Bluemour 'Silly Season' Edition XXXIV

[Blue_Fusion]

Luckily for CFC, SOS got 2015 draft right and then selected TDK & Sam Walsh otherwise it would be nightmare.

And unlucky for CFC - and SOS, 2016 and 2017 drafts both pretty much turned out to be duds at the top end from where we had our picks.

 

[Michael Jezz]

You don't need to play hardball on these kind of trades.

The only trade so far he probably should have gone harder with with was the Saad deal, but we're so far on top with that trade.

$800,000 a season for 6 years
for a back pocket Williams was a total
"bend me over & take me"
....makes painful reading

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Setterfield is not the main game as far as Carlton is concerned and he was uncontracted but I would like to evidence that Austin can play hard ball on a deal.

Pretty hard to do when the ball was pretty much entirely in their court...

 

[La Dispute]

$800,000 a season for 6 years
for a back pocket Williams was a total
"bend me over & take me"
....makes painful reading

That's nowhere near the contract price.

It's not as though Williams wasn't a gun at GWS. The deal looks poor now he can't get on the park, but I can't knock the intention, and the club needed to add some larger contracts to meet the TPP floor at the time.

When you're a struggling club you take the Free Agents you can get - this one just has worked out for us so far.

 

[katmanblue]

With regards to Ed.

Experience. Solid. Baseline.

Geelong was built on a group of these types.

Yes he is old. That is actually good. We need it. We know his output. It is very good second half of career. Experienced. Can handle pressure.

If Ed played 15 games this year we would have played finals.

Not sure about the 'can handle pressure' bit. He seems to be a bit of a panic merchant. He's an aficionado of the round the body dump kick, which would frequently be picked off by opposition.

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[KohPhi]

Sure, but why are we getting in bed with Essendon? prefer to watch us pass on 68 then give it to them for nothing..

Because the people who do these deals are not supporters of the club, but employees. From an employment perspective, the AFL is a relative small industry and anyone in a coaching/football dept/admin role could well be working with the club they've just done business with in the future.
It's not in their best interest to burn bridges and be difficult to work with I reckon.
I don't think it's a coincidence that SOS is plying his trade on radio these days, and not back in club land..

 

[KohPhi]

Setterfield is not the main game as far as Carlton is concerned and he was uncontracted but I would like to evidence that Austin can play hard ball on a deal.

Not in the best 22..
Uncontracted.
Essendon offering more than us.

How do you suggest 'hard ball' would look?

 

[Stamos]

I think the thing with Ed is that he's still the only player we have who can perform a run with role. I'd like to give someone else a job next season and I don't think Cerra is the one.

Cottrell is the obvious one with his tank but I'm not sure he is smart enough. I wonder if Owies could man up a slower mid or if Corey Durdin could do an Aaron Joseph or Anthony Franchina job.

Setters actually did a decent job the last 2 games.

 

[branedotorg]

Not sure about the 'can handle pressure' bit. He seems to be a bit of a panic merchant. He's an aficionado of the round the body dump kick, which would frequently be picked off by opposition.

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I think though a better system makes those kicks more palatable as players should be in an area to cover.

Under Barker's midfield coaching we had all our players at the contest and no one out for the release. Meant if the first touch couldn't break contact they had to play for ground or turn the ball over, especially out of the front of the pack (we tended to keep a defensive sweeper compared to voss having a defensive sweeper and a forward receiver). Remember how many times we'd win the contest but a Oppo player would sit off and run off with it?

Hopefully ed is in a position the mitigates his 'hack' kicking by giving him an option if he wins it inside.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Setters actually did a decent job the last 2 games.

"Better play well... my contract's almost up"

 

[Michael Jezz]

That's nowhere near the contract price.

It's not as though Williams wasn't a gun at GWS. The deal looks poor now he can't get on the park, but I can't knock the intention, and the club needed to add some larger contracts to meet the TPP floor at the time.

When you're a struggling club you take the Free Agents you can get - this one just has worked out for us so far.

Please do not defend the indefensible. We are paying "A" grade midfield salary for a back pocket. I like Zac but a mistake is a mistake

 

[Stamos]

Because the people who do these deals are not supporters of the club, but employees. From an employment perspective, the AFL is a relative small industry and anyone in a coaching/football dept/admin role could well be working with the club they've just done business with in the future.
It's not in their best interest to burn bridges and be difficult to work with I reckon.
I don't think it's a coincidence that SOS is plying his trade on radio these days, and not back in club land..

To be fair, SOS wasn't burning anyone on trades.
The only one was Gold Coast with Martin, but blame there rests solely on Cochran being a ****wit, not on SOS being unreasonable.

 

[katmanblue]

Yes that`s true, but if we only get pick 62 or whatever for Setters then isn`t it better to keep him instead of just handing him over to bloody Dodo for bugger all as I cannot recall that * creep ever doing us any favours!!! I heard that we offered Setters a one year contract when he wanted two, so it`s not that he wants out so much but more about him just wanting some certainty....I hate any of our players going to those * dogs.....!!!

Salary cap come into it. If we are offering 1x200k and they and are offering 2x400k, them it's a no brainer for Setterfield.

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[Stamos]

"Better play well... my contract's almost up"

Hell of a coincidence that those last 2 games were in the guts.

 

[El Topo]

Setterfield's ill-fated move to the wing is the flow-on from the Zac Williams signing - what does our side look like in Universe B where Will was kept in the middle after his breakout year in that role?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

That's nowhere near the contract price.

It's not as though Williams wasn't a gun at GWS. The deal looks poor now he can't get on the park, but I can't knock the intention, and the club needed to add some larger contracts to meet the TPP floor at the time.

When you're a struggling club you take the Free Agents you can get - this one just has worked out for us so far.

The intention was to turn him into a mid...

If you can't knock that then fine. Your choice.

But he lacks the work ethic required to get his fitness up to speed to play there.

We are giving him gun mid money to play off half back.

 

[Planet14]

It was always going to be tough for Carlton to compete with Essendon's offer, more money, longer contract, and a staring role in a popular YouTube series, "We Are Essington".

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Hell of a coincidence that those last 2 games were in the guts.

Whether you play in your preferred pos or somewhere else, intent and effort is required at all times. He didn't apply those traits.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

It was always going to be tough for Carlton to compete with Essendon's offer, more money, longer contract, and a staring role in a popular YouTube series, "We Are Essington".

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but unfortunately he's decided to finish up the Essington vids.

 

[Arr0w]

Not all leaks come from a club, lots of info comes from player managers and they all talk to each other

 

[branedotorg]

Not all leaks come from a club, lots of info comes from player managers and they all talk to each other

I'd say most leaks

 

[goreds]

Getting the feeling 2023 is a consolidation year to pay as much money as possible to our high end players, purely so we don’t have to go down the ‘salary dump’ model in the next 3 years…

Not sure if the 110% payment of salary cap is still available but next year would be the year to do it…

 

[SirSanchez]

Wow I’m no trade expert but this setters trade stinks of a s*** trade!
Future fourth!!! And we give pick 68 what the hell!??can someone smarter at this than me please explain how this is remotely good!?
I just can’t see it!

Bewildered!

 

[bluemahogany]

Ffs, didn't think he deserved another contract, but filthy he has gone to Essendon.

 

[Crazyjoedevolamk11]

Does trading that F4th in now give us the ability to trade our F1st without the AFL saying "no"? We may be able to use F1st to upgrade this years first or trade say, for Sydney's first 2 1st rounders this year.... something like that??