Book to be released that covers the Dayne Beams rape allegations

[pantskyle]

Interesting article.

 

[smitchell]

Why is it that some names get changed for these 'reports' and not others? Everyone knows who Justin is anyway.

I don't, do tell?

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

The whole thing seems very strange. From that article there was no mention of Justin* the next morning until he called and also texted? and then he was all of a sudden the prime suspect.
.Would be interesting to hear what the Taxi driver had to say.

 

[bucksisbest]

It reads more like a persuasive essay than a truly genuine account. Which is smart as the agenda seems to be about power relations and they were the 2 left behind in all this.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Think the most interesting thing that David Galbally QC, (who at that time was Collingwood's legal representative ) was initially acting for Justin.

That part doesn't make sense.

Yeah, the rest of the article was quite coherent and chronologically detailed.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Felt compelled but wasn't forced, first with 4 men in the bedroom than the other one in the alley way and promised the latter to visit him tomorrow arvo.

hmm......

I find the behaviour by the men disgusting but it might not be rape.

having said that, i don't understand why people would put themselves in that situation in the first place (both the men and woman).

 

[thejester]

What i want to know is this Justin* bloke has been sledged at local footy for being a rapist and whatnot, yet there is no mention of his name in here, or in any article I've read. How does the general public know who to sledge? Does he carry around a sign?

His name was (legally) reported at the time, Krien just chose to use a different name IIRC.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

I think I'm within the guidelines here.

But for all the rubbish that the media this article proves one thing, a solid case could not be made.

For all crap that was said to have happened a full jury and a reporter were not sure that the girl had been r*ped.

The book itself is overwhelmingly biased and becomes less objective when viewed as a whole.

I rate it 2/5.

 

[jim boy]

I don't like it at all.

The author encourages the reader to speculate about what happened, to form opinions on the people involved. I didn't get any sense of the author pursuing a miscarriage of justice that needs to be righted. Speculating on serious crime like this creates angst for the victims and simply on its own can't make things right. This shouldn't be a game of spot the rapist or liar. It seems to me she was exploiting a serious crime to push her own barrow.

 

[Stamos]

Put together by an angry woman, disregard.

You didn't read it, did you?

 

[Dont be a lemon]

I was always under the impression (from what came out at the time) that Beams played a "shoulder to cry on" role in the situation, as in, the girl came to him after the incident to discuss what someone else he knew had done to her.

Felt compelled but wasn't forced, first with 4 men in the bedroom than the other one in the alley way and promised the latter to visit him tomorrow arvo.

hmm......

Woodward and Bernstein right here...

 

[bomberclifford]

My guess is the girl, (and the guys), had taken certain substances that increase libido and decrease inhibition, which would have also made the events unclear to everyone involved. It's possible that consent could have been perceived by the men at the same time that she felt she was being 'compelled' to do something against her will.

The way this extract is written, it seems to suggest that *Justin was offered as a scape goat and Galbally's initial involvement was, as the writer puts, "to control the narrative". This to me is the most damning part of the entire story. So much for *Justin being a 'good mate' of Beams.

 

[skilts]

I don't like it at all.

The author encourages the reader to speculate about what happened, to form opinions on the people involved. I didn't get any sense of the author pursuing a miscarriage of justice that needs to be righted. Speculating on serious crime like this creates angst for the victims and simply on its own can't make things right. This shouldn't be a game of spot the rapist or liar. It seems to me she was exploiting a serious crime to push her own barrow.

An article which invites people to think, without them having their hands held, could be construed as a good thing. That the author appeared not to be pushing her own agenda could be similarly viewed.

She was reporting evidence given in open court, as she's perfectly entitled to do. To give this evidence more currency, she reported what she encountered while covering the case. I'd call it an exemplary piece of journalism. Others would see her work as not fulfilling their requirements of being spoon-fed what to think.

Can't comment on the rest of the book, which might indeed be dross.

 

[skilts]

My guess is the girl, (and the guys), had taken certain substances that increase libido and decrease inhibition, which would have also made the events unclear to everyone involved. It's possible that consent could have been perceived by the men at the same time that she felt she was being 'compelled' to do something against her will.

The way this extract is written, it seems to suggest that *Justin was offered as a scape goat and Galbally's initial involvement was, as the writer puts, "to control the narrative". This to me is the most damning part of the entire story. So much for *Justin being a 'good mate' of Beams.

Hardly surprising though.

 

[Falchoon]

St Kilda supporter starting this topic

Collingwood supporter addressing the messenger rather than the message

 

[Falchoon]

Think the most interesting thing that David Galbally QC, (who at that time was Collingwood's legal representative ) was initially acting for Justin.

That part doesn't make sense.

I would suggest the article is actively questioning Galbally's involvement, and has been rather carefully worded so as not to directly question Galbally's involvement.

It's an interesting one for the bush lawyers.




What thought was given to a 10k a day QC representing a ~$50k per annum 22 year old? and at what point was the 22 year old informed of the fees and responsibilty for payment?

Caveat Emptor?

But I guess the real question in the tone of the article is

Did Galbally act in the best interests of his client? and if so, which one?

 

[skilts]

The whole thing seems very strange. From that article there was no mention of Justin* the next morning until he called and also texted? and then he was all of a sudden the prime suspect.
.Would be interesting to hear what the Taxi driver had to say.

The most likely reason for this might be that the cops saw Justin's case as being more likely to yield a result. Not enough is known to make an informed judgement on so much of this case. If it be thought that Galbally's work was exorbitantly expensive, it would pale into insignificance compared to what the publisher of this book spent on running it past the lawyers.

I have experience of a close friend being (falsely) accused of a similar crime, within the past couple of years. He went through a particularly horrendous series of encounters with cops over six months, before they decided not to charge him. Cases like these are often about subtle shade of grey where the issue of consent, informed or otherwise, comes into play. Whether consent may have been withdrawn at some stage can also be a factor. 'Cut and dried' is not a usually a phrase which can easily be employed about such cases.

 

[Geddy Lee]

great observation!!! did you read the extract?

Before BigFooty, I didn't know that Collingwood supporters could use computers.

 

[J_Moore]

Did the writer deliberately choose the surname of a Richmond legend (Dyer) to use as the fake name of the alleged rapist?

Might be a good time to take a step back from footy, mate.

 

[whiteoak]

So, I wonder when *Justin and Beamsy are going to get together over a few pints and reminisce about old times?

That poor bastard is the classic definition of a fall guy, and it is his family who has paid the price.

Very good article, but disgusting behaviour morally, and ethically, from many characters within.

 

[jim boy]

An article which invites people to think, without them having their hands held, could be construed as a good thing. That the author appeared not to be pushing her own agenda could be similarly viewed.

She was reporting evidence given in open court, as she's perfectly entitled to do. To give this evidence more currency, she reported what she encountered while covering the case. I'd call it an exemplary piece of journalism. Others would see her work as not fulfilling their requirements of being spoon-fed what to think.

Cobblers! The author can be said to have inferred that the alleged rape victim was not particularly perturbed by said rape, but based this assumption on nothing more than heresay and rumour. For example she quotes the alleged rapist's girlfriend as saying that the victim doesn't look traumatised, then tries to justify this bit of scuttlebutt by countering by airily and unconvincingly saying that people who can have different reactions. But that is too late, the seed has been planted. Is that exemplary journalism? Sure, from an English point of view, it's a well written article, but from a responsible journalistic POV, it's somewhat questionable.

 

[skilts]

Cobblers! The author can be said to have inferred that the alleged rape victim was not particularly perturbed by said rape, but based this assumption on nothing more than heresay and rumour. For example she quotes the alleged rapist's girlfriend as saying that the victim doesn't look traumatised, then tries to justify this bit of scuttlebutt by countering by airily and unconvincingly saying that people who can have different reactions. But that is too late, the seed has been planted. Is that exemplary journalism? Sure, from an English point of view, it's a well written article, but from a responsible journalistic POV, it's somewhat questionable.

Oh well, it seems I was right. You think it a bad idea to cause readers to think.

 

[Chief]

Put together by an angry woman, disregard.

I hope that's sarcastic...

 

[Doctor Feel]

I hope that's sarcastic...

Of course it is, it's just a reflection of a general attitude I've seen recently, poor old caro

 

[Chief]

Collingwood supporter addressing the messenger rather than the message

Starting to look like an episode of Miranda, are we?