Bryce Gibbs staying at Carlton - Silvagni in the no blinking zone

[La Dispute]

Yeah, I'm sure Port's cap space was the deciding factor for him.

Don't be ridiculous. If worse comes to worst, we can afford to help Port out with his salary and I'm pretty confident we wouldn't mind doing that if it got us pick #9 instead of #13.

Port's cap space is a deciding factor because it quite literally means can't go there. What's not to understand? They can't pay him.

 

[Stamos]

Adelaide could probably trade Lyons and 13 for pick 8 to Gold Coast.

Big assumption.
But it's up to Adelaide to become creative if they want Gibbs.

 

[HARKER]

Big assumption.
But it's up to Adelaide to become creative if they want Gibbs.

Just going to say the same Stamos

Lots of assumptions as though we're the only players out there.
As it is, we're holding back and we may lose some of our targets but may just as possibly land some that weren't there earlier.

Not going to lose my mind about Gibbs for now, or would I choose to believe that trading one player is the panacea to our list build.

 

[Jimmae]

Yeh eff off Adelaide ( I need a bare bum emoji).

This is a chance to set our club up for a decade. If we blow it again I'll be furious.

Goreds was pretty much telling you that the window for the rebuild is smaller than you thought. Stop thinking beyond 2020, and start thinking before and you'll be less furious about us wanting more than #13 and some glitter for one of our best players.

Well Barass was on the money again about us wanting Lang for Tuohy

The Age floated that we were after Lang or Cockatoo, he simply pointed out that Lang was the only one Geelong engaged in a serious discussion about, but he's supposedly not interested at the moment.

But a much younger Mitchell = 14 ???

He's just not that good dude, and some of us have been pointing it out all year. He might even be worth less than 14 depending on the pick swaps that occur (I'd suggest the Hawks are looking to secure higher picks to replenish their list in a midfield heavy draft).

Everyone wants the bakers to bake - until it comes to baking time.
Everyone wants the Club to be run professionally and to a plan for the long term - until three days into trade weeks..
My my people arwe even quesitoning SOS being in Perth ( if he is) ....


I have no dounbt that smelly half stepper has upset some planning Bwyce all he needed to do was add mounting depression to family needs and he woudl be a victim.


SOS and Bolton have had ZERO warning to plan for this - and Adelaide have offered NOTHING concrete- except to say Gibbsy's missus want to come here and none of our players want to go to Carlton.

hilarious.

You've had another go at me here so I'll be clear: I'm only questioning the truth of the rumour, because it sounds plainly dumb for SOS to be chasing people all over the country during trade week. This is 2016 and people are a perfectly secure phone call away.

Further to this, SOS does modelling of all players in the AFL, and several other leagues. He had a valuation for Gibbs the minute the idea of this kind of trade popped into his head. What he may not have had is contact with Adelaide in a timely fashion, and contact with player agents over their willingness to be a part of a deal.

That's the only concern, and frankly for a 4th tall in their forward line or a midfielder who is getting replaced to reject us is them (or Adelaide) not facing reality. We get in the ball park of what we want or Bryce doesn't go, which seems to be the mood from both the club and Bryce's camp.

 

[arsene wenger1]

That makes sense to me because why would Gibbs be holding up other deals?

I'd just walk away from the talks with a "take it or leave it" Simple and fair for everyone, I would have thought.

Why would we be spending time talking (what begging?) to Adelaide? Nonsense.

Do Carlton want to use pick 5 for marchbank?

 

[Malifice]

Big assumption.
But it's up to Adelaide to become creative if they want Gibbs.

Lyons and 13 to GCS, 8 to Carlton, Gibbs to Adelaide.

Values Lyons at 330 points or around pick 46 in value. It's unders us getting pick 13 and a second rounder.

Even then (and even assuming we have to trade 5 for Mbank Pickett and 15) we enter the draft with 8, 15, 24 and 42. It's not as good as 13 plus a second rounder but it's an extra 1st rounder (Ainsworth probs).

 

[Jimmae]

Lyons and 13 to GCS, 8 to Carlton, Gibbs to Adelaide.

Values Lyons at 330 points or around pick 46 in value. It's unders us getting pick 13 and a second rounder.

Even then (and even assuming we have to trade 5 for Mbank Pickett and 15) we enter the draft with 8, 15, 24 and 42. It's not as good as 13 plus a second rounder but it's an extra 1st rounder (Ainsworth probs).

It's pretty obvious we don't want a 1:1 deal for Gibbs (or less) unless it's going to get us someone who can step in and do what Bryce does from virtually minute one.

In this draft, that's a top 2 pick. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want a top 2 pick for him, just that #8 isn't as strong a bargaining chip as what you think it is.

 

[TheCoach16]

Sorry about the font size changing.

Only happens when i enter text on my phone.

I'm using voice to text now and seems to work fine. Super high Tech - I just talk into my television and it converts to text. The girlfriend thinks I'm an idiot for talking into the TV though

I speak to the TV all the time. MrsCoach comes in and reminds me "they can't hear you, you know..."



So I speak louder...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Port's cap space is a deciding factor because it quite literally means can't go there. What's not to understand? They can't pay him.

Did you not read my second sentence? Try again.

 

[Malifice]

Goreds was pretty much telling you that the window for the rebuild is smaller than you thought. Stop thinking beyond 2020, and start thinking before and you'll be less furious about us wanting more than #13 and some glitter for one of our best.

We're miles off it. 2020 onwards. The worst thing we can do now is get ahead of ourselves and not be methodical in concentrating talent in that 23 year old and under line.

It shocks me that despite all the club has been saying people still don't get this. We're resetting the list. 23 and younger. We're 12 months into a 3 year list rebuild.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Fox guys speculating Gibbs for this year's first rounder and next year's second.

Supposedly we want either of Cameron & McGovern, but they ain't budging.

 

[La Dispute]

That's the only concern, and frankly for a 4th tall in their forward line or a midfielder who is getting replaced to reject us is them (or Adelaide) not facing reality. We get in the ball park of what we want or Bryce doesn't go, which seems to be the mood from both the club and Bryce's camp.

Spot on.

Adelaide want to obtain our best outside midfielder, who happens to be contracted, but won't even entertain trading their 5th best forward.

It's laughable.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Didn't Walker seek a trade a few years ago? Didn't seem to affect his relationship with the other fellas when it didn't come to fruition.
Or am I mis-remembering?

 

[HARKER]

Do Carlton want to use pick 5 for marchbank?

Pick #59 would be better but that won't happen.
Just a bit of push and shove going on but we have declared our hand, so we'll see.

 

[La Dispute]

Did you not read my second sentence? Try again.

About us paying his contract to play there?

What are you smoking son?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Didn't Walker seek a trade a few years ago? Didn't seem to affect his relationship with the other fellas when it didn't come to fruition.
Or am I mis-remembering?

Walker didn't tell them all to stay and stick it through and then decide to leave 2 years in to a 5 year deal. Different situation.

He's contradicted himself.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Fox guys speculating Gibbs for this year's first rounder and next year's second.

Supposedly we want either of Cameron & McGovern, but they ain't budging.

The players or the club aren't budging?

 

[Malifice]

Blow it??? Because we don't trade Gibbs??

We have the forwards coming through, we have the back line coming through, our midfield is light on so why would you trade Gibbs??? He has 5 years in him and we will be well in the window by then! Add 1 superstar mid next year and we are off and running!

We don't have the forwards. Harry McKay is unknown. We are about eight midfielders short. The backline is about the only place that we have sorted.

Murphy and Simpson are on the way out. We have to stock up on the next three drafts with as much talent as we can.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

About us paying his contract to play there?

What are you smoking son?

Put it this way, you're Port Adelaide and Bryce Gibbs says he wants to join the club. Do you say no? I'm sure they would find a way to get him in with some help from us.

We won't be paying his entire contract and I live a straight edge life style. Son.

 

[I AM CARLTON]

Ok here is what we know

Adelaide desperately want Gibbs
Port cant afford Gibbs
We want 1 of crows youngster Cameron, McGovern or Crouch boys
Adelaide dont want to give up any of their young talent but more to the point none of them want to come to Carlton.

Question is based on the above would we accept 2 first rounders and maybe a 2nd rounder for Gibbs?

 

[Jimmae]

We're miles off it. 2020 onwards. The worst thing we can do now is get ahead of ourselves and not be methodical in concentrating talent in that 23 year old and under line.

It shocks me that despite all the club has been saying people still don't get this. We're resetting the list. 23 and younger. We're 12 months into a 3 year list rebuild.

Some things for you to keep in mind:

- Thomas and Everitt are the only overvalued contracts on our list at the moment, so we've just about cleaned house
- Our goal is to improve our 22 on the aggregate and have competition for spots where possible, all while developing a strong senior core for the next 5-8 years via the draft

How does pick 13 and Lyons do that for us compared to Byrce? Lyons replaces Bryce's finishing for the most part, but is poorer inside, slower outside and not as intelligent about dropping forward, back and into space. He marks time while we replace Bryce, leaving us with 13 to do the job. What are the odds of that?

Deal needs more about it or it won't happen, and it won't disrupt the club. In fact, watch how many members go mental for both club and player if he stays.

"We didn't get bullied"

"He turned down top 4 for us"

etc

Didn't Walker seek a trade a few years ago? Didn't seem to affect his relationship with the other fellas when it didn't come to fruition.
Or am I mis-remembering?

That's 100% correct.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

The players or the club aren't budging?

Not too sure.

Niall, with some fabulous heresay, reckons he heard BB say he doesn't want players at Carlton that don't want to be there......whoever that is directed at.....

All speculation.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

We don't have the forwards. Harry McKay is unknown. We are about eight midfielders short. The backline is about the only place that we have sorted.

Murphy and Simpson are on the way out. We have to stock up on the next three drafts with as much talent as we can.

Agreed.

 

[Malifice]

My phone does it. No idea why.

Doesn't show when I post it, only when quoted.

Dude mines totally doing the same thing.

 

[Arr0w]

As previously stated:

The Gibbs deal will get done and it will be overs, even for a player of his age and talent. It will be done Monday/Tuesday

We will retain pick 5, while obtaining at least 3 players from GWS

Be patient people




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