Preview Brisbane Lions v Carlton Blues PF, 5.15pm Saturday 23rd Sep 2023

[3KZ is Football]

I think it's pretty clear what I've been saying about Jack has been parody. Elixuh on the other hand has 3KZ levels of obsession.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Roy & HG isn't real?

My childhood is ruined

All those festivals of the boot and fridges in freezers and battered savs and card tables... All a myth

Sorry, although I can heartily recommend this. A great read and very very clever.



He writes from the perspective of ‘Roy Slaven’ but includes himself as a character, allowing Slaven to tell Doyle’s story. Very clever.

 

[Nunez]

Legit though friend. I do get the need to bring some levity by the way of parody on Big Footy, but get how using the parody Schick for a whole year can rub people the wrong way. At some point, the parody and genuine opinions become intertwined and do come off poorly at times.

It's your right to do so and have no issue with you posting the way you want to post, but don't think it's right to complain at people giving your posts a thumbs down because they disagree when it is honestly hard to know when you're being serious.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Legit though friend. I do get the need to bring some levity by the way of parody on Big Footy, but get how using the parody Schick for a whole year can rub people the wrong way. At some point, the parody and genuine opinions become intertwined and do come off poorly at times.

It's your right to do so and have no issue with you posting the way you want to post, but don't think it's right to complain at people giving your posts a thumbs down because they disagree when it is honestly hard to know when you're being serious.

I think the difference isn’t too hard to discern. Bit like your posting.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Sorry Nunez - couldn’t resist.

 

[martinson]

Richmond won 2 flags via thuggery , one knocking out John Nicholls in the first 5 minutes and another by Balme K/Oing Carlton's best player in Southby.

Malthouse who'd been schooled by theses events tried it with JB in 2003 but Jono got up and kept going though he would've been subbed straight away today.

The games changed but you'd have to be born under a rock not to know that the Blues have 3 or 4 there whom we need to test physically at every opportunity. It's a Prelim and the first target is the opposition's weak link.

It's not a good strategy to focus totally on that but finals are won by the team that imposes itself physically from the get go.

I was speaking to a couple of guys who are in the Blues inner sanctum today , well at least they think they are, and they give themselves a big chance this week , they've won 11 out if their last 12 , in form at the right time , we're suspect under pressure etc etc.

I think they're deluded and we'll smash 'em as long as we stick to our gameplan, keep our heads when the heat is on , and play team first footy.

They'll get tired soon enough.

 

[Dalions]

Someone tipped Robbo off as to who Carlton were playing this week.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/robbo-lions-must-take-leaf-from-unsociable-hawks-book/news-story/426df5c672e226e24717a16c32ba4fda

After too many soft finals exits, the Lions have to adopt a moniker from Chris Fagan’s old team Hawthorn.

That’s to become the unsociable Lions.

The Lions have answered and/or eradicated several questions this season, which included adding more speed to the back half, and adding Josh Dunkley’s grunt to the midfield, and overall maturing as a team.

But will they be as ruthless as they should be, this weekend and next?

The last time they were in a preliminary final, 2022, they were bounced by Geelong by 12 goals.

In 2020, it was again Geelong in a preliminary final, that time by seven goals.

Call it a hoodoo, or unlucky, or mentally not ready, but preliminary finals have found them wanting.

Carlton is tough, but sore. Patrick Cripps has a rib injury, while Blake Acres and Sam Docherty might be one bump away from another dislocation. It’s a centre-line held together by duct tape.

Former lieutenant of the Hawks unsociable brand, Jordan Lewis, says the Lions have to target the injured trio. Former Hawks skipper Luke Hodge said much the same on SEN Radio on Wednesday morning.


Fagan knows their mindset. He was head of footy at the Hawks when Hodge, Lewis and Co tormented the opposition.

Is it foot to the throat from Fagan’s players and bash down Cripps, Docherty and Acres at every opportunity, or has footy changed to the point where it’s wiser to worry about suspensions than it is the winged opposition?

Former St Kilda coach Grant Thomas said it would be foolish for the Lions to single out individuals

“When you’re focusing over-aggressively … and it’s an interesting point that most teams these days are focusing on smiling, happiness, and having totally different body language when entering the game, because it’s been shown to relax them more,’’ Thomas said.

“Rather than that aggressive, let’s bowl-these-bastards over sort of thing that doesn’t work these days. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.

“Make the unbridled pressure from the whole team ask the question of Cripps, and ask the question to Acres and the other injuries. Make it 100 per cent from the team, not the attack on the individual.’’

The combative Lewis thought otherwise.

“The Lions have to play right at their limit, from a physical point of view, and sometimes people overstep it and that’s unfortunate,’’ he said, citing Melbourne’s Kozzy Pickett’s over-the-top ill-discipline against the Blues.

“But you’re playing for keeps now, you’re not playing for four points, you’re paying to go into a grand final.

“Those Carlton blokes have got to be tested.

“As a player, there is information that you know and can exploit and there’s information you don’t know. You would be derelict in your duty not to expose legally the information you know.’’

Players can’t be clobbered like yesteryear, but the emphasis on strong tackling, gang tackling, and pressure must be high-end, Lewis said,

“When they’re running past you, you bump them, by any means that you can think of,’’ Lewis said.

“Let’s be honest Cripps will be in the middle of the ground, so there might be an opportunity in the first 30 seconds to tackle him, make sure it’s two or three going after him.’’

He conceded behaviours had changed since the Hawks three-peat era, but back then coach Alastair Clarkson would “take a risk winding us up’’.

“He knew we would be competitive anyway, but he knew when we were really wound up there was a risk that we could overstep the mark, and give away a 50m penalty or give away a free kick or get suspended,” he said.

“He knew that was a risk, but the reward was you get a reputation as a team being hard to play against, and the reward is the intimidation and the reward is being successful.

“So, what are you prepared to do?

“I always used to say, what do you want to feel like after the game?

“Try to take yourself to after the game and think, if I had had a chance to be physical, or I should’ve done this or that and you did nothing … you’ve got a chance right now to change that thought, or a chance to change the course of a game.

“Don’t be sitting there after the game, saying, ‘bloody hell, I had to be more physical’, Cripps had an unbelievable game and we should’ve herded him to the ground, don’t be sitting there saying, ‘I should’ve done this’.”

The Lions have impressed Thomas this season, yet he has lingering doubt about some players being fragile, and just how the Lions will combat Carlton and the pressure if the game plays out to the death.

“There’s a couple of individual players who might fit under the category of being questioned about their fragility and to be mentally and physically tough,’’ Thomas said.

“But generally, the Lions have shown to be pretty tough and resilient, albeit they haven’t had the record down in Melbourne as they would like. But up there, they have been fantastic.

“Their DNA is more focused on skill, ball movement, connection, but they don’t shirk the issue.

“They just should win and if they don’t, a pretty significant question mark comes against them.”

He argued the Lions were probably a five-goal better side than Carlton, but also argued that the longer the Blues could stay with the Lions, the more pressure would heaped on the home side.

“If Carlton can stay close enough for long enough, it’s going to bring into play Brisbane’s mental and physical fragility,” he said.

“There’s one thing for certain, pressure makes weakies out of all us.’’

Need to go hard and physical at the ball not the man.

 

[Nunez]

Need to go hard and physical at the ball not the man.

Absolutely. If we play hard, fair football we will break them down and will get a run on at some point. As we saw against Port, we basically ended the game in a two minute burst.

 

[Happy_Neale]

David King waxing lyrical about the Lions' offensive work on 360.

That’s worse than no coverage

 

[martinson]

It's interesting getting the perspective from other club's supporters.

The Blues people seem to thing Curnow is another Lockett whereas Joe is 'hot and cold' , inconsistent and doesn't stand up in big games.

I said the guy is in our best players nearly every week , probably goes close to winning the B/F , just about the most consistent player on our list.

They wouldn't have a bar of it. Just goes to show once a reputation is out there it's impossible to shake and on the rare occasions you have a bad day it's fuel on the fire.

Curnow hardly got a kick last week but had they lost no one would've been blaming him.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Richmond won 2 flags via thuggery , one knocking out John Nicholls in the first 5 minutes and another by Balme K/Oing Carlton's best player in Southby.

Malthouse who'd been schooled by theses events tried it with JB in 2003 but Jono got up and kept going though he would've been subbed straight away today.

The games changed but you'd have to be born under a rock not to know that the Blues have 3 or 4 there whom we need to test physically at every opportunity. It's a Prelim and the first target is the opposition's weak link.

It's not a good strategy to focus totally on that but finals are won by the team that imposes itself physically from the get go.

I was speaking to a couple of guys who are in the Blues inner sanctum today , well at least they think they are, and they give themselves a big chance this week , they've won 11 out if their last 12 , in form at the right time , we're suspect under pressure etc etc.

I think they're deluded and we'll smash 'em as long as we stick to our gameplan, keep our heads when the heat is on , and play team first footy.

They'll get tired soon enough.

Great post - 100% agree, but if Carlton open with the faux tough guy stuff, we can’t get sucked in. Remember the 2019 Semi loss to GWS when they came out ultra physical and they rattled us early.

This bears repeating from your post …

I think they're deluded and we'll smash 'em as long as we stick to our gameplan, keep our heads when the heat is on , and play team first footy.

 

[jjami15]

Someone tipped Robbo off as to who Carlton were playing this week.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/robbo-lions-must-take-leaf-from-unsociable-hawks-book/news-story/426df5c672e226e24717a16c32ba4fda

After too many soft finals exits, the Lions have to adopt a moniker from Chris Fagan’s old team Hawthorn.

That’s to become the unsociable Lions.

The Lions have answered and/or eradicated several questions this season, which included adding more speed to the back half, and adding Josh Dunkley’s grunt to the midfield, and overall maturing as a team.

But will they be as ruthless as they should be, this weekend and next?

The last time they were in a preliminary final, 2022, they were bounced by Geelong by 12 goals.

In 2020, it was again Geelong in a preliminary final, that time by seven goals.

Call it a hoodoo, or unlucky, or mentally not ready, but preliminary finals have found them wanting.

Carlton is tough, but sore. Patrick Cripps has a rib injury, while Blake Acres and Sam Docherty might be one bump away from another dislocation. It’s a centre-line held together by duct tape.

Former lieutenant of the Hawks unsociable brand, Jordan Lewis, says the Lions have to target the injured trio. Former Hawks skipper Luke Hodge said much the same on SEN Radio on Wednesday morning.


Fagan knows their mindset. He was head of footy at the Hawks when Hodge, Lewis and Co tormented the opposition.

Is it foot to the throat from Fagan’s players and bash down Cripps, Docherty and Acres at every opportunity, or has footy changed to the point where it’s wiser to worry about suspensions than it is the winged opposition?

Former St Kilda coach Grant Thomas said it would be foolish for the Lions to single out individuals

“When you’re focusing over-aggressively … and it’s an interesting point that most teams these days are focusing on smiling, happiness, and having totally different body language when entering the game, because it’s been shown to relax them more,’’ Thomas said.

“Rather than that aggressive, let’s bowl-these-bastards over sort of thing that doesn’t work these days. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.

“Make the unbridled pressure from the whole team ask the question of Cripps, and ask the question to Acres and the other injuries. Make it 100 per cent from the team, not the attack on the individual.’’

The combative Lewis thought otherwise.

“The Lions have to play right at their limit, from a physical point of view, and sometimes people overstep it and that’s unfortunate,’’ he said, citing Melbourne’s Kozzy Pickett’s over-the-top ill-discipline against the Blues.

“But you’re playing for keeps now, you’re not playing for four points, you’re paying to go into a grand final.

“Those Carlton blokes have got to be tested.

“As a player, there is information that you know and can exploit and there’s information you don’t know. You would be derelict in your duty not to expose legally the information you know.’’

Players can’t be clobbered like yesteryear, but the emphasis on strong tackling, gang tackling, and pressure must be high-end, Lewis said,

“When they’re running past you, you bump them, by any means that you can think of,’’ Lewis said.

“Let’s be honest Cripps will be in the middle of the ground, so there might be an opportunity in the first 30 seconds to tackle him, make sure it’s two or three going after him.’’

He conceded behaviours had changed since the Hawks three-peat era, but back then coach Alastair Clarkson would “take a risk winding us up’’.

“He knew we would be competitive anyway, but he knew when we were really wound up there was a risk that we could overstep the mark, and give away a 50m penalty or give away a free kick or get suspended,” he said.

“He knew that was a risk, but the reward was you get a reputation as a team being hard to play against, and the reward is the intimidation and the reward is being successful.

“So, what are you prepared to do?

“I always used to say, what do you want to feel like after the game?

“Try to take yourself to after the game and think, if I had had a chance to be physical, or I should’ve done this or that and you did nothing … you’ve got a chance right now to change that thought, or a chance to change the course of a game.

“Don’t be sitting there after the game, saying, ‘bloody hell, I had to be more physical’, Cripps had an unbelievable game and we should’ve herded him to the ground, don’t be sitting there saying, ‘I should’ve done this’.”

The Lions have impressed Thomas this season, yet he has lingering doubt about some players being fragile, and just how the Lions will combat Carlton and the pressure if the game plays out to the death.

“There’s a couple of individual players who might fit under the category of being questioned about their fragility and to be mentally and physically tough,’’ Thomas said.

“But generally, the Lions have shown to be pretty tough and resilient, albeit they haven’t had the record down in Melbourne as they would like. But up there, they have been fantastic.

“Their DNA is more focused on skill, ball movement, connection, but they don’t shirk the issue.

“They just should win and if they don’t, a pretty significant question mark comes against them.”

He argued the Lions were probably a five-goal better side than Carlton, but also argued that the longer the Blues could stay with the Lions, the more pressure would heaped on the home side.

“If Carlton can stay close enough for long enough, it’s going to bring into play Brisbane’s mental and physical fragility,” he said.

“There’s one thing for certain, pressure makes weakies out of all us.’’

 

[BRAB]

I guess both our clubs should just pack it up this week and forfeit, according to the footy media we are coming up against the unstoppable forces of GWS and Carlton! In seriousness though, all the best this week, don't have too much fun beating up on the Blues alright

I kind of hope GWS beat you by 150 points. Sorry

 

[3KZ is Football]

It's interesting getting the perspective from other club's supporters.

The Blues people seem to thing Curnow is another Lockett whereas Joe is 'hot and cold' , inconsistent and doesn't stand up in big games.

I said the guy is in our best players nearly every week , probably goes close to winning the B/F , just about the most consistent player on our list.

They wouldn't have a bar of it. Just goes to show once a reputation is out there it's impossible to shake and on the rare occasions you have a bad day it's fuel on the fire.

Curnow hardly got a kick last week but had they lost no one would've been blaming him.

They are going to be lost for words after the game. Daniher kicks 5 or so, Curnow kept very quiet.

 

[rye]

it is time for us to terrorise blake acres

13

Blake Acres

Age

29

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

 

[undefined]

For those in AFL states - Zorko on Footy Classified right now.

 

[martinson]

I kind of hope GWS beat you by 150 points. Sorry

Funny.

I sort of don't because I know we can roll the Pies whereas the current GWS outfit is a bit of an unknown entity.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Richmond won 2 flags via thuggery , one knocking out John Nicholls in the first 5 minutes and another by Balme K/Oing Carlton's best player in Southby.

That was the same game.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Richmond won 2 flags via thuggery , one knocking out John Nicholls in the first 5 minutes and another by Balme K/Oing Carlton's best player in Southby.

Malthouse who'd been schooled by theses events tried it with JB in 2003 but Jono got up and kept going though he would've been subbed straight away today.

The games changed but you'd have to be born under a rock not to know that the Blues have 3 or 4 there whom we need to test physically at every opportunity. It's a Prelim and the first target is the opposition's weak link.

It's not a good strategy to focus totally on that but finals are won by the team that imposes itself physically from the get go.

I was speaking to a couple of guys who are in the Blues inner sanctum today , well at least they think they are, and they give themselves a big chance this week , they've won 11 out if their last 12 , in form at the right time , we're suspect under pressure etc etc.

I think they're deluded and we'll smash 'em as long as we stick to our gameplan, keep our heads when the heat is on , and play team first footy.

They'll get tired soon enough.

I'm quite happy to let them talk up the Blues. Hopefully all the gas lighting, it gets into the players heads. I hope our players are listening so they don't go in thinking they'll beat up on some sore Blue boys and romp home.

Keep the Blue hype flowing unhinged.

 

[martinson]

That was the same game.

It was too Mr. Ripper.

They wanted to make sure of it.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

For those in AFL states - Zorko on Footy Classified right now.

 

[Tom14]

Absolutely. If we play hard, fair football we will break them down and will get a run on at some point. As we saw against Port, we basically ended the game in a two minute burst.

I thought this was pretty interesting from Selwood about physicality, although depressing thinking about last years prelim:

 

[martinson]

I thought this was pretty interesting from Selwood about physicality, although depressing thinking about last years prelim:

Selwood has the same mindset as Vossy. What Vossy has always said privately is that in big games the most important thing you need to do is to gain the physical ascendency. To make the opposition know you're going to be all over them for 4 quarters.

So big finals are no place for weakies. My personal view is that anyone who takes the field in an AFL game is brave. But some of them are just nuts and crazy brave.

 

[Viceregal]

This bloody week is dragging worse than last week, 3 sleeps and then a long Saturday to go.

Not planning to watch Pies v Giants on Friday evening? Should fill in a few of your empty hours...

 

[3KZ is Football]

I'm quite happy to let them talk up the Blues. Hopefully all the gas lighting, it gets into the players heads. I hope our players are listening so they don't go in thinking they'll beat up on some sore Blue boys and romp home.

Keep the Blue hype flowing unhinged.

Remember the Collingwood HYPE in the media in 2002 and particularly in 2003? We haven’t hit PEAK BS from the Victorian media yet. We have that to look forward to.