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ManWithNoName said:
If I hadn't seen it I wouldn't have believed it. They f***ed up Born to Run.

"That's the fastest we ever played that motherf***er"
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ManWithNoName said:
Elephant in the room: Eddie struggled big time filling in for Jake.
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I heard from some people that were there (that obviously aren't you guys) there were a few problems with the night.

The train to the arena broke down and people were desperately tweeting for the show not to start.

Having to restart BTR then it being played so fast. Heard there was a problem with Thunder Road too?

Ed struggling on sax.

Arena staff stuffed up the GA placement.

Plus sundry complaints about the length of the show (hey didn't break 3 hours); Bruce playing covers; and people not knowing songs from Darkness. Sydneysiders. :rolleyes::p
 
Yeah there were a LOT of empty seats when he came out.

Didn't play Thunder Road.

Well that's my opinion but a lot of other people are saying he was fine. I wasn't having a go at him, impossible task having to learn an entirely new role on what, two days notice? He did an amazing job. But I thought I noticed several missed/wrong notes or false starts and the like. May have just been me.

Security were a joke with GA.
 

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ManWithNoName said:
Security were a joke with GA.
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What let anybody in, or were nazi's?

Last year at Sydney 2 I was on the left had side about 2/3rds of the way up. I watched the GA area in front of me closely and was confident that if I had a tray of beers, carried on the hand that had the wrist band, and nodded a g'day as I went past them, I would have got in because they were slack compared to the Brisbane guys, who handed you a GA ticket to leave the area and had to be handed back when you re-entered. That's what happened to my brother in law when he took his nephew to the loo.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Great video of Don't Change + BTR + DITD intro.

Wow no Andrew Farris synthesisers instead a horn section, Bruce's growl rather than Michael Hutchence's smooth tones makes for an interesting cover.

The BTR stuff up at around 5-35 and that's the fastest we've ever played that mother f**ker at around 10-55.


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Oh my god...and only a few pages back I said for me it was Springsteen, INXS and U2 in the 80's....unreal!
 
Jake is back. Know people who saw him in Sydney.

And Ed was fantastic. Everybody I have spoken to said he was great. Seasoned professional, did not struggle at all, did a fantastic job.

DBD was flawless, and Don't Change was awesome.

Glad we got Darkness and I heard Racing. Streets of Fire kicked ass.

BToR was ridiculously too fast. Train wreck.
 
ManWithNoName said:
Yeah there were a LOT of empty seats when he came out.

Didn't play Thunder Road.

Well that's my opinion but a lot of other people are saying he was fine. I wasn't having a go at him, impossible task having to learn an entirely new role on what, two days notice? He did an amazing job. But I thought I noticed several missed/wrong notes or false starts and the like. May have just been me.

Security were a joke with GA.
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Went back to check the email ... said Thunder Road was started then abandoned.

Disappointing that Melbourne 2 is unavailable. Still, have the Adelaide double and that is a great coverage of songs.
 

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Bruce wants us to spend more $$$$$. He has digitally remastered 10 albums, 5 were recorded using analogue technology. Not sure how you remaster High Hopes which was only released last month.

UpForGrabs is remastering the WIESS acceptable to you?? I remember you commenting don't touch it when I said they should re-record it with the new big band.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5908460/bruce-springsteen-masters-10-of-his-best-for-itunes
The Boss has dropped ten re-mastered albums on the iTunes store.

Five of the re-released classic Bruce Springsteen albums -- “Greetings from Asbury Park, NJ," "The Wild, The Innocent & The E Street Shuffle," "Born To Run," "Darkness On The Edge Of Town," and "Born In The U.S.A." -- have been transferred from analog to digital using new Plangent Processes technology for the first time. All ten albums were remastered by Bob Ludwig, the celebrated audio engineer who has worked on records by the likes of Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix and the Rolling Stones.

......

Bruce Springsteen’s 10 Albums Mastered For iTunes:

1. "Greetings From Asbury Park, NJ"

2. "The Wild, The Innocent & The E Street Shuffle"

3. "Born To Run"

4. "Darkness On The Edge of Town"

5. "Born In The U.S.A."

6. "We Shall Overcome -- The Seeger Sessions"

7. "Working On A Dream"

8. "The Promise"

9. "Wrecking Ball"

10. "High Hopes"
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5908460/bruce-springsteen-masters-10-of-his-best-for-itunes
 
Ford Fairlane said:
Went back to check the email ... said Thunder Road was started then abandoned.

Disappointing that Melbourne 2 is unavailable. Still, have the Adelaide double and that is a great coverage of songs.
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Nah, Kevin brought up the guitar and harmonica like he does for Thunder Road, but he'd already pulled out the sign for Surprise Surprise and waved away the harmonica.
 
ManWithNoName said:
Nah, Kevin brought up the guitar and harmonica like he does for Thunder Road, but he'd already pulled out the sign for Surprise Surprise and waved away the harmonica.
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Sounds like some concert goers being a bit hypersensitive.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Bruce wants us to spend more $$$$$. He has digitally remastered 10 albums, 5 were recorded using analogue technology. Not sure how you remaster High Hopes which was only released last month.

UpForGrabs is remastering the WIESS acceptable to you?? I remember you commenting don't touch it when I said they should re-record it with the new big band.
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Re-mastering's fine with me, just don't re-mix or re-record.

It was recorded by a 23/24 year old Springsteen, with a young band behind him in a crappy backwater studio. You can hear the creaking of pianos even. These are part of the charms which make the album so remarkable.

Remaster it? Sure, go ahead. It needs to be cleaned up and the original transfer to CD sounds poor (sounds much better on vinyl). Just don't change the mix, or re-record things.

Apart from having it sound 'better', I just don't see the reason behind re-recording it. There's a few things which would make it a disaster.

1) There's no Vini Lopez. Sure, Max Weinberg's a powerhouse but Vini was perfect on that album. His Moon-style drumming plus his backing vocals? Awesome.
2) No David Sancious. Now, Roy's my favourite E-Streeter (apart from Bruce), but Sancious was out of this world on TWIESS. For 'New York City Serenade' alone, you need him, but there's no way Bruce would let Roy not play. Which is a pity because as great as they've been, I haven't heard a post-Sancious 'NYC Serenade' where Roy has been even 50% as good in the intro as Sancious was on the record.
3) No Danny, No Clarence. Enough said really.
4) Springsteen himself. He's not the same 23 year old who recorded the songs. His voice in part is better now than when it was back then, but in ways it's not at all (the lazy twang bruce resorts to sometimes is annoying).
5) I don't think a 17-piece band like today could begin to accomplish what it took 6 young men to do back in 1973.

But mostly, it'd be impossible to recreate the impact the original has. To quote William Ruhlmann from allmusic.com (who said it best when he said that TWIESS was an "accidental miracle"):

"...the album's songs contain the best realization of Springsteen's poetic vision, which soon enough would be tarnished by disillusionment. He would later make different albums, but he never made a better one. The truth is, The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle is one of the greatest albums in the history of rock & roll."
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You could never do the album justice by trying to re-record it.

Sure, go ahead and do it, and then make them bonus tracks or a bonus disc. But remaster the shit out of the original, but that's it. Sound quality aside - you can't improve on perfection.
 
UpForGrabs said:
Re-mastering's fine with me, just don't re-mix or re-record.

It was recorded by a 23/24 year old Springsteen, with a young band behind him in a crappy backwater studio. You can hear the creaking of pianos even. These are part of the charms which make the album so remarkable.

Remaster it? Sure, go ahead. It needs to be cleaned up and the original transfer to CD sounds poor (sounds much better on vinyl). Just don't change the mix, or re-record things.

Apart from having it sound 'better', I just don't see the reason behind re-recording it. There's a few things which would make it a disaster.

1) There's no Vini Lopez. Sure, Max Weinberg's a powerhouse but Vini was perfect on that album. His Moon-style drumming plus his backing vocals? Awesome.
2) No David Sancious. Now, Roy's my favourite E-Streeter (apart from Bruce), but Sancious was out of this world on TWIESS. For 'New York City Serenade' alone, you need him, but there's no way Bruce would let Roy not play. Which is a pity because as great as they've been, I haven't heard a post-Sancious 'NYC Serenade' where Roy has been even 50% as good in the intro as Sancious was on the record.
3) No Danny, No Clarence. Enough said really.
4) Springsteen himself. He's not the same 23 year old who recorded the songs. His voice in part is better now than when it was back then, but in ways it's not at all (the lazy twang bruce resorts to sometimes is annoying).
5) I don't think a 17-piece band like today could begin to accomplish what it took 6 young men to do back in 1973.

But mostly, it'd be impossible to recreate the impact the original has. To quote William Ruhlmann from allmusic.com (who said it best when he said that TWIESS was an "accidental miracle"):



You could never do the album justice by trying to re-record it.

Sure, go ahead and do it, and then make them bonus tracks or a bonus disc. But remaster the shit out of the original, but that's it. Sound quality aside - you can't improve on perfection.
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You have convinced me that I have to abandon the thought. One day I might make my own mix of the best live recordings I can find of each song.

The one thing you have convinced me to do is go get my turntable fixed - need a new belt - and get a new stylus and play my vinyl copy rather than my CD copy. Haven't played my vinyl copy since 1995 I reckon. maybe earlier.
 
UpForGrabs said:
(as you can probably tell, I'm a tad attached to that album)
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No dramas. You have studied it more in depth than I have and have nicely stated some of the gems in there that I have forgotten and a couple I have missed. As I said, I have to fix my turntable and give it a really good listen again.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
No dramas. You have studied it more in depth than I have and have nicely stated some of the gems in there that I have forgotten and a couple I have missed. As I said, I have to fix my turntable and give it a really good listen again.
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Haha, not sure about "studied", unless that means "listened to hundreds of times" and played air guitar every single time!
 
UpForGrabs said:
Haha, not sure about "studied", unless that means "listened to hundreds of times" and played air guitar every single time!
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If you have not studied it, then you have made intense audio observations over the years. ;)
 
UpForGrabs said:
Re-mastering's fine with me, just don't re-mix or re-record.

It was recorded by a 23/24 year old Springsteen, with a young band behind him in a crappy backwater studio. You can hear the creaking of pianos even. These are part of the charms which make the album so remarkable.

Remaster it? Sure, go ahead. It needs to be cleaned up and the original transfer to CD sounds poor (sounds much better on vinyl). Just don't change the mix, or re-record things.

Apart from having it sound 'better', I just don't see the reason behind re-recording it. There's a few things which would make it a disaster.

1) There's no Vini Lopez. Sure, Max Weinberg's a powerhouse but Vini was perfect on that album. His Moon-style drumming plus his backing vocals? Awesome.
2) No David Sancious. Now, Roy's my favourite E-Streeter (apart from Bruce), but Sancious was out of this world on TWIESS. For 'New York City Serenade' alone, you need him, but there's no way Bruce would let Roy not play. Which is a pity because as great as they've been, I haven't heard a post-Sancious 'NYC Serenade' where Roy has been even 50% as good in the intro as Sancious was on the record.
3) No Danny, No Clarence. Enough said really.
4) Springsteen himself. He's not the same 23 year old who recorded the songs. His voice in part is better now than when it was back then, but in ways it's not at all (the lazy twang bruce resorts to sometimes is annoying).
5) I don't think a 17-piece band like today could begin to accomplish what it took 6 young men to do back in 1973.

But mostly, it'd be impossible to recreate the impact the original has. To quote William Ruhlmann from allmusic.com (who said it best when he said that TWIESS was an "accidental miracle"):



You could never do the album justice by trying to re-record it.

Sure, go ahead and do it, and then make them bonus tracks or a bonus disc. But remaster the shit out of the original, but that's it. Sound quality aside - you can't improve on perfection.
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That is close to the very best post that I have ever read on this forum. Found myself having a think and then nodding my head in agreement with every single point that you have made.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
. One day I might make my own mix of the best live recordings I can find of each song.
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You can shoot me a copy when you do that....saves me from doing it and I trust your judgement:).


BTW, were you still talking to me after the 2nd Adelaide show when that guy (cameraman) gave my sister "Bruce's" plectrum? Still not sure whether it's the genuine article or not....I'm happy to believe that it is. Either way, it's far more heavy duty that the cheap things that I use and it's been through a tough time.
 

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