Traded Brodie Grundy [Traded to Melbourne for #27]

[WalshistheGOAT]

Well that's actually incorrect. The whole reason they were getting rid of them was because they couldn't fit them both into their salary cap.



Also incorrect - our salary cap is fine, and we can afford to keep him if we needed to. He will get to Melbourne though, because we'd rather use his salary elsewhere in the team, and we can afford to make these moves. Are they the right moves though? Only time will tell.

No need to create this completely imaginary narrative in your head and sprout it on here like its the truth.

No club pushes a player as good as Brodie Grundy out unless they are in cap trouble

 

[PieLebo87]

Richmond fans are jerking themselves raw about getting Hopper/Taranto for big unders because of "GWS salary cap issues"....

But neutrals aren't turning around and saying GWS has to offer up a pick with Hopper/Taranto to get them to the Tigers like they are with Grundy. There is always abit of double standards in people's opinions when it comes to the Pies after what happened in 2020.

Seems like from now on, whenever Collingwood is happy to let a player go, it automatically means there is a cap problem, and that player is automatically worthless.

Granted - Grundy's contract is huge, and that drops his value, but not so much where Collingwood is going to give up a second rounder with him like some people are led to believe

 

[PieLebo87]

No club pushes a player as good as Brodie Grundy out unless they are in cap trouble

So where are you in the Hopper/Taranto thread saying the same thing? They're equally as valuable, if not more valuable than Grundy.

Why aren't people paranoid about GWS?

You'd think GWS would be doing everything in their power to keep that kind of talent on their list...

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So where are you in the Hopper/Taranto thread saying the same thing? They're equally as valuable, if not more valuable than Grundy.

Why aren't people paranoid about GWS?

You'd think GWS would be doing everything in their power to keep that kind of talent on their list...

They've been offered 7 year deals to leave their club, not been offered to pay half their salaries to leave

 

[danster168]

But neutrals aren't turning around and saying GWS has to offer up a pick with Hopper/Taranto to get them to the Tigers like they are with Grundy. There is always abit of double standards in people's opinions when it comes to the Pies after what happened in 2020.

Seems like from now on, whenever Collingwood is happy to let a player go, it automatically means there is a cap problem, and that player is automatically worthless.

Granted - Grundy's contract is huge, and that drops his value, but not so much where Collingwood is going to give up a second rounder with him like some people are led to believe

I think Melbourne offer our pick 32 for him. Seems about right. Does Grundy make Collingwood better? Marginally. Does Grundy make Melbourne better? No.

 

[Chism]

Well that's actually incorrect. The whole reason they were getting rid of them was because they couldn't fit them both into their salary cap.



Also incorrect - our salary cap is fine, and we can afford to keep him if we needed to. He will get to Melbourne though, because we'd rather use his salary elsewhere in the team, and we can afford to make these moves. Are they the right moves though? Only time will tell.

No need to create this completely imaginary narrative in your head and sprout it on here like its the truth.

How can you honestly still say your salary cap is fine??

I understand one supporting their own club but to be paying Treloar to be playing at another club and now the Grundy fiasco unfolding this is just total disaster. How one can say our Cap is fine after being made to make these moves is just alarming.

Grundy is the 2nd best ruck in the comp right now and your team has to push him out because of poor contracts made by dimwits.

How you can honestly say your clubs Cap is fine is bewildering.

 

[PieLebo87]

They've been offered 7 year deals to leave their club, not been offered to pay half their salaries to leave

What they've been offered at other clubs has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether their current club's salary cap situation allows them to remain in 2023 or not.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

What they've been offered at other clubs has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether their current club's salary cap situation allows them to remain in 2023 or not.

Yes it does and we all know it

 

[adammania9]

No club pushes a player as good as Brodie Grundy out unless they are in cap trouble

Or wants to improve their team, as in Collingwood’s case

 

[PieLebo87]

I think Melbourne offer our pick 32 for him. Seems about right. Does Grundy make Collingwood better? Marginally. Does Grundy make Melbourne better? No.

Why are Melbourne after him if he doesn't make them better? That makes zero sense to be recruiting him then.

 

[danster168]

Why are Melbourne after him if he doesn't make them better? That makes zero sense to be recruiting him then.

Why did Simon Goodwin play Ben Brown all year? The guy has lost the plot. Who would know what they see in Grundy. But yes, most people (including neutrals) would be bloody confused as to why we'd chase Grundy. Especially when we need a key forward so much.

 

[PieLebo87]

How can you honestly still say your salary cap is fine??

Because it is. His contract is a shambles, not our cap. There is a difference.

I understand one supporting their own club but to be paying Treloar to be playing at another club and now the Grundy fiasco unfolding this is just total disaster. How one can say our Cap is fine after being made to make these moves is just alarming.

Why do you keep mistaking his contract being a fiasco with the club's overall salary cap? We can afford to keep him, but we'd rather not, and we'd rather invest that shambles of a contract that they offered him off our books. Why does that automatically translate to a club all of a sudden having a salary cap issue?

Any club in the competition would need to make adjustments to their TPPs if they're wanting to make trades and bring in new players. Collingwood is no different. How do you not see that?

Grundy is the 2nd best ruck in the comp right now and your team has to push him out because of poor contracts made by dimwits.

Agreed - but Wright doesn't believe a club should be putting over $1.5m into their ruck stocks. He is cleaning that part up and re-investing Brodie's contract into other players in other positions.

How you can honestly say your clubs Cap is fine is bewildering.

Refer above.

 

[LoBu]

Because it is. His contract is a shambles, not our cap. There is a difference.

Why do you keep mistaking his contract being a fiasco with the club's overall salary cap? We can afford to keep him, but we'd rather not, and we'd rather invest that shambles of a contract that they offered him off our books. Why does that automatically translate to a club all of a sudden having a salary cap issue?

Any club in the competition would need to make adjustments to their TPPs if they're wanting to make trades and bring in new players. Collingwood is no different. How do you not see that?

Agreed - but Wright doesn't believe a club should be putting over $1.5m into their ruck stocks. He is cleaning that part up and re-investing Brodie's contract into other players in other positions.

Refer above.

That's quite the word salad just to say you've got cap trouble.

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[danster168]

Because it is. His contract is a shambles, not our cap. There is a difference.

Why do you keep mistaking his contract being a fiasco with the club's overall salary cap? We can afford to keep him, but we'd rather not, and we'd rather invest that shambles of a contract that they offered him off our books. Why does that automatically translate to a club all of a sudden having a salary cap issue?

Any club in the competition would need to make adjustments to their TPPs if they're wanting to make trades and bring in new players. Collingwood is no different. How do you not see that?

Agreed - but Wright doesn't believe a club should be putting over $1.5m into their ruck stocks. He is cleaning that part up and re-investing Brodie's contract into other players in other positions.

Refer above.

That makes no sense. Your trying to spin your way out of it. There is literally no difference between salary cap being a shambles and Grundy's contract being a shambles. Because Grundys' contract has created the salary cap shambles. Obviously. Hence you needing to trade him to fit in other players.

 

[PieLebo87]

Yes it does and we all know it

They can't afford to keep both Taranto and Hopper irrespective of what Richmond have offered them. How is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[PieLebo87]

Why did Simon Goodwin play Ben Brown all year? The guy has lost the plot. Who would know what they see in Grundy. But yes, most people (including neutrals) would be bloody confused as to why we'd chase Grundy. Especially when we need a key forward so much.

I agree, but they are obviously after him because they believe he makes them better. They are going to then offer something appropriated based on that belief he makes them better. Not some shit Grundy + 2nd Rounder because supporters don't think he/his contract is worth it. Thats all I was trying to say.

 

[PieLebo87]

That makes no sense. Your trying to spin your way out of it. There is literally no difference between salary cap being a shambles and Grundy's contract being a shambles. Because Grundys' contract has created the salary cap shambles. Obviously. Hence you needing to trade him to fit in other players.

The difference is we can afford to keep him this time around, unlike Treloar/Stephenson/Phillips. That is my definition of salary cap issues whereby we are over the cap if we had kept them. Clearly there is a difference between Grundy now, and Treloar 2 years ago. We can afford to negotiate now.

 

[Dangerousfield]

I think Melbourne offer our pick 32 for him. Seems about right. Does Grundy make Collingwood better? Marginally. Does Grundy make Melbourne better? No.

Still can't get my head around why Melbourne want Grundy and why they would let a direct flag rival get out of their salary cap problem.

Let the Pies stew I say.

 

[danster168]

I agree, but they are obviously after him because they believe he makes them better. They are going to then offer something appropriated based on that belief he makes them better. Not some s**t Grundy + 2nd Rounder because supporters don't think he/his contract is worth it. Thats all I was trying to say.

Melbourne is getting screwed over by Freo by losing Jackson, so no reason why Collingwood would get unders too.

Of course Grundy is not worth it. You're choosing Darcy Cameron, Mcstay, Bobby Hill etc. over him. Plus, I can't see Grundy even being in the afl at 33 or 34. So the 900k-1m is actually closer to 1.3m for the years that he is actually playing.

 

[danster168]

The difference is we can afford to keep him this time around, unlike Treloar/Stephenson/Phillips. That is my definition of salary cap issues whereby we are over the cap if we had kept them. Clearly there is a difference between Grundy now, and Treloar 2 years ago. We can afford to negotiate now.

you can only keep him if you don't want to bring in all of your other trade targets though.

 

[PieLebo87]

Melbourne is getting screwed over by Freo by losing Jackson, so no reason why Collingwood would get unders too.

Of course Grundy is not worth it. You're choosing Darcy Cameron, Mcstay, Bobby Hill etc. over him. Plus, I can't see Grundy even being in the afl at 33 or 34. So the 900k-1m is actually closer to 1.3m for the years that he is actually playing.

Again, I ain't disagreeing with you, and the reason Collingwood is letting him go/Melbourne is after him is something everyone is scratching their heads over collectively in agreeance.

 

[PieLebo87]

you can only keep him if you don't want to bring in all of your other trade targets though.

That's correct - but the Pies wouldn't be going out offering contracts without having some sort of gentlemen's agreement in place with the Dees.

Its all sorted - we just aren't across it and will need to wait until trade week for it to unfold.

 

[danster168]

That's correct - but the Pies wouldn't be going out offering contracts without having some sort of gentlemen's agreement in place with the Dees.

Its all sorted - we just aren't across it and will need to wait until trade week for it to unfold.

I agree in that I think its been agreed to in principle.

So what do you think the trade will be?

I for one, would not be surprised if we offered a late first, or Freo's future first, but I would be adamant that that would be a big mistake that I wouldn't forgive the club for for many years. I wouldn't even be chasing him if I was in charge.

 

[Suma Magic]

But neutrals aren't turning around and saying GWS has to offer up a pick with Hopper/Taranto to get them to the Tigers like they are with Grundy. There is always abit of double standards in people's opinions when it comes to the Pies after what happened in 2020.

Seems like from now on, whenever Collingwood is happy to let a player go, it automatically means there is a cap problem, and that player is automatically worthless.

Granted - Grundy's contract is huge, and that drops his value, but not so much where Collingwood is going to give up a second rounder with him like some people are led to believe

Why would GWS pay a club to take Taranto? He is uncontracted, they can just delist him.

Hopper might be owed half a million from GWS next year? He will earn more at Richmond. So there is no need for them to pay anyone to take him.

The pies will need to pay someone to take Grundy because no one would agree pay his current salary, even if he came free trade-wise.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Why would GWS pay a club to take Taranto? He is uncontracted, they can just delist him.

Hopper might be owed half a million from GWS next year? He will earn more at Richmond. So there is no need for them to pay anyone to take him.

The pies will need to pay someone to take Grundy because no one would agree pay his current salary, even if he came free trade-wise.

Grundy will be lining up for his pics in a Dees guernsey after being traded for a 4th round pick and Pies fans will still be trying to tell us they made out like bandits because Graham Wright told them it was a good deal.

NEWS FLASH PIES FANS - HE'S YOUR BEST PLAYER AND YOU'RE LITERALLY GIVING HIM AWAY

Clubs don't do that if their caps aren't a mess