The CFMEU vs the AFL

[HairyO]

Please.

It's very naive to not believe that the Liberals take every opportunity possible to wound the unions.

They do it with the 'watch dogs' and they do it by attacking industry superannuation funds too.

Are the watchdogs fabricating evidence when they find criminal behaviour ?

 

[Kram]

He's just a dirty bludger.

 

[Dazb86]

Couldn't read the article. What's this about?

Setka wanting the umpiring boss fired because he was the head of the ABCC?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Are the watchdogs fabricating evidence when they find criminal behaviour ?

Why are you asking me that? Have you even bothered to read my posts on the subject?

 

[JackOutback]

Yeah, right


How exactly are they going to turn the torch on their own party and own mates?

You do realise that practically every benefit you receive in the workplace has been fought and won for by unions, right? Weekends, the 38-hour working week, four weeks annual leave, minimum wage, sick leave, carer's leave, childcare, the list goes on.

It is amazing how many gullible people, now that they take these things for granted, have been trained to hate the thing that won them those rights in the first place in favour of the businesses that will take them away the first opportunity they get. Throw a few extra dollars your way in a bargaining agreement, lose another right. Then actually go into bat for them. It's a little pathetic.

None of that is to excuse bad behaviour within unions, of course it happens, like anywhere. Nor is it to defend Setka, who's a twat.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

You do realise that practically every benefit you receive in the workplace has been fought and won for by unions, right? Weekends, the 38-hour working week, four weeks annual leave, minimum wage, sick leave, carer's leave, childcare, the list goes on.

It is amazing how many gullible people, now that they take these things for granted, have been trained to hate the thing that won them those rights in the first place in favour of the businesses that will take them away the first opportunity they get. Throw a few extra dollars your way in a bargaining agreement, lose another right. Then actually go into bat for them. It's a little pathetic.

None of that is to excuse bad behaviour within unions, of course it happens, like anywhere. Nor is it to defend Setka, who's a twat.

The LNP and their partners in the media demonised unions as a political ploy. Howard started it and it’s been part of the playbook ever since.

It’s done wonders.

Having said that, the unions often havent helped themselves.

Big builders and employers always had reasonably good relations with the unions. They had to.

Then a few business leaders and Howard decided they didn’t need to, and went to work.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

You do realise that practically every benefit you receive in the workplace has been fought and won for by unions, right? Weekends, the 38-hour working week, four weeks annual leave, minimum wage, sick leave, carer's leave, childcare, the list goes on.

It is amazing how many gullible people, now that they take these things for granted, have been trained to hate the thing that won them those rights in the first place in favour of the businesses that will take them away the first opportunity they get. Throw a few extra dollars your way in a bargaining agreement, lose another right. Then actually go into bat for them. It's a little pathetic.

None of that is to excuse bad behaviour within unions, of course it happens, like anywhere. Nor is it to defend Setka, who's a twat.

The most gullible thing, is the con job that the rich and powerful would look after workers better if left to their own accord.

This is the nonsensical and dastardly narrative that needs to be called out.

Every single person should 100% support the union concept. It's mind boggling that some don't.

Whether everyone supports their methods or their record of thuggery and dodginess in various scenarios is a different matter.

But it beggars belief to not believe in the union concept.

 

[boncer34]

Comparing modern unions to the unions of yesteryear is always a good one.

It's like comparing chalk and cheese.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Comparing modern unions to the unions of yesteryear is always a good one.

It's like comparing chalk and cheese.

Think it’s fair to say it depends on the individual unions

Some are extremely militant and over reach politically imo but plenty of others that are doing a fantastic job and doing a lot of good in the sectors they operate in

 

[boncer34]

Think it’s fair to say it depends on the individual unions

Some are extremely militant and over reach politically imo but plenty of others that are doing a fantastic job and doing a lot of good in the sectors they operate in

Fair call. I shouldn't lump the good in with the CFMEU.

 

[nineteen eighty]

You do realise that practically every benefit you receive in the workplace has been fought and won for by unions, right? Weekends, the 38-hour working week, four weeks annual leave, minimum wage, sick leave, carer's leave, childcare, the list goes on.

It is amazing how many gullible people, now that they take these things for granted, have been trained to hate the thing that won them those rights in the first place in favour of the businesses that will take them away the first opportunity they get. Throw a few extra dollars your way in a bargaining agreement, lose another right. Then actually go into bat for them. It's a little pathetic.

None of that is to excuse bad behaviour within unions, of course it happens, like anywhere. Nor is it to defend Setka, who's a twat.

Well said!!!

It's a shame one union in particular is tarnishing the great work of most. It's usually the case though.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Fair call. I shouldn't lump the good in with the CFMEU.

It’s easy to do, The CFMEU haven’t earned its recent reputation for nothing and have lost sight of what they should actually be working towards and fighting for

This recent news just highlights how far out of touch they are at the top and just looking to settle political scores instead of looking after it’s members interests

They have definitely soiled the name of unions overall and it’s a shame because there are a lot of unions doing a fantastic job and pushing shit up hill for its members/industries

 

[MarcMaverick]

TBF Setka is vile.

 

[Gavin Excell]

It’s easy to do, The CFMEU haven’t earned its recent reputation for nothing and have lost sight of what they should actually be working towards and fighting for

This recent news just highlights how far out of touch they are at the top and just looking to settle political scores instead of looking after it’s members interests

They have definitely soiled the name of unions overall and it’s a shame because there are a lot of unions doing a fantastic job and pushing shit up hill for its members/industries

If you're a member you've done very very well. Esp when you compare to other unions in health and hospitality and what their members pay rates and conditions are like.

 

[HairyO]

Why are you asking me that? Have you even bothered to read my posts on the subject?

You made the claim, I was simply asking about it.

 

[Muddiemoose]

If you're a member you've done very very well. Esp when you compare to other unions in health and hospitality and what their members pay rates and conditions are like.

Absolutely and that’s why it’s base is so strong but because of that strong base and backing it’s also been able to brush off some of the fair criticism at how it operates

 

[MisterMarcus]

Be that as it may, the question is will the AFL fold? I mean they're not going to sack him immediately and be seen to give into intimidation, but if the price of industrial peace and millions of dollars saved is McBurney, what do you think might happen on the quiet down the track?
Of course it could just be setka was pissed as a newt when talking to the reporter from the Oz and making hollow threats to play to his membership

Suppose they don't fold and the CFMEU goes through with their threats.

Okay, so now the CFMEU go down in history as the organisation that sabotaged footy in Tasmania and disrupted it in other states. I'm sure the ALP will be super grateful at election time to be burdened with THAT legacy.

The AFL just have to sit tight and wait for various Labor government leader to tell the union to shut the fk up and go back in their hole.

 

[EconomicDecline]

The cfmeu are an absolute disgrace, the amount of criminal behavior they get away with because of their political influence with labor is absurd. Just their usual bullying tactics here.

Pot meet Capital kettle.

 

[Sphynx]

You do realise that practically every benefit you receive in the workplace has been fought and won for by unions, right? Weekends, the 38-hour working week, four weeks annual leave, minimum wage, sick leave, carer's leave, childcare, the list goes on.

It is amazing how many gullible people, now that they take these things for granted, have been trained to hate the thing that won them those rights in the first place in favour of the businesses that will take them away the first opportunity they get. Throw a few extra dollars your way in a bargaining agreement, lose another right. Then actually go into bat for them. It's a little pathetic.

None of that is to excuse bad behaviour within unions, of course it happens, like anywhere. Nor is it to defend Setka, who's a twat.

Yes I do realise it, but nice assumption.

I'm not gullible and I'm not trained to hate the Unions by the media.

I'm a former member of the CFMEU FWIW.

 

[Bjo187]

Only 12 percent of employees are part of a union these days, it's why they force legislative change in workplace safety and industrial relations to wield more power in workplaces, because it benefits them. I grew up a labor person, my parents are dyed in the wool. Then I worked in a sector that exposed me heavily to union tactics and impact on government organisations, such as worksafe. It's extraordinary how much power they yield, scary actually when you see it first hand.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

You made the claim, I was simply asking about it.

What claim?

 

[BigPond101]

Is it true it was the same umpire who paid the ridiculous non free against Andrews in the goal square earlier too ? Could be a racial issue. It's hard to see how it isn't from this pattern. Mac Andrews was treated worse in one game than Cyril Rioli his whole career. Either that or the umpire just has an extreme case of "look at me I'm the star now" syndrome

 

[boncer34]

Is it true it was the same umpire who paid the ridiculous non free against Andrews in the goal square earlier too ? Could be a racial issue. It's hard to see how it isn't from this pattern. Mac Andrews was treated worse in one game than Cyril Rioli his whole career. Either that or the umpire just has an extreme case of "look at me I'm the star now" syndrome

What?

 

[HairyO]

It's very naive to not believe that the Liberals take every opportunity possible to wound the unions.

They do it with the 'watch dogs'

This. Are the watch dogs inventing the evidence when they find individuals in unions committing crimes?

It would be interesting to look at construction costs when we have watch dogs and construction costs when we dont. Im going to massively go out on a limb and suspect that its more expensive when there isnt oversight.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

This. Are the watch dogs inventing the evidence when they find individuals in unions committing crimes?

It would be interesting to look at construction costs when we have watch dogs and construction costs when we dont. Im going to massively go out on a limb and suspect that its more expensive when there isnt oversight.

I don't think they're inventing evidence.