The CFMEU vs the AFL

[JackOutback]

Think it’s fair to say it depends on the individual unions

Some are extremely militant and over reach politically imo but plenty of others that are doing a fantastic job and doing a lot of good in the sectors they operate in

Some definitely play dirty, but worth pointing out that unions have always been called militants for the demands for things like safety, fair pay etc. Businesses can kill people because of lax safety yet never seem to get called comparable.

 

[Flog_Toolist]

Some definitely play dirty, but worth pointing out that unions have always been called militants for the demands for things like safety, fair pay etc. Businesses can kill people because of lax safety yet never seem to get called comparable.

Check out a company called Employsure. It's owned by the billionaire Done brothers who also own a mob called BetFred in the UK. In 2023 they had to pay a 3.25 million pound fine in the UK and admitted to money laundering.

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They also recently admitted to deceiving workers and businesses with google ads masquerading as the Fair Work Ombudsman. The ACCC sued them for their wilful acts of subterfuge and data collection of unsuspecting members of the public.

Employsure to pay $3m penalty for misleading Google ads after ACCC appeal

The Full Federal Court has upheld the ACCC’s penalty appeal in a case against workplace relations advisor Employsure Pty Ltd and ordered Employsure to pay a penalty of $3 million for making false and misleading representations in its online ads that it was, or was affiliated with, a government...

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I saw Employsure ads on the fence of the SCG in the game between the Swans v Cats last weekend.

Now check out this chameleon

 

[Bjo187]

Some definitely play dirty, but worth pointing out that unions have always been called militants for the demands for things like safety, fair pay etc. Businesses can kill people because of lax safety yet never seem to get called comparable.

That's worksafe's job though not the unions, despite it being a great 'in' to job sites for the unions masquerading as being there strictly for worker safety.

 

[Flog_Toolist]

Yet the Liberals repeatedly fought against the Banking Royal Commission.

Except for the Commissions findings into industry super funds. Because the LNP and their mates in the big banks are just jealous that industry super funds do capitalism better than they do.

All that other stuff about approving loans and credit cards for the intellectually disabled, selling insurance to dead people, and allowing child molesters to use your online banking portals was just not worth looking into according to the Liberal Nationals at the time.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

a goon supported by other goons.

world would be better off without the likes of the CFMEU.

 

[Fletched]

CFMEU can gagf.

Needs to be a royal commission into the corruption in Victoria and their affiliation with a certain political party.

 

[QuietB]

AFL should threaten to ban all union ticket holders from the footy. That should settle things pretty quickly.

I am not anti union but this is petulant grandstanding by Setka.

 

[Flog_Toolist]

AFL should threaten to ban all union ticket holders from the footy.

No, just ban Employsure from putting ads on AFL ground fences.

The irony being umpires have always been considered sacrosanct while officiating games but I bet McBurney wouldn't hesitate to remove trade union affiliation/union membership as a recognisable attribute under the Anti Discrimination/Equal Opportunity Act if he had the chance.

If the AFL did what you suggest, they would get the pants sued off them in a huge class action.

 

[Cleavy]

I read somewhere that they downed tools and had a stop work because there wasn't enough chairs in the break room...

 

[t_94]

You do realise that practically every benefit you receive in the workplace has been fought and won for by unions, right? Weekends, the 38-hour working week, four weeks annual leave, minimum wage, sick leave, carer's leave, childcare, the list goes on.

It is amazing how many gullible people, now that they take these things for granted, have been trained to hate the thing that won them those rights in the first place in favour of the businesses that will take them away the first opportunity they get. Throw a few extra dollars your way in a bargaining agreement, lose another right. Then actually go into bat for them. It's a little pathetic.

None of that is to excuse bad behaviour within unions, of course it happens, like anywhere. Nor is it to defend Setka, who's a twat.

This is all true, however in my experience, having won those things they have now morphed in to something else

I worked for a union for 3 years and most of the key employees were just using it as a vehicle to advance their own agenda and/or career.

 

[Great8]

Unfortunately for John, the AFL is not his ex-wife and he won't be able to beat them into submission.

You’re in trouble now. He’ll hide in his office and send his goons around to your place with the knuckledusters

 

[1990crow]

He wasn't "sent in by the the Liberals"

The ABCC is a regulatory watchdog for the construction industry which investigates corruption and illegal practice.


The CFMEU hate it for obvious reasons and pressure sitting federal Labour Governments to disband it whenever they get in power federally.

The Liberals regularly re-form it immediately when it's in power as it's been disbanded by the ousted ALP government. The immediate mandate is to investigate the unions and the ALP for their actions, deals and decisions whilst the body has been disbanded and with no regulatory oversight.

And around and around we go....


For all their left leaning, inclusive and rabid commentary around the incompetence and racist/far right involvement with the LPA, it's the really dark association the ALP's supporters love to ignore doesn't exist. The CFMEU is as big of a far right/racist (almost paramilitary) organization that exists in this country of that scale. They preach inclusiveness and fly first nations and rainbow flags as fronts really. They hide behind "workplace safety" in basically every action they do.


It's basically for all intensive purpose a legitimized outlaw motorcycle gang inherently involved in blackmailing and bribing one of the major political parties (and in most cases sitting government) for favours in policy and oversight.


There's no possible counter argument for the abolishment of the ABCC other than avoiding independent oversight and illegal activity.


When Setka says it "cost his workers and the industry millions", what he means is McBurney chaired an authority which actually investigated their illegal activity in which they couldn't get away with whatever they wanted.


If a state government pressure the AFL bow to this it would be an absolute disgrace.

I'm a Labor voter but i don't disagree.
Vote Labor - gang like Union corruption.
Vote Liberal - just your run of the mill corporate corruption with a side of wage theft, climate change science denial and no actual policy.

 

[Flog_Toolist]

The following video is dedicated to Stephen McBurney as a former well paid partisan political appointee of the equivalent of the modern day form of Star Chamber inquisition. I'm sure McBurney would love this:



The next video is dedicated to the fans of 'Employsure' and the AFL in allowing Employsures ads to run on AFL ground fences during a time of growing casualization, precarious employment and the saturation of gambling company owned advertising at AFL grounds in 2024.

 

[Bjo187]

The following video is dedicated to Stephen McBurney as a former well paid partisan political appointee of the equivalent of the modern day form of Star Chamber inquisition. I'm sure McBurney would love this:



The next video is dedicated to the fans of 'Employsure' and the AFL in allowing Employsures ads to run on AFL ground fences during a time of growing casualization, precarious employment and the saturation of gambling company owned advertising at AFL grounds in 2024.

I agree on employsure, most of their staff aren't even qualified, but they run a slick campaign and suck in employers to signing up through scare campaigns that 'if you don't have this you'll go to jail'. They are just a private company though, not an industry/employer association. In fact, the employer associations can't stand them.

 

[rye]

hope setka is succesful

 

[Flog_Toolist]

They are just a private company though, not an industry association.

BetFred left Australia because they said the gambling market was too competitive to enter. Now they just masquerade as something else both online and at the footy.

 

[QuietB]

This is all true, however in my experience, having won those things they have now morphed in to something else

I worked for a union for 3 years and most of the key employees were just using it as a vehicle to advance their own agenda and/or career.

So some are the same as bankers, lawyers, financiers, insurers, real estate agents, car salesmen, ……….

 

[QuietB]

I'm a Labor voter but i don't disagree.
Vote Labor - gang like Union corruption.
Vote Liberal - just your run of the mill corporate corruption with a side of wage theft, climate change science denial and no actual policy.

Politics in this country is a disgrace - three majors are entirely owned

 

[1990crow]

Politics in this country is a disgrace - three majors are entirely owned

Politics used to be about what was best for the majority.
Now it's the minorities and vested interests.

 

[QuietB]

Politics used to be about what was best for the majority.
Now it's the minorities and vested interests.

Labor make some effort to be balanced but ultimately they fold.

And the masses have it way too good to care (which is good I guess) and this results in power being way too concentrated.

It is depressing that The Lucky Country is still relevant today. Everything could be so so much better.

 

[The 747]

Labor make some effort to be balanced but ultimately they fold.

And the masses have it way too good to care (which is good I guess) and this results in power being way too concentrated.

It is depressing that The Lucky Country is still relevant today. Everything could be so so much better.

"Australia is a first-rate country run by second-rate people."

 

[TheEscapeClub]

The most gullible thing, is the con job that the rich and powerful would look after workers better if left to their own accord.

This is the nonsensical and dastardly narrative that needs to be called out.

Every single person should 100% support the union concept. It's mind boggling that some don't.

Whether everyone supports their methods or their record of thuggery and dodginess in various scenarios is a different matter.

But it beggars belief to not believe in the union concept.

I spent more than a decade working in the non-unionised mines of WA where in the end I was working a 2/1 roster which is essentially a 56 hour working week.

I now work on a unionised site in Vic, doing a 36 hour week and getting paid better.

Role practically the same except there's no flies, 48 degree heat, red dirt, flying in and out, I don't work weekends or public holidays or night shift and I'm home every night.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Setka is jelly that Dan Andrews got an AO for ****ing Victoria.

Setka is going for a knighthood so imagine what damage he'd have to do for one of them?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Only 12 percent of employees are part of a union these days, it's why they force legislative change in workplace safety and industrial relations to wield more power in workplaces, because it benefits them. I grew up a labor person, my parents are dyed in the wool. Then I worked in a sector that exposed me heavily to union tactics and impact on government organisations, such as worksafe. It's extraordinary how much power they yield, scary actually when you see it first hand.

Yeah I’m very similar. Parents pretty strong labor, they taught us about unions in school and we felt so empowered. The CFMEU are nothing like what they taught us in school. Scum of an organisation. I have also seen and experienced their bullying tactics first hand and it’s amazing how far they will go to get their way.

 

[Dee Train]

Typical CFMEU scum thug