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B4Bear said:
Yeah, that's right. Blame the victim.

Lake did a thuggish and down right stupid thing, and it is all Petrie's fault?
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Some of the stuff being trotted out in this thread isn't far removed from "yeah, she said she didn't want to have sex, but once I started she didn't try very hard to fight me off, so she must not have really minded". Ridiculous victim blaming
 
DAWESOME!! said:
Why do you assume I haven't looked at the outcome? Dangerous act that was against the principles of fair play resulting in an appropriate ban. The appearance of the act is very much a secondary issue compared to the harm that could have been done.

Why do assume I'm going by the media outcry?

If the head is sacrosanct because hitting it can cause serious injury, the throat has to be at least as protected.

Weighting penalties by the actual damage resulting, as opposed to the potential damage you could reasonably expect might occur is stupid anyway. Punish the action, not the consequence.
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Thats just it attemting to strike throwing a punch etc if it doesn't cause an injury or is of sufficient force you don't get suspended it doesn't look good either doing those things
 
DAWESOME!! said:
Why do you assume I haven't looked at the outcome? Dangerous act that was against the principles of fair play resulting in an appropriate ban. The appearance of the act is very much a secondary issue compared to the harm that could have been done.

Why do assume I'm going by the media outcry?

If the head is sacrosanct because hitting it can cause serious injury, the throat has to be at least as protected.

Weighting penalties by the actual damage resulting, as opposed to the potential damage you could reasonably expect might occur is stupid anyway. Punish the action, not the consequence.
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Stupid stupid thing to say and the tribunal doesn't work with what could have happened but what actually happened.
 

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Hawkforce said:
What are you talking about? Your so-called "fans" on this site are jumping for joy about this result.

You'll note I didn't question the NFC's response. I'm questioning the "fans" here.

So much for being "separate from reality"...:rolleyes:
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Here the post I replied to. Memory check overdue?
 
DAWESOME!! said:
Some of the stuff being trotted out in this thread isn't far removed from "yeah, she said she didn't want to have sex, but once I started she didn't try very hard to fight me off, so she must not have really minded". Ridiculous victim blaming
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He eye-gouged another player. Drawing blood.

And it's not the first time he's done it.

Jesus Christ - two wrongs don't make a right. Lake was reckless and has copped more than his fair whack for it. But since when do we condone eye-gouging in a wrestling contest?

Has football completely changed in 20 years? People who did what Petrie has done on repeated occasions were reviled back in the day. It was considered dangerous and gutless. When did this change?
 
Gibson will be back for the Sydney game which will be timely. These next two games without Lake will decide our season.
 
Hawkforce said:
A simple apology would do, Rino. Or just being quiet for a while might behoove you.
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Sorry you're thick?

Expected outcomes at any rate. Petrie reprimand is sensible and Lake a victim of a very poor looking grapple. If he'd kept his hands clear of the throat there would never have been any report. AFL has clearly sent a message here.
 
cryptor said:
So basically the "trial" was just a formality for a decision that had already been made.

I don't have a problem with Lake copping 4 weeks. Just the process that led to it stinks.
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Maybe the outcome could have been foreseen because Lake's case was incredibly weak. Don't accept for a moment the verdict was in some way predetermined though.
 
[QUTE="skilts, post: 33956346, member: 3244"]BigFooty has long been in need of an expert on this aspect of human perversity. You should join the lecture circuit.QUOTE

No need for the personal abuse Chimp.
 

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The best question has to be..."who on earth is advising Lake to plead NOT GUILTY". I mean come on, Lake was always going to be found guilty. Just cop it, you probably would get 1/4 or a half at most of the 4 weeks!
 
bombersno1 said:
The best question has to be..."who on earth is advising Lake to plead NOT GUILTY". I mean come on, Lake was always going to be found guilty. Just cop it, you probably would get 1/4 or a half at most of the 4 weeks!
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Yep good question, it was a foolhardy defence-the family club throwing him to the lions?;)
 
[QUOT="TheFourPillars, post: 33955832, member: 79349"]we did that in the 80s as well and got over it by winning flags how about you guys you over loosing to the cellar dwellers of the comp yet[/QUOTE]

Can we have that in English please? Thanks.
 
romeoh said:
Yep good question, it was a foolhardy defence-the family club throwing him under the bus?;)
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Especially after Petrie was found basically not guilty. I mean come on what sensible counsel actually thinks he stands a chance in those circumstances? As my brother said, was absolutely insane to not plead guilty!
 
bombersno1 said:
Especially after Petrie was found basically not guilty. I mean come on what sensible counsel actually thinks he stands a chance in those circumstances? As my brother said, was absolutely insane to not plead guilty!
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Yep had to plead guilty, acknowledge the choke hold throw himself on mercy of the tribunal. To plead not guilty, and say I had the jumper-well. Good luck with that. Just poking the bear.
 
romeoh said:
Yep had to plead guilty, acknowledge the choke hold throw himself on mercy of the tribunal. To plead not guilty, and say I had the jumper-well. Good luck with that. Just poking the bear.
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I bet if he did they would have given him 2 weeks at the very most, probably 1 week with the carryovers making it 2.
 
bombersno1 said:
The best question has to be..."who on earth is advising Lake to plead NOT GUILTY". I mean come on, Lake was always going to be found guilty. Just cop it, you probably would get 1/4 or a half at most of the 4 weeks!
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I thought he pled not guilty to the choking but guilty to the wrestling and that's why he went with the jumper hold defence - was never really going to be able to justify why he continued with it for so long
Still think 4 weeks is ridiculous but the clubs going to just have to suck it up and get the job done without him - god help Cheney and shoey on buddy
 
bombersno1 said:
I bet if he did they would have given him 2 weeks at the very most, probably 1 week with the carryovers making it 2.
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Well we can't know but thought the failure to take responsibility would not have sat well with Tribunal.
 
Hawkforce said:
He eye-gouged another player. Drawing blood.

And it's not the first time he's done it.

Jesus Christ - two wrongs don't make a right. Lake was reckless and has copped more than his fair whack for it. But since when do we condone eye-gouging in a wrestling contest?

Has football completely changed in 20 years? People who did what Petrie has done on repeated occasions were reviled back in the day. It was considered dangerous and gutless. When did this change?
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It is now twice, in 259 games over 14 seasons, that Drew has made contact with an opponent's face while they put pressure on his throat. Both times the incident was examined by the tribunal and no punishment given. It's hardly a pattern of behaviour or a free for all.

Lake initiated the contact and the "wrestle" when he slung Drew to the ground. And he kept going on with it far too long.

I'm delighted Drew doesn't carry the points. I don't care what happened with Lake. But there is some fearful rubbish being talked in this thread about Drew, and frankly it's astonished me. I had no idea any Hawthorn supporters would be so invested in Lake that they would carry on like this, before and after the tribunal decision.
 
CouchPotato said:
I thought he pled not guilty to the choking but guilty to the wrestling and that's why he went with the jumper hold defence - was never really going to be able to justify why he continued with it for so long
Still think 4 weeks is ridiculous but the clubs going to just have to suck it up and get the job done without him - god help Cheney and shoey on buddy
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That is the point, why not plead guilty for both, tribunals hate players wasting their time and no wonder they only took 3 minutes, it was a ridiculous defence.
 
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