Bryce Gibbs staying at Carlton - Silvagni in the no blinking zone

[ShanDog]

Out of curiosity what would us blinking entail?

Probably 13 and a player like McGovern. Or perhaps a swap of future first and second rounds picks instead of a player.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Question is....what do you really want

IMO pick 13 + a good young player, two late firsts with a swap of later picks, or a top 10 pick would get it done.

 

[La Dispute]

Out of curiosity what would us blinking entail?

Pick 13, 2017 1st rounder for Gibbs and Pick 24.

 

[La Dispute]

Shouldn't be a reflection on Carlton. We are showing strength. Adelaide have nailed their reputation to the mast over this since they announced it, are broadly thought to need a quality mid to win a flag but hadn't checked to see what the asking price was before announcing it.

They really have opened up Pandora's box on this one and are going to have to get creative or bend to our will.

Both options are good for us.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Reckon we just sit tight and wait for the Cows to blink.

Will you care if he stays? It's an opportunity for Carlton too, to score a first for a guy who likely won't be a part of your premiership run in a few years.

 

[ParapMarkets]

(pickett we should get cheap as he's nominated us).

GWS have tried to force Pickett on to North and he has said that if he can't get to Carlton he would rather stay in Sydney. GWS will be keen to get rid of him to help salary cap pressure, finally a player is helping us out at the trade table. Should get him pretty cheap.

 

[Lace_Out]

Walker didn't tell them all to stay and stick it through and then decide to leave 2 years in to a 5 year deal. Different situation.

He's contradicted himself.

It just highlights how obvious it is that he is getting his strings pulled.

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[Vamos Juddamente]

GWS have tried to force Pickett on to North and he has said that if he can't get to Carlton he would rather stay in Sydney. GWS will be keen to get rid of him to help salary cap pressure, finally a player is helping us out at the trade table. Should get him pretty cheap.

If this is true I don't care about his foot bring him in SOS.

 

[Malifice]

Agreed but...

Speculative picks for B grade mids, which is what we will get with our picks, will not cut it...

13 is NOT a good pick, if it was do you think that SOS wouldn't have jumped on it straight away???

Pickett was a no 4 pick and yet he is labeled as lazy so he can't get a game. SOS rates him and Bolts thinks he can turn him around, that's much better than a speculative pick in my book...

2017 is the year to stock pile picks and go after a star...

B grade mids with pick 13 and five?

Need I remind you where Patrick Cripps was drafted? What about Nat Fyfe? Patrick Dangerfield? Joel Selwood? Sam Mitchell? Zach Merrett?

13 is a fantastic pick. Any pick in the top 20 is a good chance of being the best player picked. That honour rarely goes to pick one. Most players taken in the top 20 go on to be 200 gamers. Having two picks in the top 20 virtually guarantees that you will get a very very good player.

Of course we could f*ck those pick up. But even with everything else being equal, the more darts you throw at a dartboard the greater your chance of getting a bull's-eye.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You don't know that.

Keep speculating though.

You've been speculating even more than me. What I do know is he had coffee with Tex Walker. It's so bloody obvious he's only interested in Adelaide Crows.

Why?

 

[La Dispute]

Will you care if he stays? It's an opportunity for Carlton too, to score a first for a guy who likely won't be a part of your premiership run in a few years.

I'd personally be very happy. Draft picks are nice, they are new and they are novelty but Gibbo is a known commodity, an A-grader and a match-winner.

I don't think he'll be part of our next flag tilt but if we aren't going to get value for him I'd rather he stay, set the example, and provide leadership and experience to our young group. You can't quantify those values.

 

[Jimmae]

You know after all the crap Gibbs and his management have put us through in the past week (Marchbank and Pickett would have become Blues by now if not for The Glenelg Drama Queen) under no circumstances do i want the man with the My Little Pony hair cut back at this footy club.

If the poor darling had given the courtesy of a month's warning before deciding to jog on, we would have had time to make arrangements.

But nope, our whole trade period has been Joan Collinsed by the treasonous sudden desertion of My Little Brycie. He has to go,.

Not true. Nap time.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Didn't Walker seek a trade a few years ago? Didn't seem to affect his relationship with the other fellas when it didn't come to fruition.
Or am I mis-remembering?

Very good point! He was gone but we couldn't agree on a deal.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Agreed but...

Speculative picks for B grade mids, which is what we will get with our picks, will not cut it...

13 is NOT a good pick, if it was do you think that SOS wouldn't have jumped on it straight away???

Pickett was a no 4 pick and yet he is labeled as lazy so he can't get a game. SOS rates him and Bolts thinks he can turn him around, that's much better than a speculative pick in my book...

2017 is the year to stock pile picks and go after a star...

We got Cripps with pick #13 and he is a better player than Gibbs.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

god some of the hyperbole in this thread has done my head in
wake me up when Gibbs is officially gone thanks

 

[arsene wenger1]

Adelaide to play in the SANFL

They do

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Will you care if he stays? It's an opportunity for Carlton too, to score a first for a guy who likely won't be a part of your premiership run in a few years.

Suppose I have an emotional attachment to the guy.

The year he was to be drafted, threw away my Sturt hat, and went and saw him play for Glenelg maybe half a dozen times, and he was amazing. 16 year old kid more than matching it with the big guys, they knocked the snot out of him, and he kept getting up.

He's polarised a few at Carlton, but he's played so many different roles that people have taken him for granted.

Make no mistake, he's a match winner.

 

[La Dispute]

You've been speculating even more than me. What I do know is he had coffee with Tex Walker. It's so bloody obvious he's only interested in Adelaide Crows.

Why?

Having a latte and being traded to Adelaide aren't mutually exclusive.

You realise Geelong flew Joel Selwood over to Adelaide to convince Travis Boak to join Geelong while he was uncontracted?

Don't be naive.

 

[TheCoach16]

Question is....what do you really want

Gibbs!

 

[Arr0w]

Mate no offence I have not been on BF that long, but do you know this or are you dreaming it up?

Dreaming? Do you see any of what I have said being unrealistic?




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[The Old Dark Navy's]

Reckon we just sit tight and wait for the Cows to blink.

This is an unplanned bonus. We either win big or we carry on as we intended a few days back.

 

[Malifice]

This is all about trying to facilitate family pressures, but there's more than one way to address that. I doubt his partner would begrudge another 2-6 years in Melbourne when she sat down and thought about it, especially if there's career success for Bryce.

If there isn't, well then I'm sure club and player will be happy to revisit this in a year or two. Adelaide need to pony up.


McKay is not an unknown, simply yet to debut. They've had him in the club for 12 months and have seen how he adapts to what's asked of him. We absolutely have the forwards for 2 years from now, with Ben Silvagni coming in then too.

Here's what goreds is talking about:

FB: Byrne Marchbank Plowman
HB: Docherty Weitering Tuohy?
C: Cuningham Gibbs Simpson
HF: Buckley Stewart Sumner
FF: Silvagni McKay C.Curnow

R: Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

Int: E.Curnow, Pickett, <???>, <???>

Potential options on our list: Korcheck, Boekhorst, Wright, Glass-McCasker

Maybes: DVR, Kerridge, Sheehan, Gowers, Phillips, Jaksch, Armfield, Casboult, Rowe

Potential options that we're entertaining: A. Kennedy, Lang, Ahern, JO'M (can't rule this one out just yet), Hrovat, S. Lloyd, M. McGovern, C. Cameron, B. Crouch (can't rule this out yet, but we'll have to give something up)

Maybes: Lyons, Finlayson, Corr

If we get 3 or 4 of those potential options without haemorrhaging our draft position and only losing 1 or 2 players, we're ahead, and then we've got better results, 2 drafts and 2 free agency periods to further mould the list without diluting it.

Not even a top eight list, let alone a premiership list over the next three years.

Cripps, Docherty, Plowman, Weitering, last years draftees, this years draftees, next years draftees and maybe Kieran Byrne and Dylan Buckley form the nucleus of our next premiership side. They'll need around five years of playing together before they click. In particular the talls including the tall forwards will need five years development at least.

The greatest risk of derailing current plan is to get ahead of ourselves.

 

[BlueTongue]

Suppose I have an emotional attachment to the guy.

The year he was to be drafted, threw away my Sturt hat, and went and saw him play for Glenelg maybe half a dozen times, and he was amazing. 16 year old kid more than matching it with the big guys, they knocked the snot out of him, and he kept getting up.

He's polarised a few at Carlton, but he's played so many different roles that people have taken him for granted.

Make no mistake, he's a match winner.

Thanks for the timely reminder on how ****ing mercenary we are being in this thread

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Having a latte and being traded to Adelaide aren't isn't mutually exclusive.

You realise Geelong flew Joel Selwood over to Adelaide to convince Travis Boak to join Geelong while he was uncontracted?

Don't be naive.

I'm not being naive. After the coffee we find out he wants to leave. Along with the fact that Adelaide are closer to a flag than Port, it's just too much of a coincidence.

Family reasons is the best way for him to not make himself look bad by walking out on his contract after telling his team mates not to go anywhere.

Two additional things are ****ing us over here.

1 - He isn't a FA. If he was, we'd get band 1 compo = pick #6. The fact that he's contracted plays into our favour with trade negotiations, but ultimately pick #6 is better than anything Adelaide can and will offer. Why sign a 5 year deal if there is even a slight possibility you want to move back to Adelaide?

2 - He didn't inform the club of this earlier. He left it until trade period which gave us zero time to prepare anything. It has undoubtedly thrown a curve ball to our trade plans and stagnated other deals we were hoping to make.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

If this is true I don't care about his foot bring him in SOS.

Absolutely! If the dear boy is that keen to play for Carlton, then who are we to disappoint him?!