Traded Brodie Grundy [Traded to Melbourne for #27]

[danster168]

Grundy will be lining up for his pics in a Dees guernsey after being traded for a 4th round pick and Pies fans will still be trying to tell us they made out like bandits because Graham Wright told them it was a good deal.

NEWS FLASH PIES FANS - HE'S YOUR BEST PLAYER AND YOU'RE LITERALLY GIVING HIM AWAY

Clubs don't do that if their caps aren't a mess

Best player? Yeah, no. not by a long shot. Maynard, Elliot, both Daicos', Moore, Crisp, Howe. So at best he is 8th. Most likely Ginnivan and Pendles are ahead too so he'd be around 10.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Best player? Yeah, no. not by a long shot. Maynard, Elliot, both Daicos', Moore, Crisp, Howe. So at best he is 8th. Most likely Ginnivan and Pendles are ahead too so he'd be around 10.

Brodie Grundy fit and healthy is better than every one of them. Won't change the minimal price you'll be paying either way

EDIT* --- Still don't understand why the Dees want him. Makes 0 sense when you could be targeting a Key Forward

 

[PieLebo87]

Brodie Grundy fit and healthy is better than every one of them. Won't change the minimal price you'll be paying either way

Imagine going 3-3 with your best player then 13-3 without your best player.

Geez we’re bloody good!

 

[danster168]

Brodie Grundy fit and healthy is better than every one of them. Won't change the minimal price you'll be paying either way

EDIT* --- Still don't understand why the Dees want him. Makes 0 sense when you could be targeting a Key Forward

yeah, no he isn't. Maybe you've been playing too much AFL fantasy. He's not the pig he used to be.

I do agree in that I don't know why Melbourne want him though.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Imagine going 3-3 with your best player then 13-3 without your best player.

Geez we’re bloody good!

You'll be back in the doldrums within 2 years. Half your best players are on the wrong side of 30 and outside a few youngsters there's really no up and comers there to replace them. Unless Ginnivan and Daicos are going to grow about 20cm and play as Key Forwards when Mihocek and Cox are cooked?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

yeah, no he isn't. Maybe you've been playing too much AFL fantasy. He's not the pig he used to be.

I do agree in that I don't know why Melbourne want him though.

His last 2 years have been sub standard no doubt, but there's every chance he could find his old form again just like Cripps this year. Won't happen sharing the load with Gawn though.

Hope it turns out well for him and the Dees though, great bloke from the looks of it. He and Treloar deserved better than the rubbish Collingwood has served up to them both.

 

[Suma Magic]

Grundy will be lining up for his pics in a Dees guernsey after being traded for a 4th round pick and Pies fans will still be trying to tell us they made out like bandits because Graham Wright told them it was a good deal.

NEWS FLASH PIES FANS - HE'S YOUR BEST PLAYER AND YOU'RE LITERALLY GIVING HIM AWAY

Clubs don't do that if their caps aren't a mess

I doubt the pies could trade him for a 4th rounder unless they are paying some salary.

I don’t reckon that their cap is necessarily a mess. Mostly just that the Grundy deal is a massive liability.

 

[PieLebo87]

You'll be back in the doldrums within 2 years. Half your best players are on the wrong side of 30 and outside a few youngsters there's really no up and comers there to replace them. Unless Ginnivan and Daicos are going to grow about 20cm and play as Key Forwards when Mihocek and Cox are cooked?

Great input in a Brodie Grundy D&T thread.

Ps: he’ll be 29 at the start of next year too.

 

[PieLebo87]

I don’t reckon that their cap is necessarily a mess. Mostly just that the Grundy deal is a massive liability.

I’ve been saying this all day and keep getting my head ripped off.

 

[Trav 20]

Best player? Yeah, no. not by a long shot. Maynard, Elliot, both Daicos', Moore, Crisp, Howe. So at best he is 8th. Most likely Ginnivan and Pendles are ahead too so he'd be around 10.

You really have lost the plot, Dani.

Ginnivan ? My God.

How many of those you've mentioned have been AA ? How many have won Copelands ?

All you're hanging your hat on is that he's missed a year through injury. And yes, his year prior wasn't great. But I prefer the body of evidence, which is significant.

He's in his prime for a ruck at 29. He has at least 4 more years at the top level for a ruckman IF his body is right, which you, or I, have no clue about.

Ruckman between the ages of 29-32 i.e. 4 season period, are in their sweet spot. Check out the careers of Cox, Sandilands, Goldstein, Ryder, McEvoy and others.

And guess what ? It perfectly matches our window for a flag.

 

[The Plowking]

You'll be back in the doldrums within 2 years. Half your best players are on the wrong side of 30 and outside a few youngsters there's really no up and comers there to replace them. Unless Ginnivan and Daicos are going to grow about 20cm and play as Key Forwards when Mihocek and Cox are cooked?

What's your formula for success?

A. Salary cap rort
B. Sit on the bottom of the ladder for 20 years until you nail a few picks
C. Sack a coach every other year

 

[Ginnieboy]

FA closes 10 October, Trade 12 October - Collingwood can't run this deal down to the trade wire, they have to get it done before the FA wire for McStay. MFC can let it run, that gives us a negotiation advantage, but in reality we're a very fair dealing club who doesn't burn bridges, a fair deal will be done which neither clubs' supporters are happy with.

Or another Victorian suitor emerges, ‘shit Brodie, we know you have your heart set on the Dee’s but we can’t make a deal so look for someone else, you can use our phone if you like’.

We could even renegotiate his current contract and add another 20kpa to it to soften him up, he doesn’t mind a dollar, that would take care of his salon fee’s per year.

 

[The Plowking]

You really have lost the plot, Dani.

Ginnivan ? My God.

How many of those you've mentioned have been AA ? How many have won Copelands ?

All you're hanging your hat on is that he's missed a year through injury. And yes, his year prior wasn't great. But I prefer the body of evidence, which is significant.

He's in his prime for a ruck at 29. He has at least 4 more years at the top level for a ruckman IF his body is right, which you, or I, have no clue about.

Ruckman between the ages of 29-32 i.e. 4 season period, are in their sweet spot. Check out the careers of Cox, Sandilands, Goldstein, Ryder, McEvoy and others.

And guess what ? It perfectly matches our window for a flag.

He's a very good player, not a great one.
We can do without him.
Lucky we'll pay some of his salary for you I guess!
I'm no Grundy hater, but the contract stunk from the start.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Neither will be pivotal key forwards.

They'll share main ruck duties (maybe 60/40 Grundy's way) and I suspect play 75% game time each (90 of 120 minutes), which is roughly 15% less than usual.

Melbourne's core 4 mids are as good as any in the league and they'll be serviced by multiple AA calibre ruckmen 100% of game time. What an advantage.

Posters thought we were mad taking Jackson with pick 3. It worked and he plays in a flag.

If Nankervis and Soldo can be premiership teammates in 2019 I'll back the Dees to make Gawn/Grundy work.

We do need to move the ball better and get far better connection with our forwards, but Gawn or Grundy occasionally playing forward won't determine the over-all quality of our forward-line.

Doing that at a 75 interchange cap is going to compromise the rest of your rotations too much. Gawn and grundy will need to spend time forward when they arent rucking and neither is proven as a fwd.

 

[Ginnieboy]

I agree in that I think its been agreed to in principle.

So what do you think the trade will be?

I for one, would not be surprised if we offered a late first, or Freo's future first, but I would be adamant that that would be a big mistake that I wouldn't forgive the club for for many years. I wouldn't even be chasing him if I was in charge.

But you’re not in charge and you never will be, why don’t you just trust the people who’ve returned you to the top 4.

 

[Roogene]

Talk is that is salary cap dump, as such the Pies will be taking a pick around the 3rd round as otherwise they have to pay some of his salary.

Hard call but if they are keep to clear the cap out, guess hard calls have to be made. McGuire left a total mess.

 

[Mich0]

Talk is that is salary cap dump, as such the Pies will be taking a pick around the 3rd round as otherwise they have to pay some of his salary.

Hard call but if they are keep to clear the cap out, guess hard calls have to be made. McGuire left a total mess.

Where is this talk from? I would assume if Dees are taking the whole contract surely Collingwood would need to throw in a 1st or 2nd rounder.

 

[Trav 20]

Doing that at a 75 interchange cap is going to compromise the rest of your rotations too much. Gawn and grundy will need to spend time forward when they arent rucking and neither is proven as a fwd.

Jackson played less than 73% game time.

Other players to play 20+games in 2022 to play less than 75% game time:

Hunt, Spargo, Sparrow, Harmes, as well as Bowey who played 17 games.

So we already had one ruck at 73%, so I don't think it will be too hard to keep Gawn/Grundy fresh and orchestrate that 75% level.

But look, if they play more they play more.

Btw, it will be easier to manipulate game-time if they move to a 5 man interchange bench and drop the sub, which has been mooted.

 

[danster168]

But you’re not in charge and you never will be, why don’t you just trust the people who’ve returned you to the top 4.

I don't blindly trust. Yes they returned us to the top 4 but Goodwin also took us backwards this year. He also didn't get the best out of this list in 2019 or 2020. So I'll give credit when it's due but Goodwin was disgraceful this year.

 

[danster168]

You really have lost the plot, Dani.

Ginnivan ? My God.

How many of those you've mentioned have been AA ? How many have won Copelands ?

All you're hanging your hat on is that he's missed a year through injury. And yes, his year prior wasn't great. But I prefer the body of evidence, which is significant.

He's in his prime for a ruck at 29. He has at least 4 more years at the top level for a ruckman IF his body is right, which you, or I, have no clue about.

Ruckman between the ages of 29-32 i.e. 4 season period, are in their sweet spot. Check out the careers of Cox, Sandilands, Goldstein, Ryder, McEvoy and others.

And guess what ? It perfectly matches our window for a flag.

we're not in the flag window without a key forward. it doesn't matter who we bring in, or what changes we make to the game plan, we're not going anywhere with this forward line.

 

[danster168]

You really have lost the plot, Dani.

Ginnivan ? My God.

How many of those you've mentioned have been AA ? How many have won Copelands ?

All you're hanging your hat on is that he's missed a year through injury. And yes, his year prior wasn't great. But I prefer the body of evidence, which is significant.

He's in his prime for a ruck at 29. He has at least 4 more years at the top level for a ruckman IF his body is right, which you, or I, have no clue about.

Ruckman between the ages of 29-32 i.e. 4 season period, are in their sweet spot. Check out the careers of Cox, Sandilands, Goldstein, Ryder, McEvoy and others.

And guess what ? It perfectly matches our window for a flag.

you realise what they've done in the past is irrelevant. Goldstein and Mcevoy have been terrible the last couple of years. Ryder ays half a season. That's what happens when you get older.

 

[ZEV]

You'll be back in the doldrums within 2 years. Half your best players are on the wrong side of 30 and outside a few youngsters there's really no up and comers there to replace them. Unless Ginnivan and Daicos are going to grow about 20cm and play as Key Forwards when Mihocek and Cox are cooked?

If Ginnivan can kick 40 goals in his second year, imagine what Nick Daicos could do playing forward...

 

[PieLebo87]

we're not in the flag window without a key forward. it doesn't matter who we bring in, or what changes we make to the game plan, we're not going anywhere with this forward line.

Surely a healthy McDonald straightens you up and brings out that 4-5% improvement out of the other forwards.

Sure, he isn’t a Hawkins/Lynch/Walker, but he is capable of being a point of difference in making it function better if he stays on the park.

 

[freddy mercury]

Best player? Yeah, no. not by a long shot. Maynard, Elliot, both Daicos', Moore, Crisp, Howe. So at best he is 8th. Most likely Ginnivan and Pendles are ahead too so he'd be around 10.

GINNIVAN!?!?!?!?!?! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[danster168]

GINNIVAN!?!?!?!?!?! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

says a lot about Grundy doesn't it