32 year old, having spent 12month out of the game doesn’t fit within our future list management strategy.

Liam with always be loved and respected by the club for the way he turned his career around, nobody wanted it to end between us this way. But both parties hands were tied by the power that be and both parties have amicably moved on.

A M E N

 

[Loramarthalas]

I’ll say this again.

Jones retired, mid contract. Settlements were made, payouts agreed upon by all parties. Those payment do not disappear from our salary cap.
I say this to reiterate the point that he cannot simply walk to another club without Carlton receiving compensation or agreeing to de register him.

Carlton did not impose the mandates. Whether you personally agree with the mandate or not, it is a moot point.
They were made by the governing body of the sport, not by our club.

There is no ill feelings towards Jones from the club, merely we have moved on. We’ve reinvested in that position, have plans to strengthen our depth using any compensation we get, and have a bit to do with what salary cap space we have left.

Remove the name from the scenario for a moment and you realise a 32 year old, having spent 12month out of the game doesn’t fit within our future list management strategy.

Liam with always be loved and respected by the club for the way he turned his career around, nobody wanted it to end between us this way. But both parties hands were tied by the power that be and both parties have amicably moved on.

So was it medical? Or was it just a personal stance against vaccines?

Because when he left the club he said is was for ‘personal reasons’. That doesn’t sound like he had a medical issue preventing him from taking the vaccine. It sounds like he just didn’t want the vaccine.

At the time it happened, the club said: ’We have been in constant dialogue with Liam in recent months and allowing him the time he needed to make an informed decision regarding his playing career.’

So, they tried to educate him and couldn’t get through. Pretty clear cut, if you ask me.

 

[thylacine60]

So was it medical? Or was it just a personal stance against vaccines?

Because when he left the club he said is was for ‘personal reasons’. That doesn’t sound like he had a medical issue preventing him from taking the vaccine. It sounds like he just didn’t want the vaccine.

At the time it happened, the club said: ’We have been in constant dialogue with Liam in recent months and allowing him the time he needed to make an informed decision regarding his playing career.’

So, they tried to educate him and couldn’t get through. Pretty clear cut, if you ask me.

yeah, luckily no-one is........

 

[OldBlueFan]

I hear this from Carlton fans. I've bought into it in the past.

I hear this from * fans.

Ultimately, the last twenty years has much more to do with both clubs being corrupt and incompetent - and varying degrees of both at various times - than anything else.

I'm no doubting that there's people on the inside that hate one or both clubs.

But what motivation does the AFL - on the whole - have to keep one or both clubs down when it's been proven throughout the history of the league that when one or both clubs are successful the competition - again as a whole - benefits tremendously.

It doesn't make logical sense to me.

I'm not going to get into the "does it exist or doesn't it" debate, but there is a flaw in your reasoning here. It's based on the premise that people always act rationally or logically. Something that is difficult to justify based on observed human behaviour.

 

[OldBlueFan]

We get marquee games because of who we are, we get a lot of good s**t because of who we are......

No we don't.

We get large crowded games because of who we are and an incredibly loyal supporter base.

We don't get:

1. Anzac Day
2. Good Friday
3. Dreamtime at the 'G
4. Queen's Birthday
5. (and this year) Opening game of the season

What marquee games are you referring to?

(ED: Forgot Queen's Birthday)

 

[carlton_99]

No we don't.

We get large crowded games because of who we are and an incredibly loyal supporter base.

We don't get:

1. Anzac Day
2. Good Friday
3. Dreamtime at the 'G
4. (and this year) Opening game of the season

What marquee games are you referring to?

Carlton - ?
Collingwood - Anzac Day & Queen's Birthday
******** - Anzac Day & Dreamtime @ the G
Geelong - Easter Monday
Hawthorn - Easter Monday
Melbourne - Anzac Day Eve & Queen's Birthday
North Melbourne - Good Friday
Richmond - Anzac Day Eve & Dreamtime @ the G
StKilda - ?
Western Bulldogs - Good Friday

Think us and Saints are the only ones in Victoria without a "marquee" match. Not that we need them to get a crowd or anything but interesting nonetheless

 

[Beyond Blue]

Carlton - ?
Collingwood - Anzac Day & Easter Monday
******** - Anzac Day & Dreamtime @ the G
Geelong - Easter Monday
Hawthorn - Easter Monday
Melbourne - Anzac Day Eve
North Melbourne - Good Friday
Richmond - Anzac Day Eve & Dreamtime @ the G
StKilda - ?
Western Bulldogs - Good Friday

Think us and Saints are the only ones in Victoria without a "marquee" match. Not that we need them to get a crowd or anything but interesting nonetheless

Collingwood and Melbourne also get the Queens Birthday game, but I’m not sure what Easter Monday marque game Collingwood participates in.

There’s an argument we get a marque game in the form of the season opener against Richmond.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Carlton - ?
Collingwood - Anzac Day & Easter Monday
******** - Anzac Day & Dreamtime @ the G
Geelong - Easter Monday
Hawthorn - Easter Monday
Melbourne - Anzac Day Eve
North Melbourne - Good Friday
Richmond - Anzac Day Eve & Dreamtime @ the G
StKilda - ?
Western Bulldogs - Good Friday

Think us and Saints are the only ones in Victoria without a "marquee" match. Not that we need them to get a crowd or anything but interesting nonetheless

Yep! The only marquee we need is to sell all the popular Carlton merchandise to the masses at our matches! Blues kick it!

 

[Blue Warrior]

Geelong and * get the "country" game that the AFL push.

 

[FRUMPY]

No we don't.

We get large crowded games because of who we are and an incredibly loyal supporter base.

We don't get:

1. Anzac Day
2. Good Friday
3. Dreamtime at the 'G
4. Queen's Birthday
5. (and this year) Opening game of the season

What marquee games are you referring to?

(ED: Forgot Queen's Birthday)

Ill agree that we dont get as much as we used to in a few areas, alot of that due to our team being really poor the last 5+ years.

Until this year we got the first game of the season each year - thats a marquee game.

We used to get a shitload of friday night games when we were a terrible team due to who we are. Recently that stopped because they reward good teams now which is why we have lots of sunday games. Its a much fairer way to do it, reward good teams and give them the marquee time slots each week

We used to be guaranteed 2 games vs Pies/Bombers/Tigers each year and reap the rewards in attendances/$$$. Again this has stopped due to a more rolling fixture on who teams play twice. Probably been 10 or so years since this was occuring year in - year out. But we reaped the rewards extremely in dollars terms

 

[BlueJet]

Carlton - ?
Collingwood - Anzac Day & Easter Monday
******** - Anzac Day & Dreamtime @ the G
Geelong - Easter Monday
Hawthorn - Easter Monday
Melbourne - Anzac Day Eve
North Melbourne - Good Friday
Richmond - Anzac Day Eve & Dreamtime @ the G
StKilda - ?
Western Bulldogs - Good Friday

Think us and Saints are the only ones in Victoria without a "marquee" match. Not that we need them to get a crowd or anything but interesting nonetheless

I wouldn't consider the majority of those to be marquee/much watch etc just because it lands on a particular date.
The concept is a marketing exercise and really, neither the Blues or Saints have been overly good at marketing themselves.

 

[FRUMPY]

I wouldn't consider the majority of those to be marquee/much watch etc just because it lands on a particular date.
The concept is a marketing exercise and really, neither the Blues or Saints have been overly good at marketing themselves.

its amazing the stock some people put into games - '2 time anzac day medalist' - woopty ****ing do, best on in a H&A game a couple of times...

 

[agro]

Geelong and * get the "country" game that the AFL push.

Because the sozzled “old plonker” managed to convince the AFL that Tullamarine was out of the Melbourne Metropolitan Area

 

[goreds]

Marquee games don't sell memberships or TV ratings and most importantly it doesn't attract sponsors...

THURSDAY and FRIDAY night games sell everything for the AFL and attracts massive dollar from sponsors...

Even G. Whately has said, pretty much every week, he loves his cats but his secret desire is to watch the Blues...

The AFL will give us that many PRIME TIME games next season that you all might as well plan to have your weekends free...

Easily the most watchable team in the league, we have the razzle dazzle, the aggressive leader, the freak forward and the swagger that attracts eyeballs, why, because you either love us or hate us, either way you just have to watch us...

 

[carlton_99]

Collingwood and Melbourne also get the Queens Birthday game, but I’m not sure what Easter Monday marque game Collingwood participates in.

There’s an argument we get a marque game in the form of the season opener against Richmond.

Sorry edited. Meant Queens Birthday not Easter Monday