Brandon Jennings: Rookie of the Year

[Byron_Clanger]

it will come down to Jennings and Evans from Sacramento, Jennings should romp in the voting

 

[Messenger]

Hes taking 3.7 3pt per game, and 17.5 shots overall. How is that a bad ratio? Plus hes getting to the line so its not like a majority of his points are courtesy of the 3 ball.

Well after the Golden State game he's now taken 21.5% of his shots from 3 and taking nearly 20 a game.

Jennings is on the ultimate hot hand: 50% FG% and after today 56.6% of his threes are dropping. When the "industry standard" is 40% he is cooking. His net PER (11.7) is brilliant and when he is on the court the Bucks are substantially better.

He has got to the line in his last two outings (16 FTA), but his first five yielded only 13 FTA.

He is a shoot first PG; 72% of his shots are in the first 15 seconds of the clock and a full half are in the first 10 seconds of the clock. And most (3/4) are mid range or longer jump shots. When he is sinking them like he is everyone is pleased. But when his numbers drop, he could go from superstar to offensive black hole pretty quickly.

That's right, spread the love my man, good to see you're not influenced by the ill-informed analyst driven mantra: Europe bad. NBA good. therefore Jennings bad. anyone who not go to Europe good.

Jennings was a better high school player than anyone in this draft class, was a better player at 19 than anyone in this draft and rightfully so is now the best rookie in this class.

Not sure I've seen that criticism in this thread. I'm personally not a fan of "one and done".

I'm not anti-Jennings either: just surprised that we are crowning the guy when the Bucks, who are a lottery team for certain, have 75 games to play.

 

[mdc]

But when his numbers drop, he could go from superstar to offensive black hole pretty quickly.

The thing is, he's a genuine PG. That's why the Iverson comparison doesn't sit great with me; he can actually really pass the ball.

So while I think the "he'll cool off" theory has merit, and I said as much earlier in the thread, he's not just a scorer - despite what his early season A:T ration might suggest.

I'm not anti-Jennings either: just surprised that we are crowning the guy when the Bucks, who are a lottery team for certain...

Hardly. Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Miami and Chicago are locks for the playoffs. After that, it's a crapshoot for the last 2 spots.

They're clearly a better squad than NY, NJ and Charlotte, and they're probably better than Indy and Detroit as well. That doesn't leave too many to leapfrog, especially considering their promising start.

 

[nuggets]

Not sure I've seen that criticism in this thread. I'm personally not a fan of "one and done".

I'm not anti-Jennings either: just surprised that we are crowning the guy when the Bucks, who are a lottery team for certain, have 75 games to play.

Whilst no one has explicitly stated it, the prejudice is definately there - it has become embedded in people minds from all the pre-draft rubbish about it. You must admit, that if Tyreke Evans had opened the season like this, everyone would be all over his balls.

I see the bucks being a lottery team as irrelevant, the ROTY, unlike the MVP does not require the recipient to be on a 50+ win team. recent winners Okafor, Paul, Lebron, Roy, Durant were all on lottery teams. Question to the board, do you think record should be factored in to ROTY voting? Personally, i hated it when my boy Melo lead the nuggets to the playoffs with a far tougher schedule than Lebron and was 2nd by landslide in voting

 

[Messenger]

Whilst no one has explicitly stated it, the prejudice is definately there - it has become embedded in people minds from all the pre-draft rubbish about it. You must admit, that if Tyreke Evans had opened the season like this, everyone would be all over his balls.

I think what you describe as "prejudice" was just an inability to work out how his European experience translated to the NBA and whether he was better served by playing college ball. Obviously there are those who would fear the floodgates opening for talented HS ballers to forgo the NCAA and go professional.

I see the bucks being a lottery team as irrelevant, the ROTY, unlike the MVP does not require the recipient to be on a 50+ win team. recent winners Okafor, Paul, Lebron, Roy, Durant were all on lottery teams. Question to the board, do you think record should be factored in to ROTY voting? Personally, i hated it when my boy Melo lead the nuggets to the playoffs with a far tougher schedule than Lebron and was 2nd by landslide in voting

It's simply relevant in that rookies can have a tougher time of it on a team that's losing, especially if they are a starter already. mdc points out that Milwaukee are 5-2, I'd simply say I don't think the Bucks are that good and I think a bigger test for Jennings will be running the point with the team suffering a slump. Jonny Flynn is already finding out about that now.

 

[Damon_3388]

it will come down to Jennings and Evans from Sacramento, Jennings should romp in the voting

2009/10 Rookie Stats (as of 15/11/2009)

Player Efficiency Rating (PER)

1. Brandon Jennings - 24.5
2. Ty Lawson - 20.3
3. DeJuan Blair - 17.0
4. Darren Collison - 16.9
5. Tyreke Evans - 16.2
6. Toney Douglas - 16.0
7. Eric Maynor - 15.9
8. Chase Budinger - 15.8
9. Omri Casspi -15.3
10. James Harden - 15.2

Offensive Rating (Points produced per 100 possessions)

1. Ty Lawson - 125
2. Brandon Jennings - 114
3. DeJuan Blair - 113
4. Omri Casspi - 109
5. Chase Budinger - 108
6. Eric Maynor - 107
7. Wes Matthews - 106
8. Tyreke Evans - 105
9. Stephen Curry - 104
10. Toney Douglas - 104

Defensive Rating (Points allowed per 100 possessions)

1. James Harden - 97
2. Brandon Jennings - 99
3. Taj Gibson - 99
4. Jeff Teague - 103
5. Terrence Williams - 104
6. Jonas Jerebko - 104
7. Earl Clark - 106
8. David Andersen - 106
9. DeJuan Blair - 107
10. Ty Lawson - 108
    (13. Tyreke Evans - 113)

I went with a minimum criteria of 7 games/84 minutes (12 mpg) played at this point in the season, just to cut out the guys who've only played a few minutes here and there and as such might have inflated efficiency numbers.

Just looking at those numbers, I don't think Evans is as clear cut a #2 as people are making out. Sure, he's scoring a fair bit himself, but he's obviously not playing that efficiently or effectively (particularly defensively) overall compared to some other rookies.

As an aside, I knew that Chase Budinger's athleticism and playing style would transfer well into the NBA (better than college basketball), but I wish my Pistons hadn't traded him away on draft night. I didn't want them to trade him at the time, and now that he's playing effectively and having an impact off the bench for the Rockets, it's even more annoying As a Pittsburgh Panthers supporter too, I also wasn't pleased that the Pistons passed on DeJuan Blair either, but I suppose we weren't the only ones.

 

[mdc]

Defensive/Offensive ratings are questionable with a whole season's worth of data...after 10 games they're completely useless.

It's also worth noting they're entirely dependent on your team-mates. You put Nash on the Celtics and Rondo on the Suns, and Nash will end up with the better defensive rating.

 

[nuggets]

1. I think what you describe as "prejudice" was just an inability to work out how his European experience translated to the NBA and whether he was better served by playing college ball. Obviously there are those who would fear the floodgates opening for talented HS ballers to forgo the NCAA and go professional.



2. It's simply relevant in that rookies can have a tougher time of it on a team that's losing, especially if they are a starter already. mdc points out that Milwaukee are 5-2, I'd simply say I don't think the Bucks are that good and I think a bigger test for Jennings will be running the point with the team suffering a slump. Jonny Flynn is already finding out about that now.

1. exactly what I'm talking about people thinking that he somehow regressed while playing in Europe. Here's a guy who is the best player on an Oak Hill team that wins the national championship in his junior year - and he had some stiff competition for that title with all-american nolan smith(duke) and alex legion (kentucky) and then goes on to be the best player in the country in his senior year. So here's a guy with a huge vert and killer cross over (a game custom built for the NBA), he doesnt qualify for college academically so he goes to Europe. And suddenly one of the best point guard prospects of the decade becomes the 5th point off the board!!! You don't go from superstud to a flopasaurus because you play in the superior level of competition available to 19 year olds.

2. well doesn't my mentioning of those guys who won the rookie of the year on losing teams counteract this?

 

[nuggets]

As an aside, I knew that Chase Budinger's athleticism and playing style would transfer well into the NBA (better than college basketball), but I wish my Pistons hadn't traded him away on draft night. I didn't want them to trade him at the time, and now that he's playing effectively and having an impact off the bench for the Rockets, it's even more annoying As a Pittsburgh Panthers supporter too, I also wasn't pleased that the Pistons passed on DeJuan Blair either, but I suppose we weren't the only ones.

Yeah he has a great complimentary skill set, I think too many teams are going for the potential superstud with their picks which leaves genuine team helping talents slide. The draft sites got down on him because he didn't take over the team after his freshman year, to this I say you can't have a championship team without some decent role players and given that there isn't going to be 30 franchise saving talents in each draft some teams need to stop picking solely on potential and should snap up these sure bet contributers

 

[Rocco_S]

Was a supposedly a weak draft and I know it's only early days, but it seems to be much, much better than we all predicted. So many players are exceeding their expectations by some distance. I agree Jennings looks pretty good for ROY but we're yet to see Griffin so I'll reserve my judgement for at least a month.

 

[Theeighthhamster]

Hard to say how his rookie year will end up but he won't keep hitting the 3 bal like a super Ray Allen. But he can pass for sure. If Ersan, Delfino and Meeks can hit shoot at a resonable rate though and Redd stays on the sideline, he'llhave the room he needs to create enough havok to llead the Bucks to the playoffs.

 

[Theeighthhamster]

zomg

 

[peternorth]

some really good posts in this thread. love the discussion and debate!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Jennings is beasting it but his shot is falling. Lets not get too carried away here. ROY is not handed out mid november. A lot can happen until the end of the season and there is shitloads more games to be played.

Don't forget that Charlie V scored 48pts as a rookie but Chris Paul won ROY with a landslide.

 

[peternorth]

Jennings is beasting it but his shot is falling. Lets not get too carried away here. ROY is not handed out mid november. A lot can happen until the end of the season and there is shitloads more games to be played.

Don't forget that Charlie V scored 48pts as a rookie but Chris Paul won ROY with a landslide.

firmly agree. i encourage all posters to keep their feet on the ground. yes BJ has shown why he can play the game of basketball but ROY isnt awarded quite yet.

* note to self, if another rookie scores 50 in a game create thread dedicated to their ROY cause *

 

[Hawka19]

Jennings really has no one to take the shots away from him. Since Martin has been out with a busted wrist, Evans has been averaging 25 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.7 apg. Expect him continue to average close to 20/6/6 for the forseeable future while getting the job done at both ends of the floor.

Ummmmm, how about a little known freak of a shooter named Michael Redd? Do you honestly think Jennings will be the go-to guy for their offence when Redd steps back on the court this week from injury? He is a shooting machine. A healthy Bucks team can shoot for 45-50 wins this year. A really good mix of offence and defence and being coached by one of the better defensive minded coaches in the NBA. Very early to lock up the award don't you think?

 

[Vegas.]

And watch as Beaubois embarrasses him and his gay haircut today.

Nice line in his last game! Super efficient.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

He is our leading per 48 scorer.

3 times Carlisle has let him score 8-10 points in the first few minutes of a quarter then sat him for half a game.

Frustrating to say the least

 

[mdc]

Anyone got a link for the game? atdhe giving me squat.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Yeah its giving me **** all

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Although watch for the first quarter Kidd to Beaubois down screen alleyoop

 

[peternorth]

Although watch for the first quarter Kidd to Beaubois down screen alleyoop

we may need a beaubois appreciation thread soon

 

[Vegas.]

atdhe stream is now working for me after not working before, so try it again maybe.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Ummmmm, how about a little known freak of a shooter named Michael Redd? Do you honestly think Jennings will be the go-to guy for their offence when Redd steps back on the court this week from injury? He is a shooting machine. A healthy Bucks team can shoot for 45-50 wins this year. A really good mix of offence and defence and being coached by one of the better defensive minded coaches in the NBA. Very early to lock up the award don't you think?

Err I was talking about so far einstein!

Last time I checked Michael Redd is yet to play this year, hence why Jennings has no one taking the shots away from him. Once Redd comes back, Jennings will get less shots and eventually his jumper is not going to be falling at the percentage it is now.

And thet you ahave quoted is actually referring to Evans averaging 20/6/6 while Martin is out.

 

[matty p]

Jennings is beasting it but his shot is falling. Lets not get too carried away here. ROY is not handed out mid november. A lot can happen until the end of the season and there is shitloads more games to be played.

Don't forget that Charlie V scored 48pts as a rookie but Chris Paul won ROY with a landslide.

I know his shots are falling but you have to be pretty special to drop 55 points in your 7th game as a pro. People don't just score 55 just because their shot is falling.

I know its hard for you to admit, but the Kings made a mistake drafting Evans over Jennings (and I still contend Rubio too). Maybe you should take a critical look at Evans' play instead of lauding him for his 18ppg at 40% and criticising Jennings for his 25-5-5 averages at 48% on a 5-3 team.