Traded Brad Hill [traded with future 3rd to St Kilda for Acres, #10, #58, future 2nd and 4th]

[Freomaniac]

What's Acres worth out of contract?

same as Ed Langdon. Easily pick 25-30, Possibly 35. This is based on that he is 193 cm and can play various roles even though he is an inside mid.

 

[Moo]

by that logic Jack Steele would be worth pick 2 in a trade to freo cause he is second in the AFL for tackles and the nearest Freo player is Brayshaw at 21

Why pick 2, surely it would be pick 6?

...and yes I agree he is worth that..... the moment we table a 6 year, 5.4 million dollar deal and Steele adds another year onto his contract - let's talk.

Maybe we could straight swap?

Also from October 28 2014

I demand we draft Jack Steele ...a name like that can't fail.

As Jack Steele says, Jack Steele knows football and football knows Jack Steele

 

[Peel67skin]

Me, along with most freo supporters have moved on with Old man Ross Lyon.

Some of you saints fans have not.

If Ross Lyon coaches another AFL team, i have no hard feelings for it.


Look at the old man ross pics.


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Very ugly to look at. Please be considerate he is your former coach.

 

[boncer34]

same as Ed Langdon. Easily pick 25-30, Possibly 35. This is based on that he is 193 cm and can play various roles even though he is an inside mid.

Nah.

He's not as good as Langdon.

 

[Blackas87]

Hills value is based on what freo got him from Hawthorn (while still contracted) the fact so if an AA player is worth pick 1 and a guy not in the AA squad is worth more than 5 are we saying a player named in the AA squad is what worth pick 3 ????
ive heard some crazy ideas but this is right up there

I’m saying an AA player is worth more than pick 1. Pick 1 could end up being Paddy McCartin or Jack Watts. Pick 3 is a bargain for an AA but there wouldn’t be an exact set value on any player, but a guaranteed player is worth more than a draft pick.

Hill is and outside winger, why go after him when Ash, Stephens and Young all play similar styles and are expected to be in the top 10 of this years draft, just take one of them with pick 5, they might end being as good as Toumpas.

Why go through the hassle of a trade when you can pick up the same type of player in the draft.

Hill is a much better player over the past 3 years than when he was at Hawthorn, although Fremantle still paid unders imo

 

[Gosaints12]

A triple premiership, best and fairest wingman about to enter his prime is worth a late first uncontracted?

Turn it up.

I do like that all those reasons push Acres up about 20 picks in the draft but those same reasons and the extra year only move Hill up 7 to 10 picks.

Maybe I’ve underrated Hill, but Acres isn’t steak knifes. Every reason except the one about Hill being overs is fair enough.

Hill and 24 for Hill and 5. Or get another club involved. A Freo supporter had a trade with the doggies I liked.

 

[fnerd]

ummm i reckon if the same had been done in reverse you would squeel like stuck pigs as well ...


Freo supporters are already less bitter towards Ross than some Saints supporters - no s**t sherlock ... you sacked the bloke why would you be biter at him ? now if instead of signing a contract extention at the end of your grand final run he had uped and left unexpectedly you might feel a little differant ...

as for spite remind me again how the Dockers most memorable moment was a game where you got into a fist fight with the WCE ...

No one cares mate , this is the brad hill trade thread.

Everyone knows your obsession with all things freo but try and put that aside for a minute (impossible for you I know) ,quite simply-brad hill 2 years to run on a contract and your club offering 900 grand a year = pick 5 and an early 2nd....Bare minimum.

Nothing more back your way , zilch , nada ,nothing.

Don’t like it , too bad no brad for you , we keep him and we can come back next year to do it all again , still with all the same elements at play.

Or you can take your pick 5 and draft another McCartin or trade it for your next busted up dan hannerbury recruit

So stop your whining cause that’s what’s it going to cost your club so that’s what your desperate club will pay

End of

 

[Gosaints12]

Hillarious.

You say because he is contracted he is valued at 5, which means that pick 5 is not overs. It means that is what you think the actual value for him when contracted. It is a starting point for a trade, clearly spelled out by Bell. From there the buyer in this case needs to negotiate a deal to persuade the seller to release the contracted player, which is never going to be what their value is. It will be a sliding scale between how desperate the buyer is (which in Saints case is clearly verging on desperate evidenced by the salary on offer), balanced against how keen to sell the seller is (which in this case is not urgent for Fremantle because he is bound by a 2 year iron clad contract). Very reminiscent of the Suns eh, and I can feel another sunny day on the horizon.

Being valued at less when he is out of contract means he is undervalued, not that it is his real value. When he is out of contract there is no realistic negotiation. Compare the Dangerfield trade with the Gibbs deal for evidence. Cats underpaid for a far better player than Gibbs, and Adelaide sold the farm to get a deal for Gibbs. One contracted, one not; see if you can spot which is which.

Another example is the Giants with McCarthy. Worried about the player exodus and valuing McCarthy highly they knocked back a reported offer of 2 x first round picks. Fast forward 12 months and they scramble an upgrade of a couple if picks for a player they were looking to de-list.

Sad pun.

 

[Gosaints12]

by that logic Jack Steele would be worth pick 2 in a trade to freo cause he is second in the AFL for tackles and the nearest Freo player is Brayshaw at 21

I’d give him for 2 if any Melbourne or GC fans are listening?

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Colin Young is forcing Acres out of the Saints.

 

[The Joker]

He has two years left on his contract at Freo, note he also had a year left on his contract at Hawthorn when he left for Freo. Everyone knows this. What's your point exactly?

Blake also has a year left on his contract at St Kilda which is a fact lost on most Freo supporters who think he will be either steak knives or a 3rd/4th round pick.

If you can't understand where Acres fits into this and how his contract counts for SFA, I seriously suggest you stop taking digs at, well, anyone!

 

[maccamk]

Has there actually been any indication Acres is or wants to leave the Saints. Sounds a little like hyperbole at the moment

 

[Clems Knee]

Has there actually been any indication Acres is or wants to leave the Saints. Sounds a little like hyperbole at the moment

I’ve spoken to someone who knows his family. The someone thinks he’s likely to come home. Pretty flimsy, I know.

 

[schmuttt]

same as Ed Langdon. Easily pick 25-30, Possibly 35. This is based on that he is 193 cm and can play various roles even though he is an inside mid.

Langdon despite his limitations is still well a fair bit more than Acres.

 

[The Joker]

Why does Acres contract matter?

BlacreJacks, st_trav_ofWA, anyone???

 

[The Joker]

I’m saying an AA player is worth more than pick 1. Pick 1 could end up being Paddy McCartin or Jack Watts. Pick 3 is a bargain for an AA but there wouldn’t be an exact set value on any player, but a guaranteed player is worth more than a draft pick.

Hill is and outside winger, why go after him when Ash, Stephens and Young all play similar styles and are expected to be in the top 10 of this years draft, just take one of them with pick 5, they might end being as good as Toumpas.

Why go through the hassle of a trade when you can pick up the same type of player in the draft.

Hill is a much better player over the past 3 years than when he was at Hawthorn, although Fremantle still paid unders imo

I think it's because they have to spend the money now or lose it, some shit like that!

 

[BrutThough]

Has there actually been any indication Acres is or wants to leave the Saints. Sounds a little like hyperbole at the moment

Pretty sure he loves living in Melbourne and doesn't have a huge draw to return Perth to play his footy.

 

[TheJackal]

BlacreJacks, st_trav_ofWA, anyone???

Nice trolling but I'll bite. His contract matters because there are plenty of Freo supporters who just want him thrown in to the deal for the sake of it because, well, WA. He is being undervalued and the fact he is under contract is being ignored, yet the fact that Hill is contracted is being treated totally differently. Im not valuing the two even close to the same level but nuffies have either trolled this thread really well or they are just generally daft.

All we know is that Saints have money to burn, they offered the best option for Hill so he has nominated us. Bell has rightfully come out and said that pick 5 needs to be part of any trade.

Thats all anyone knows, the Saints supporter would want to hope he is meaning Freo will give something extra, the Freo supporter expects it to mean Saints need to add to it. Thats where Blake comes in, yes he is from WA but he is still contracted and young, talented and worthy of a decent second rounder on his own, he isn't a VFL steak knives role player who will leave for nothing in other words.

Saints have made no secret of wanting to split pick 5, so fair play to Bell to talk tough early on - its the obvious play to deter the Saints from doing so - giving himself a very good if not probable chance to get that pick in.

Im done with this thread, the last few pages have possibly been the most excruciatingly painful to read since I joined BF. Happy to discuss any developments in the future but there is some ridiculous posting going on at the moment.

 

[Moo]

Nice trolling but I'll bite. His contract matters because there are plenty of Freo supporters who just want him thrown in to the deal for the sake of it because, well, WA.

I suggest you have a look at The Roar, The Age, The West, AFL.com, Sen and FoxSports ...all conjecture granted but all have raised him as a potential trade.

To suggest Freo fans here are just throwing him in here cos he’s from WA is simply not true.

 

[Freomaniac]

Pretty sure he loves living in Melbourne and doesn't have a huge draw to return Perth to play his footy.

if you want to punish someone you dislike, banish them to Adelaide and let the poor campaigner rot there lol

 

[joop]

if you want to punish someone you dislike, banish them to Adelaide and let the poor campaigner rot there lol

Or send them to play for Freo.

 

[hk89]

Hills value is based on what freo got him from Hawthorn (while still contracted) the fact so if an AA player is worth pick 1 and a guy not in the AA squad is worth more than 5 are we saying a player named in the AA squad is what worth pick 3 ????
ive heard some crazy ideas but this is right up there

Hill was a bottom 6 player (in admittedly a very good team) for most of his time at Hawthorn. Which doesn't mean he wasn't valuable to us - he was - and just like our other bottom 6 players like Poppy -, he played a very important role. However he had some limitations that were frustrating at times. These limitations have become less relevant now, as he's developed further since his shift to Freo (not surprisingly given how young he was when he left).

His improvement allowed him to win Freo's B&F. Keep in mind, this is a player that averaged 17 possessions a game in his final year at Hawthorn, and 25 this year at Freo (and peaked at 20.4 average possesssions in his best year at Hawthorn). If you think his trade value when he left Hawthorn sets his price, then you are deluded. That's even assuming we let him go at fair market rates, when many think we let him go for unders.

As for marking down his value because he's not been named AA, everyone knows the spots for wingers are often used to squeeze extra inside midfielders into
the team. If they actually chose the two best wingers each year, he'd probably have at least 1 over his career - as would other specialist wingers like Isaac Smith. Hill can play more than just outside now too, just not well enough to force a spot when they are using his natural position to fit players like Kelly and Bontempelli into the side (the two players named on the wing this year).

He's probably not worth two first rounders , despite being better at what he does than say a Dylan Shiel is at what Dylan does, because Hill's not elite enough inside to impact the game like some elite inside/outside mids can, but I'll be very surprised if Freo doesn't get at least pick 5 for him given his contracted status and the level he's performed since leaving Hawthorn.

If I was a Saints fan, I wouldn't be too worried about the first rounder aspect of the trade - I think he justifies it - I'd be much more worried about fitting his rumoured salary demands into the overall salary structure. I'm sure saints can afford him, but there is more to managing your cap than fitting one guy in, there is how he fits alongside everyone else, and what his salary does to setting wage expectations for the rest of your players, some of which might be playing roles that have a more direct impact on your results.

I'd also be a little concerned about Hill's indecision on his preferred living location. What if he splits up with his girlfriend, is there anything else tying him to Melbourne? If that happens, how long until he wants to be around family again? I guess 900k for a few years might be enough to lessen his home sickness, but he didn't play well for us when homesick, his best games in 2016 were after we told him we'd try to get the trade back home done, and he'd been underwhelming in games prior to that.

 

[Freomaniac]

Or send them to play for Freo.

I hope you get banished to Adelaide in your final years of your miserable life!

 

[Paracleet]

Our club wants him. Yes. Bad is probably a word that won't be used in the negotiation.

The money offered is a) to make the Saints choice no.1 for Brad and b) to dissuade other suitors. It's already done what it was designed to do.

Have no doubt, Brad's manager will be aware roughly of the Saints maximum trade price, anything over that will see Brad remain at freo, if you believe that is best for club and player go for it, our fall back position is take pick 5 to the draft keep Blake Acres and have roughly $700k to spend.

Brads manager is without scruple and if Freo ask too much for the Saints blood and don't budge then the narrative will rapidly be switched against you. He couldn't give a stuff about your interests.

 

[Senor M]

What if St Kilda 'split' Pick 5 by trading Pick 5 to Brisbane for their first Round pick (tied to Collingwood) and Brisbane's Pick 19.

Trade Pick 15-18 & Blake Acres for Brad Hill

Then trade Pick 19 to Sydney for Zac Jones.