Book to be released that covers the Dayne Beams rape allegations

[jim boy]

You act as if nobody has ever insulted you before. I find that impossible to believe. New to BigFooty, are we?

CLAC! Three running and still no substance, one more and I'll be out of witty and humorous acronyms.

 

[skilts]

CLAC! Three running and still no substance, one more and I'll be out of witty and humorous acronyms.

It's very difficult to run out of something you've never possessed.

 

[xxxWillxxx]

The whole thing seems very strange. From that article there was no mention of Justin* the next morning until he called and also texted? and then he was all of a sudden the prime suspect.
.Would be interesting to hear what the Taxi driver had to say.

But the Magistrates' Court also heard evidence the woman was holding hands with Mr Pope when they left the townhouse, they were kissing and embracing in the street and the taxi driver who later drove them said they were sitting close together.​

 

[Partridge]

Am I reading this wrong, or does it seem like the Collingwood players were ignored while "Justin" faced the charges alone, and the parameters for the trial were so narrow as to exclude some fairly important events?

Put it this way, one of those people questioned had no money behind him, no powerful and rich organisation to look after him, and no control of the media and how it would be reported. Others did.

Nothing new here.

 

[Partridge]

Personally, I don't want to sleep with a woman who isn't 100% in to the moment and wanting me. If I have to rely on peer group pressure, someone else getting her naked and convincing her, drugs, alcohol etc... blergh, that aint sex.

Rape is 0% about sex and 100% about power.

 

[jim boy]

It's very difficult to run out of something you've never possessed.

GLAG! And bingo, I'm all done (albeit scrapping the barrel a bit).

 

[Donners]

What annoys me the most is anybody who has been around before can almost see how this played out with the girl she was really into this guy he asked if a couple mates could get involved she thought while being probally blind on god knows what party drugs was down for a crazy night.

She wakes up the next day feels terrible probably knows the guy is not going call her back after his mates ran a train through her and starts saying she was r*ped now i am not saying she was going there for that to happen but she did not knock it back when lets face it most strong females would get up and say no way i am not that type of girl and leave.

Anyone who has the caveman attitude which helps perpetuate these sort of incidents, perhaps.

It's astonishing that so much ignorance could be contained within a mere two paragraphs.

 

[skilts]

Rape is 0% about sex and 100% about power.

Which is why so many men employ vibrators for the task.

 

[skilts]

GLAG! And bingo, I'm all done (albeit scrapping the barrel a bit).

It would have been better to scrap its contents, rather than the barrel.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

But the Magistrates' Court also heard evidence the woman was holding hands with Mr Pope when they left the townhouse, they were kissing and embracing in the street and the taxi driver who later drove them said they were sitting close together.​

Interesting indeed, thanks.

 

[Old Spice]

Hopefully this post is within the rules mentioned above?

Haven't really been aware of this story till now. But have I read the article wrong? It seems the journalist is concluding that the girl was a willing participant from the bedroom to the alleyway. That engaging in consenual sex in the alleyway immediately after the bedroom sex, is an indicator of that. The Justin* guy says in the article he knew she had just engaged in group sex, and didnt want her yelling rape against C'wood the next day, and her saying, "im not that type to do that", further indicating she was a willing participant. However, I'd have to read the girl's version of events, etc, to pick out the inconsistencies in the Justin*/Cwood version. If she really was willing, fueled by adrenalin/whatever, perhaps the next day she felt shame? Or perhaps she really did get r*ped? But, then you go back to that she consented to alleyway sex right afterwards. And then back into the nightclub lifestyle weeks/months later. The journalist does raise a good question, why the bedroom and alleyway incidents were split apart, the former not part of the prosecutions plan to charge the players.

This story is perhaps indicative of how some of these football group sex rape allegations seem to often end up as "no charges laid" on the footballers. That mix of consent and fear, etc, and actions previous and after. Not including those that end up with the players "settling out of court". Not sure why settling out of court buys a way out of conviction...if the police want to actually continue to press charges.

It is notoriously hard to prove or disprove consent in a sexual assault case. A friend of mine works for the DPP and there are a lot of football players that find themselves in this situation. Settling out of court should not be seen as a pay-off, nor should it be seen as opportunists making a play for money. Each case is difficult to assess because it is extremely hard to prove motivation or consent.

 

[neroblack]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/accused-acquitted-over-grandfinal-rape-20120301-1u50x.html

This article is also interesting. Thread title should be changed too. So the end result of this is that Beams and McCarthy may or may not have known anything about these rape charges, where the accused was found not guilty on all charges.

 

[whiteoak]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/accused-acquitted-over-grandfinal-rape-20120301-1u50x.html

This article is also interesting. Thread title should be changed too. So the end result of this is that Beams and McCarthy may or may not have known anything about these rape charges, where the accused was found not guilty on all charges.

Which is exactly what Galbally would have intended from the beginning.

 

[skilts]

The only thing of any substance re: footy to come out of this is that Collingwood employed the very expensive Galbally on the family's behalf, and then landed them with the outrageous bill. It seems fair to assume that, left to their own devices, the family would not have engaged such a high-profile, expensive brief. I think it also fair to say that when Collingwood engaged Galbally on their behalf, the club would not have mentioned the family's potential financial liability, if things went better for their players than the club initially thought. Nothing illegal or immoral as such in Collingwood's actions, maybe just unthinking/uncaring. It's not too late to set this right.

 

[xxxWillxxx]

Nice try collingwood were the uninvolved third party

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Pope and the woman were later seen getting into a taxi, whose driver told the court the pair sat close together and talked softly. The man gave the woman a goodbye kiss at his Elwood home, before she got back into the taxi and went to another suburb, the driver said. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/court-told-of-drinkspiking-fear-20110704-1gz3c.html#ixzz2SUx4MJvo

 

[whiteoak]

Nice try collingwood were the uninvolved third party

Yeah. That's why they immediately engaged such a high profile QC.

Because, they had nothing to worry about.

 

[skilts]

Nice try collingwood were the uninvolved third party

Are you saying that Collingwood had no hand in enlisting Galbally's services to represent the lad?

 

[PieBeast]

There's a possibility Galabally was engaged due to Collingwood not wanting people to know our players were involved in group sex with the willing participant, a very distinct possibility I might add.

 

[whiteoak]

There's a possibility Galabally was engaged due to Collingwood not wanting people to know our players were involved in group sex with the willing participant, a very distinct possibility I might add.

LOL! Oh come off it PB. You're better than that mate.

That's like using a sledge hammer to squash a pea.

 

[PieBeast]

LOL! Oh come off it PB. You're better than that mate.

That's like using a sledge hammer to squash a pea.

Well I'm not denying something fishy went down but as I mentioned earlier the fact we didn't foot *Justin's legal bill somewhat eases my fears.
The other thing is, along with implying our boys were involved the article does hint in no uncertain terms at they type of girl *Sarah is/was. The taxi driver's statement does not help her cause either.

 

[PapaJ]

The only thing of any substance re: footy to come out of this is that Collingwood employed the very expensive Galbally on the family's behalf, and then landed them with the outrageous bill. It seems fair to assume that, left to their own devices, the family would not have engaged such a high-profile, expensive brief. I think it also fair to say that when Collingwood engaged Galbally on their behalf, the club would not have mentioned the family's potential financial liability, if things went better for their players than the club initially thought. Nothing illegal or immoral as such in Collingwood's actions, maybe just unthinking/uncaring. It's not too late to set this right.

If what you're saying is correct, I'd argue that it was immoral. That is, to seemingly supply the Galbally services to ensure, among other things, that their interests are maintained, only to get the family to ultimately foot the bill. That 'technicality' aside, I agree.

Like you say though, they could put this right, but could they do it without drawing certain implications that they don't want? Could they do it on the quiet? Would there be legal issues in doing so?

 

[lepregnome]

Well I'm not denying something fishy went down but as I mentioned earlier the fact we didn't foot *Justin's legal bill somewhat eases my fears.
The other thing is, along with implying our boys were involved the article does hint in no uncertain terms at they type of girl *Sarah is/was. The taxi driver's statement does not help her cause either.

What type of girl would that be?

 

[Moley Russels Wart]

How come every ones name has been changed except Beams??

 

[istillbelieve]

How come every ones name has been changed except Beams??

Trying to get coverage they would not get without his name