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Stick to rugby
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Go watch your side. Always.
If you're a Brisbane Lions supporter stick with them until they are no more.
No one should feel attached or guilted (not a word but you know what I mean) into supporting anymore than their team.
If there was no more Hawthorn Hawks then I'm done. Love the sport but that's it, I'm at local footy.
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Oooo this is a good point. Brisbane won three flags starting less than half a decade after the Brisbane Lions actually began to exist – and you think about their concession and help, it is comparable to what the Suns and GWS have now. The Lions once benefited with the exact same things as other clubs do now. They became an awesome team because of it. Now it's worn off because the aid doesn't last forever.
Who knows, maybe it could happen to Gold Coast and GWS. That quick success then the mire.
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You do realise there are football clubs outside Victoria? Just because we won 3 premierships over a decade ago doesn't mean we don't deserve the help we require.
The Bulldogs have only had a couple of bad seasons. They'll rebuild through the draft. I can't comment on how the club is being run but if there are issues there they might need some help from the AFL. But it can't be half as bad as Brisbane.
I'm from Melbourne and I'll stick to Aussie Rules thanks.
Was there too much logic to wrap your head around?
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I really hope you don't believe what you're spouting into this thread, as it's not good for the AFL competition. If you can't see how a successful Brisbane, Sydney, Fremantle, Adelaide or another other team is good for the competition then you have absolutely no idea
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That's the problem.
The AFL talks about equalisation and tries to implement it on one hand but on the other hand it is doing the opposite.
We get a FIXture that obviously favours teams over others but we get a higher salary cap on the other hand for other teams (as one example)
Interesting that the Bulldogs seem to be drafting almost purely from Victoria in recent years, probably to negate homesickness and trying to settle interstate players in Victoria. Shame Brisbane don't get the same luxury to draft Queensland players with the same level of talent. We also lost our opportunity to draft players like Dixon, Thompson and Smith because of GC.
I saw Melbourne win a grand total of TWO games against non-expansion sides in two whole seasons (coming off the back of 5 miserable years). That apparently did not warrant a PP.
Brisbane were one win off the finals last year. And people are calling for a priority pick? Get stuffed.
AFL should help them out financially to get some competent administrators and coaches, and from then on, sort your own shit out.
Brisbane were one win off the finals last year. And people are calling for a priority pick? Get stuffed.
AFL should help them out financially to get some competent administrators and coaches, and from then on, sort your own shit out.
What? The bulldogs have won 1 flag. Ever, played in 1 grand final. Their supporters were born, not bought by gift wrapped premiership cups.
What I believe is that if a club cannot sustain membership without assisted cups, they should not be in the competition. Yeah you heard me right, let them fold.
No there is no logic to AFL teams in Qld. Or Sydney. They can't get a fan base without a booster cup on a platter. Where is your fan base now?
Although I have to say the suns are doing well their fans are unreal and were the first year we went to qld to watch the game.
And I meant the state should stick to rugby
The people of Brisbane just need to acquire some matter between their ears and realise that rugby league is ****ing shit 
That's your opinion, your entitled to it, and I'm entitled to mine. But don't put words in my mouth. Take out Freo and Adelaide, they have achieved their own success, no cola or extra cap needed. I don't think giving a team an advantage so they can "win" fans is fair to the other teams in the competition. Not just Collingwood. West coast would have another cup, 2006, if Hall had been rubbed out as he should have been.
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1. The real concern is about the future, not the VFL.
2. Of course they were born. The Lions were not gifted their premierships anymore than Collingwood got their only AFL premiership from dodgy, third party deals.
3. The intention is that with help now they will at some point be self sustainable without winning premierships. That is what this thread is about and if you are not smart enough to understand that then I pity you and understand why you support Collingwood.
4. If the poor clubs fold, the AFL become less dominate as a sporting code. That is why there has been so much talk about equalisation, because the AFL is trying to grow and become stronger.
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wtf are you talking about? How were Collingwood's 1990 or 2010 flags (it's two by the way, not one) gifted to us?
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
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Q. Why did 5 promising young players leave Brisbane last year
A. Because the club was piling up in debt and pity, internal fighting, firing the coach, not progressing up the ladder, had a culture of players leaving over the last 5 or more years including Bradshaw, Rischitelli, Clark, Henderson and Brennan of which plenty were forced out due to the Fev deal.
Sure it was much easier for them to leave due to the gome home factor but it can't be used as an excuse at all. Once Brisbane supporters embrace the idea that it's up to them as a club to not let guys leave they'll see less and less leave and wont have to worry about it.
A. Because the club was piling up in debt and pity, internal fighting, firing the coach, not progressing up the ladder, had a culture of players leaving over the last 5 or more years including Bradshaw, Rischitelli, Clark, Henderson and Brennan of which plenty were forced out due to the Fev deal.
Sure it was much easier for them to leave due to the gome home factor but it can't be used as an excuse at all. Once Brisbane supporters embrace the idea that it's up to them as a club to not let guys leave they'll see less and less leave and wont have to worry about it.
The AFL need to step in and do what they did with Melbourne. Clean out the board, instill some competent administrators and give them some financial help (more than Melbourne got) to ensure they can have a decently resourced footy department to allow them to recruit and develop players.
The team without injuries aren't too bad. The young kids drafted in the last year look really good.
Fix the off field and the on field will lift and be fine and players wont leave.
Queensland need more draftees and the academy system will hopefully help. I like the academy system I just think it can be a bit too rewarding (like it might be with Sydney this year) but otherwise the more Queensland kids we get drafted the better.
The team without injuries aren't too bad. The young kids drafted in the last year look really good.
Fix the off field and the on field will lift and be fine and players wont leave.
Queensland need more draftees and the academy system will hopefully help. I like the academy system I just think it can be a bit too rewarding (like it might be with Sydney this year) but otherwise the more Queensland kids we get drafted the better.
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I didn't put words in your mouth - please show me where I did
What you're talking about, your end game, is Collingwood vs anyone in Victoria.
I think you're not looking at the whole picture of the AFL. Like it or not but the clubs in states that aren't Victoria are more important than the clubs in Victoria (yes, this means more important than Collingwood as well).
If the AFL had the choice of losing Collingwood or Brisbane or Sydney or Fremantle or Adelaide then I think you'll be without a club to follow. That's not to say that Collingwood isn't an important club (or course it is) but the markets in states other than Victoria are more important than 1 club in Victoria.
Clubs in all states deserve certain benefits.
I believe all clubs in a state should have first dibs on players from their states.
I believe there should be a salary cap (no minimum spend)
I believe no club should be able to spend more on players than any other club
Clubs should be able to receive AFL assistance in off field spend (admin and coaching)
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Be careful what you wish for. No club is forever - you just think yours is. Wish away the Lions and the sword will hang over the next weakest. And then the next, and the next. Or the big clubs will decide they can make more money starting their own competition and only the select few will be invited. Everyone else will be left to whither and die and there will be a 'blockbuster' every game. And then the strongest of the big clubs will want even more and everything else will just be local footy.
For the small clubs, there is strength in numbers. If all of the small clubs are smart, they will fight tooth and nail for the survival of every one of them. Brisbane doesn't need help on the field - it will take time, probably a long time because of the compromised drafts, but we will improve. Off the field - we need help. And we are not alone in that, we are just the most in need.
For the small clubs, there is strength in numbers. If all of the small clubs are smart, they will fight tooth and nail for the survival of every one of them. Brisbane doesn't need help on the field - it will take time, probably a long time because of the compromised drafts, but we will improve. Off the field - we need help. And we are not alone in that, we are just the most in need.
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No one isn't saying we haven't brought some of this shit upon ourselves.
90% of our list is from interstate. It's not a typical Victorian club list - it is harder to retain players for us and all we ask for is something that makes levels out that inequality. No extra picks or anything else for addressing the on-field problem.
Highlighted bit - What the actual ****. Seriously? How will supporters embracing something that we already believe in (no-one is denying that our **** ups haven't contributed to the go-home 5) help with player retention? A 5k-10k extra supporters per game in all honesty isn't going to be that big of a factor for them. If supporters could influence the club to the extent you think our board would be very different I can assure you...
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3 flags in the 2000's as a direct result of assistance from the league while we have clubs starved of success for a century and counting? It's a good thing Freo, WCE and the Crows can square their shit away otherwise you'd think the expansion from the VFL was a waste of time that's just draining resources from the heartland of the sport.
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I thought Voss was doing alright they seemed to turn the corner last year and where playing some good footy.They seem to gone backwards now pity for there surporters.
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