Brian Lake

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Me too as long as his body is right.

Was really good for us last year but has struggled to get going with injuries and now this suspension this year.
I'd be surprised if he goes around next year. 33 and injured? You got a great return-well worth it. Good luck to you and him.
 

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wasnt it 3 weeks. but then +10% loading for bad record + carry over points from previos incident sooo it went went up to 4 weeks?
As far as I'm aware the jury were free to set it at as many points as they like and would be able to know what it would end up at following carry over points and loadings. Not fussed with the difference between 3-4 weeks as we only play Melbourne and Bulldogs in weeks 3 and 4 who don't have any overly dangerous key forwards for Lake to play on anyway. I'm more fussed about the processes.
 
He eye-gouged another player. Drawing blood.

And it's not the first time he's done it.

Jesus Christ - two wrongs don't make a right. Lake was reckless and has copped more than his fair whack for it. But since when do we condone eye-gouging in a wrestling contest?

Has football completely changed in 20 years? People who did what Petrie has done on repeated occasions were reviled back in the day. It was considered dangerous and gutless. When did this change?

I'm not talking about whether Petrie should have gone for eye-gouging. I'm talking about the "oh, Petrie wasn't struggling the way you would if someone was choking you", "he looked like he was playing dead" stuff.
 
Stupid stupid thing to say and the tribunal doesn't work with what could have happened but what actually happened.

In that sentence, I'm talking about how I think it should work. And it's the root cause of a lot of what irritates people, when two players do an identical action and one gets off lightly because luckily no damage was done, whereas another gets outed for a lengthy period because unluckily there was. The actions were identical - the intent/recklessness/negligence is what was wrong, not the result. So, I disagree it was a stupid thing to say. But you're possibly a bit too annoyed about this specific instance to want to talk about the general point at the moment.
 
4 weeks (which I think is far too short for what he did), brings him back for the Freo/Hawks match in Perth. That will be good. The West Aussies are good at booing, and Lake will've earned it.
 

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4 weeks (which I think is far too short for what he did), brings him back for the Freo/Hawks match in Perth. That will be good. The West Aussies are good at booing, and Lake will've earned it.

We don't need Lake for the Dockers game.
 
I honestly can't remember what I said about Petrie?

Oh you're probably talking about my string of sarcastic posts about him being a liar, etc.

Honestly, I don't like seeing people suspended for not hurting someone. Lake got a scratch. He's fine. No suspension required.

We heard you the first 100 times
 
The more that one looks at it, the more one is surprised at how ineptly Lake's case was handled by Hawthorn.

Firstly everyone was assuming the monetary penalties given to Hall and Southern would continue when it was clear that most cases that went directly to the tribunal got relatively large penalties.

Secondly the press reported prior to the hearing that Hawthorn (and this was aided by various media pundits of the Hawthorn persuasion) were going to blame the victim and attempt to minimise the actions of Lake.

Thirdly , and most importantly, they pleaded not guilty when the vision itself was so damning of the choking ( regardless of what Petrie did or did not do) and then tried to blame the victim.

Fourthly, they should have been aware from the blaze of attention given to the case, that the AFL were attaching some importance to setting a benchmark.

Fifthly they knew Lake had carryover points and a loading so any penalty would have been exacerbated by the this.

Yet they chose to roll the dice.

They could have pleaded guilty, and then prepared for that verdict, including a reference to the circumstances of the case.

As it was they got 4 with the loading, they may have been able to have had it reduced to 3 or 2 with extensive carry over points, if they'd come in seeking the mercy of the tribunal.

Extraordinarily bad work by Hawthorn.
 
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