Brownlow Vs AFL MVP

[bunsen burner]

Josh Fraser's bald patch.

Settle down, I was talking about the Brownlow, not the Cox Plate.

 

[TheGhostOfJohnBelushi]

A select panel of three who watch every match and decide at the end who get the votes would be better. But then you have to pay three guys to watch 8 matches every weekend.

Where do I apply?

 

[Kenny_01]

Are the coaches still giving the AFLPA Coach's award where each coach in every game gives their 5, 4, 3, 2, 1s? I heard on the radio the other day they were and they read out the votes for a couple of games.

 

[Crosby87]

Voting forms in TV Week?

Please, be realistic. There's no room for the public here.

It was a suggestion. Doesn't mean I agree with it. Troll.

 

[bunsen burner]

It was a suggestion. Doesn't mean I agree with it. Troll.

No troll. Just raising some good points of why the Brownlow is so prestigious, why the MVP format wouldn't work as a replacement, and the pros and cons of who the voters should be.

 

[Lonie_from_50]

AFLPA MVP seems to be much better recognition, however the Brownlow Medal is no doubt the greatest individual award in the sport, and always will be.

It doesn't matter that the umpires vote, but the fact that spectators and players embrace the event. Take BigFooty as a perfect example of the the spectators point of view. Each week there is a new thread discussing who is going to win the Brownlow Medal, and none on the AFLPA awards. Each week the public who buy the papers read up on the Brownlow odds and at the end of the season, a bet is made. Then the players. The Brownlow count has been deemed the 'players night of nights' and so on, and all the finest are up there to accept the award wherever they are round the country. I've seen several times where a player who has won an AFLPA award, never be there on the night to accept it.

It is a simple fact. The Brownlow Medal is regarded as one of the biggest sporting events, and definately the biggest medal count in the country. The AFLPA award is highly regarded considering it is recognition by peers, but the Brownlow Medal is much more unique.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Ask Shane Crawford he has both.

So does Voss.

 

[doppleganger]

I think the umpires should know, but often they get it wrong.

how do they get it wrong???
everybody has a different opinion, rarely do newspapers list the same players in the best, even supporters have different opinions on who played well each week

so that is all it is, 3 blokes opinions on who played the best in each game of footy, not every body will agree with them but that doesn't make them wrong.

- It has to be done on a voting system per match. This holds the suspense. But a match by match voting system will sometimes throw up anomalies (ie players winning who aren't the best) regardless of how fair the judging is done

depends what u mean by best??

if ur looking for the best player in that isolated season, then the match by match voting system comes up with a correct winner

if ur looking for who people rate as the overall best player in the AFL, that is what the MVP is for as it is not actually based on anything.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

can suspended players win the MVP?

 

[wce4premiership]

Ask Shane Crawford he has both.

Ben cousins too

 

[Jeremias]

AFL MVP, because it isn't awarded by the umpires, rather by peers.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

g. healy won both in the same year

 

[Mr Lizard]

What is the AFLPA MVP?


oh, you mean the Leigh Matthews Trophy?

 

[Mordecai Bromberg]

Keep it with the Umpires.
But to confirm their recollections of the game, make em watch it again on video straight after the match before giving the votes.

They could also look at some of their dodgy decisions in the process.

 

[94_Eagles]

Umpires stil should have a better idea who the best players are.

So you can state categorically that Umpires could, in fact, make a better judgement than a panel of judges employed with the sole purpose of deciding who gets the votes on the day?

 

[bunsen burner]

how do they get it wrong???

Are you serious?

1. Woewoedin, Hardy, Libba etc
2. Carey's lack of votes
3. Lack of votes for KPPs and ruckmen

if ur looking for the best player in that isolated season, then the match by match voting system comes up with a correct winner

Not necessarily. Most people agree that the MVP system is more accurate. You won't get many people agreeing with you there.

 

[bunsen burner]

So you can state categorically that Umpires could, in fact, make a better judgement than a panel of judges employed with the sole purpose of deciding who gets the votes on the day?

What are you babbling about?

 

[TheRealComptroller]

Woewodin's 2000 Brownlow victory will continue to provide ammunition for critics of the Brownlow for many years. He wasn't even an All Australian in 2000. .............Or any other year!

We have a player who has won "the game's greatest individual honour" who never once made the league's "team of the year" in a nine season, 200 game career!

If the umpires' opinion is held in such high esteem why aren't they determining the Norm Smith medalist? Why did the league decide that on this day a panel is required? They believe the umpires are capable of adjudicating on football brilliance from R1-22, for the most high-profile award in the game, but not on GF day? They are suddenly incapable? Or do the AFL think of Woewodin and panic at the prospect of who might win the Norm Smith if the umpires were to choose?

 

[Bollox]

Got no problem with a single good season from a lesser playing jagging the medal. You cant close the door on non-elite players.

The 2000 medal was a cheap one yes....but since then it has been won by someone with almost identical stats for a season....u could argue both were "cheap" brownlows but noone seemed to complain about the other high profile winner.

When a midfielder wins it with an average of just 21-22 disposals per game then IMO u gotta start asking questions....especially when great individual performances were seemingly glossed over by the umpires for 22 weeks in a row.

The bloke who wins the MVP gets the nod for mine....the players know who the best for that season is and they DO take the voting seriously.

Cousins is the current AFL's most valuable player....he had a great season and earnt it....BUT a couple of extra flashy moments by Kerr and he wouldnt have won the Brownlow....despite being the obvious MVP for 2005.

 

[loki04]

Brownlow for mine until the players start voting after every match and not just on , oh this team is dominant he is the captain and is having a good year so they say in the paper so i'll vote for him.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Brownlow by a mile.
A long long way.