Traded Brad Hill [traded with future 3rd to St Kilda for Acres, #10, #58, future 2nd and 4th]

[Snuffaluphagus]

Oh so Acres contract comes into play but Hills doesn't? He's pick 5 on talent alone.

If 1 year on a contract pushes Acres from steak knives to worth something then where does 2 years left on Hills push him past 5?

They think he's worth 15ish on talent

I personally think he'd be 8-12 if uncontracted but appreciate the talking up =)

 

[boncer34]

He’s worth a late first uncontracted. 5 is more then enough. There’s a huge difference between 15-18 and 5 in any draft. Acres is worth a early third uncontracted. I think because of the
A. Interest you have in him, (sources are Facebook and the Roar , as well as Fox Sports)
B. The Contract he’s under
C. The potential he has
D. The fact 5 is still overs for Hill regardless of his contract, he sits in the 8-12 range.

For these reasons Acres worth pick 24 this year.

Trade should look like;
Hill and pick 24 for Acres and 5.

You’re welcome.

A triple premiership, best and fairest wingman about to enter his prime is worth a late first uncontracted?

Turn it up.

I do like that all those reasons push Acres up about 20 picks in the draft but those same reasons and the extra year only move Hill up 7 to 10 picks.

 

[schmuttt]

As a neutral I'd rate Hill worth pick 5 and probably a 3rd round upgrade, Acres is worth around the 30-40 mark. Something like Hill + Freo 2020 3rd for pick 5 + Acres seems fair to me.

 

[boncer34]

As a neutral I'd rate Hill worth pick 5 and probably a 3rd round upgrade, Acres is worth around the 30-40 mark. Something like Hill + Freo 2020 3rd for pick 5 + Acres seems fair to me.

Pretty much this

 

[Blackas87]

so how much by that logic would someone who makes the AA squad cost ??

Age also comes into it, but an AA in their prime would be worth pick 1 plus more.

Kreuzer, Watts, Scully, Swallow, Patton, Boyd, McCartin have never been All Australian’s. The last 2 pick ones to get All Australian are Whitfield and Marc Murphy. Having pick one doesn’t guarantee that you’re going to get an All Australian star.

If a club with pick 1 wanted to trade for an All Australian in their prime they should be giving it up plus more. I’d rather the a guaranteed star over a potential player.

How do you come up with your value of Hill?

 

[theGav56]

Does it matter to any Freo supporter in here that Blake is contracted? He is also happy to go home but is quite happy in Melbourne too. I hope like hell that he stays at St Kilda next year to fulfil his potential with a full preseason under a decent coach.

Not really. Up to you guys to get the deal done and he seems like an option you could use to achieve that. Just need to find the cream for that nice juicy first round pick you have.

By the way, at his age why are we still talking about potential? Pretty much what you get is what you get by his stage of career.

 

[Joao]

Does it matter to any Freo supporter in here that Blake is contracted? He is also happy to go home but is quite happy in Melbourne too. I hope like hell that he stays at St Kilda next year to fulfil his potential with a full preseason under a decent coach.

I think a fair few of us would probably rather another pick than Acres. Contract matters if Saints genuinely want to keep him and we genuinely want him though.

 

[theGav56]

if he wasnt out of contract you would be getting a pick between 15 and 20 for Hill the fact he is contracted that values him at 5 its overs but its what you have to pay for a contracted player ... wanting steak knives ontop of an already inflated overs offer is giving an inch and taking a mile ... i hope my club have no problem telling your club to go EAD if they want more than a top 5 pick for a guy who didnt make the AA squad let alone the AA team...

Hillarious.

You say because he is contracted he is valued at 5, which means that pick 5 is not overs. It means that is what you think the actual value for him when contracted. It is a starting point for a trade, clearly spelled out by Bell. From there the buyer in this case needs to negotiate a deal to persuade the seller to release the contracted player, which is never going to be what their value is. It will be a sliding scale between how desperate the buyer is (which in Saints case is clearly verging on desperate evidenced by the salary on offer), balanced against how keen to sell the seller is (which in this case is not urgent for Fremantle because he is bound by a 2 year iron clad contract). Very reminiscent of the Suns eh, and I can feel another sunny day on the horizon.

Being valued at less when he is out of contract means he is undervalued, not that it is his real value. When he is out of contract there is no realistic negotiation. Compare the Dangerfield trade with the Gibbs deal for evidence. Cats underpaid for a far better player than Gibbs, and Adelaide sold the farm to get a deal for Gibbs. One contracted, one not; see if you can spot which is which.

Another example is the Giants with McCarthy. Worried about the player exodus and valuing McCarthy highly they knocked back a reported offer of 2 x first round picks. Fast forward 12 months and they scramble an upgrade of a couple if picks for a player they were looking to de-list.

 

[Freomaniac]

His best moments have been when he is playing mid but he is mostly played forward.
Its not just on the coaches but I don't think they have helped

sounds about right.

Mind you Acres is 193cm so he is acutally tall enough to play CHF to be honest.

Freo made fyfe play CHF with mixed results.

if your 190cm and 90kg, you are going to be favoured than players that are 180-185cm.

If your 190cm mid, your half expected to get some game time up forward on a flank if your a younger player.

 

[Puregold]

You think it is the coaches fault he has been so ordinary?

It is when it comes to Blakley

 

[theGav56]

It is when it comes to Blakley

He is playing in one of the easiest positions on the ground having been exposed early as not being strong enough defensively. He also has demonstrated attitude issues as well as injuries. Reality is that if he was in our best midfielders he'd be playing midfield, but until then.....our best midfielders are preferred.

 

[Freomaniac]

doesnt Freo have an accademy player they want to bid on this year ? if the trade falls through St Kilda should just bid on him with thier first just to make them pay more

You are really that bitter we stole zac dawson off you that you will do those types of tactics?

 

[theGav56]

You are really that bitter we stole zac dawson off you that you will do those types of tactics?

Why would we take him when it would likely mean Young or Stephens etc are available. If you want to bid pick 5 on a player valued in the mid teens go for it. He'd be coming back to WA in no time anyway.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

If there's one club where spite does come into it, it's your mob.

How many years did Freo supporters have to hear the crying about Ross Lyon and what he did and didn't do.

Freo supporters are already less bitter towards Ross than some Saints supporters.

ummm i reckon if the same had been done in reverse you would squeel like stuck pigs as well ...


Freo supporters are already less bitter towards Ross than some Saints supporters - no shit sherlock ... you sacked the bloke why would you be biter at him ? now if instead of signing a contract extention at the end of your grand final run he had uped and left unexpectedly you might feel a little differant ...

as for spite remind me again how the Dockers most memorable moment was a game where you got into a fist fight with the WCE ...

 

[The Joker]

Saints have gone hard for him because it is the second consecutive year he has asked to be traded back to Melbourne. And from the timeline Hill's manager has described, Freo are willing to facilitate a trade this year.

When I said he requested a trade last year, it only cake about on the weekend break of trade week. So as bad as it sounds, its really a non issue!

This season though...

 

[Lach72]

That is not “best outcome for both teams”
Hill for pick 5
-Or-
Hill and 2019 (or 2020) round 2 pick
For
Pick 5 and Acres.

Gross

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

I've got a counter theory to your "we have a lot of money and have to spend it somewhere theory".

It's called the Brad Hill is a league 10th in average metres gained whilst the closest Saint is Seb Ross at #50 theory.

I've got to work on the title a tad.

by that logic Jack Steele would be worth pick 2 in a trade to freo cause he is second in the AFL for tackles and the nearest Freo player is Brayshaw at 21

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Oh so Acres contract comes into play but Hills doesn't? He's pick 5 on talent alone.

If 1 year on a contract pushes Acres from steak knives to worth something then where does 2 years left on Hills push him past 5?

on talent alone Hill is worth pick 15 to 20 but as he is contracted pick 5 is more than enough for him we most certainly are not discounting the fact he is contracted ... but it seems that Freo fans forget that Acres is contracted as well when it comes to getting him as a third rounder or a freebie ontop of pick 5 ....

 

[theGav56]

ummm i reckon if the same had been done in reverse you would squeel like stuck pigs as well ...


Freo supporters are already less bitter towards Ross than some Saints supporters - no s**t sherlock ... you sacked the bloke why would you be biter at him ? now if instead of signing a contract extention at the end of your grand final run he had uped and left unexpectedly you might feel a little differant ...

as for spite remind me again how the Dockers most memorable moment was a game where you got into a fist fight with the WCE ...

Yeah Saints have problems getting deals done. We get it.

 

[theGav56]

on talent alone Hill is worth pick 15 to 20 but as he is contracted pick 5 is more than enough for him we most certainly are not discounting the fact he is contracted ... but it seems that Freo fans forget that Acres is contracted as well when it comes to getting him as a third rounder or a freebie ontop of pick 5 ....

We don't care about Acres. He is steak knives. If you don't want to throw him in, keep him.

 

[Yeti]

We don't care about Acres. He is steak knives. If you don't want to throw him in, keep him.

They should keep him.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

on talent alone Hill is worth pick 15 to 20 but as he is contracted pick 5 is more than enough for him we most certainly are not discounting the fact he is contracted ... but it seems that Freo fans forget that Acres is contracted as well when it comes to getting him as a third rounder or a freebie ontop of pick 5 ....

Can you repeat that?

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Age also comes into it, but an AA in their prime would be worth pick 1 plus more.

Kreuzer, Watts, Scully, Swallow, Patton, Boyd, McCartin have never been All Australian’s. The last 2 pick ones to get All Australian are Whitfield and Marc Murphy. Having pick one doesn’t guarantee that you’re going to get an All Australian star.

If a club with pick 1 wanted to trade for an All Australian in their prime they should be giving it up plus more. I’d rather the a guaranteed star over a potential player.

How do you come up with your value of Hill?

Hills value is based on what freo got him from Hawthorn (while still contracted) the fact so if an AA player is worth pick 1 and a guy not in the AA squad is worth more than 5 are we saying a player named in the AA squad is what worth pick 3 ????
ive heard some crazy ideas but this is right up there

 

[boncer34]

on talent alone Hill is worth pick 15 to 20 but as he is contracted pick 5 is more than enough for him we most certainly are not discounting the fact he is contracted ... but it seems that Freo fans forget that Acres is contracted as well when it comes to getting him as a third rounder or a freebie ontop of pick 5 ....

What's Acres worth out of contract?

 

[Freomaniac]

You fired him, one day he was our coach, the next yours.

Me, along with most freo supporters have moved on with Old man Ross Lyon.

Some of you saints fans have not.

If Ross Lyon coaches another AFL team, i have no hard feelings for it.


Look at the old man ross pics.