News Bucks set to get 2 year extension

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

MM unexpectedly reached the GF in 2002, unlucky not to win. We got there again in 03 and were clearly out matched. He then had 7 years before getting back to the trough to wield the cup of pleasure. Questions do need to be asked but then need to be the right questions - not ones born out of frustration and near-sightedness. So we've had 2 seasons without finals while we have pruned hard and recruited significantly - petulant demands for instant success or perennial grand finals are unrealistic. The best any club can hope for is a period when all the elements come together, not the least of which is luck, and they enjoy a crack or two at a flag before it all starts again.

MM missed the finals in 04 & 05. Disappointing but he earnt some rope by getting the team in the GF in 02 & 03. He put the team in the finals again in 06 and kept them there until his departure after another two GF in 10 & 11.

Bucks hasn't earnt any rope yet. So I don't think the comparison to MM tenure is valid.

You earn rope by improving your ladder position and or team wins. Unfortunately Bucks' team has done the exact opposite. And because of this, sceptism of wanting to not re-sign him now is absolutely valid.

What makes Bucks situation worse is that most supporters agree that Derek Hine has done a great job with list management and we have great potential. Yet Bucks has failed to translate that potential to team performance over the past 2 years.

5 years is more than enough time to prove that you can coach and implement a winning game plan. We shall see if he is actually good enough this upcoming season.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

MM missed the finals in 04 & 05. Disappointing but he earnt some rope by getting the team in the GF in 02 & 03. He put the team in the finals again in 06 and kept them there until his departure after another two GF in 10 & 11.

Bucks hasn't earnt any rope yet. So I don't think the comparison to MM tenure is valid.

You earn rope by improving your ladder position and or team wins. Unfortunately Bucks' team has done the exact opposite. And because of this, sceptism of wanting to not re-sign him now is absolutely valid.

What makes Bucks situation worse is that most supporters agree that Derek Hine has done a great job with list management and we have great potential. Yet Bucks has failed to translate that potential to team performance over the past 2 years.

5 years is more than enough time to prove that you can coach and implement a winning game plan. We shall see if he is actually good enough this upcoming season.

What sort of rope?

 

[jmac70]

MM missed the finals in 04 & 05. Disappointing but he earnt some rope by getting the team in the GF in 02 & 03. He put the team in the finals again in 06 and kept them there until his departure after another two GF in 10 & 11.

Bucks hasn't earnt any rope yet. So I don't think the comparison to MM tenure is valid.

You earn rope by improving your ladder position and or team wins. Unfortunately Bucks' team has done the exact opposite. And because of this, sceptism of wanting to not re-sign him now is absolutely valid.

What makes Bucks situation worse is that most supporters agree that Derek Hine has done a great job with list management and we have great potential. Yet Bucks has failed to translate that potential to team performance over the past 2 years.

5 years is more than enough time to prove that you can coach and implement a winning game plan. We shall see if he is actually good enough this upcoming season.

The list we have now has come about as a result of trading experienced players for high draft picks. The past three seasons have involved a significant rebuild and as a result the number of wins have decreased. It is unrealistic to expect the ladder position to improve during a period of rebuilding. It takes time for young players to develop. Buckley will be re-signed because the powers that be believe in him. Many supporters do too.

 

[jmac70]

What sort of rope?

Rope a dope.

 

[Kappa]

Who doesn't like a small snack.

What sort of rope?

Rope a dope.

 

[jmac70]

That's me on the left.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

The list we have now has come about as a result of trading experienced players for high draft picks. The past three seasons have involved a significant rebuild and as a result the number of wins have decreased. It is unrealistic to expect the ladder position to improve during a period of rebuilding. It takes time for young players to develop. Buckley will be re-signed because the powers that be believe in him. Many supporters do too.

I largely agree with you for 2012, 2013 and maybe 2014.

But the team should of improved in 2015. Bucks said it himself in last year forum that he expected to make finals.

So by his own expectations he under achieved. He shouldn't be rewarded with new contracts if he can't even meet his own expectations.

We have another 12 months to assess. A decision doesn't need to be made now. Media speculation is not a valid reason for extending a coaches contract. Essendon did that with Hird and it backfired.

 

[Pie eyed]

What sort of rope?

Hemp...from past posting history.

 

[jmac70]

I largely agree with you for 2012, 2013 and maybe 2014.

But the team should of improved in 2015. Bucks said it himself in last year forum that he expected to make finals.

So by his own expectations he under achieved. He shouldn't be rewarded with new contracts if he can't even meet his own expectations.

We have another 12 months to assess. A decision doesn't need to be made now. Media speculation is not a valid reason for extending a coaches contract. Essendon did that with Hird and it backfired.

I actually think we did improve in 2015. For the first time in ages we pushed the top teams with a really good brand of footy. Our drop off was largely due to fatigue and also the decision to play inexperienced players. Moore being played ahead of White is a prime example. This decision alone may have cost us two wins but will benefit us enormously over the years to come. Extending Bucks contract is necessary because it provides confidence in the playing group that the club are committed to the rebuild.

 

[Gone Critical]

I actually think we did improve in 2015. For the first time in ages we pushed the top teams with a really good brand of footy. Our drop off was largely due to fatigue and also the decision to play inexperienced players. Moore being played ahead of White is a prime example. This decision alone may have cost us two wins but will benefit us enormously over the years to come. Extending Bucks contract is necessary because it provides confidence in the playing group that the club are committed to the rebuild.

While there is some truth in what you say I still don't see the need to sign Bucks early. This is a bit of a make or break year for him. 5th year and we need to see the team improve. If we had a similar or worse year to 2015 I think it would be time to move Bucks on. If he has signed on again and we go downhill in 2016 we will have a lame duck coach potentially and the media will attack.

Think it would be wise for the club to see how he goes during 2016 and decide during the season. I believe it's likely if we did it that way we are on the improve and it would pan out very well for the club. I am hopeful Bucks will coach us for a long time yet. Still caution isn't a bad policy at this stage.

 

[The Dawes]

I actually think we did improve in 2015. For the first time in ages we pushed the top teams with a really good brand of footy. Our drop off was largely due to fatigue and also the decision to play inexperienced players. Moore being played ahead of White is a prime example. This decision alone may have cost us two wins but will benefit us enormously over the years to come. Extending Bucks contract is necessary because it provides confidence in the playing group that the club are committed to the rebuild.

The Hawthorn game was the key moment for me.

We showed that our best was good enough to trouble the benchmark side (realistically we should have won), a side that routinely flogged us from 2012-14 - this illustrated to me that we were heading in the right direction.
If we'd managed to win that game the year may have taken a very different turn. It wasn't to be on that day, but things are turning and our day will come.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

While there is some truth in what you say I still don't see the need to sign Bucks early. This is a bit of a make or break year for him. 5th year and we need to see the team improve. If we had a similar or worse year to 2015 I think it would be time to move Bucks on. If he has signed on again and we go downhill in 2016 we will have a lame duck coach potentially and the media will attack.

Think it would be wise for the club to see how he goes during 2016 and decide during the season. I believe it's likely if we did it that way we are on the improve and it would pan out very well for the club. I am hopeful Bucks will coach us for a long time yet. Still caution isn't a bad policy at this stage.

...and yet we have thread after thread (and I'm assuming you agree with them) screaming out to sign players early before they get poached by another club, but as soon as its our coach the rationale changes, why?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

...and yet we have thread after thread (and I'm assuming you agree with them) screaming out to sign players early before they get poached by another club, but as soon as its our coach the rationale changes, why?

Because no one is trying to poach our coach.

 

[ClaytonM]

Because no one is trying to poach our coach.

Brisbane might be looking for a new coach soon.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Because no one is trying to poach our coach.

How do you know?
One respected poster on another site who is "connected" suggested as many as 10 Clubs would peruse him if he was available
You terminally miserable folk will never acknowledge his obvious abilities, you will never recognise what other coaches say about him, you will never acknowledge what the respected media say about him, you are so blind it is staggering

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

The American Civil War only lasted 4 years.

For the good of our collective sanity Bucks must resign now and hand over the role to Rocca.

 

[Soaring Magpie]

I largely agree with you for 2012, 2013 and maybe 2014.

But the team should of improved in 2015. Bucks said it himself in last year forum that he expected to make finals.

So by his own expectations he under achieved. He shouldn't be rewarded with new contracts if he can't even meet his own expectations.

We have another 12 months to assess. A decision doesn't need to be made now. Media speculation is not a valid reason for extending a coaches contract. Essendon did that with Hird and it backfired.

I saw improvement in 2015, not in terms of ladder position but the way the team competed against the top sides showed improvement. How many times can a young side take it up to the top sides without the reward of a win, confidence was lost after that 4 game block after the bye which we lost by a small margin every week, it took its toll on the group.
However the foundations were set last year and bucks showed he has this young group heading in the right direction

 

[Anzacday]

The American Civil War only lasted 4 years.

For the good of our collective sanity Bucks must resign now and hand over the role to Rocca.

Might be easier to close down any Bucks threads and we move on.

 

[jmac70]

While there is some truth in what you say I still don't see the need to sign Bucks early. This is a bit of a make or break year for him. 5th year and we need to see the team improve. If we had a similar or worse year to 2015 I think it would be time to move Bucks on. If he has signed on again and we go downhill in 2016 we will have a lame duck coach potentially and the media will attack.

Think it would be wise for the club to see how he goes during 2016 and decide during the season. I believe it's likely if we did it that way we are on the improve and it would pan out very well for the club. I am hopeful Bucks will coach us for a long time yet. Still caution isn't a bad policy at this stage.

The whole point of re-signing him is that it isn't a make or break year in 2016. We are still in the process of getting the list to the required level of experience. This will require that young players are given games ahead of more seasoned players. It will cost us wins but the greater goal is 2017 and beyond. Buckley is not a care taker coach. He is charged with delivering during our window of contention. He has to be re-signed because this window opens up in 2017 and beyond.

 

[Countrypie]

The Hawthorn game was the key moment for me.

We showed that our best was good enough to trouble the benchmark side (realistically we should have won), a side that routinely flogged us from 2012-14 - this illustrated to me that we were heading in the right direction.
If we'd managed to win that game the year may have taken a very different turn. It wasn't to be on that day, but things are turning and our day will come.

Did it for me too. If it wasn't for some insane Rioli brilliance we would have won. The thing that stood out to me was that we played Moore and Maynard in that game. Very brave thing to do, could have gone horribly wrong

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

How do you know?
One respected poster on another site who is "connected" suggested as many as 10 Clubs would peruse him if he was available
You terminally miserable folk will never acknowledge his obvious abilities, you will never recognise what other coaches say about him, you will never acknowledge what the respected media say about him, you are so blind it is staggering

Instead of lumping me in with others, a dig through my post history will tell you I've said many times I believe Bucks is actually a good coach, just not for OUR group. I actually thought he would have been a great fit and lolNorf or Bitchmond who were originally pursuing him before we signed him.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Im on the fence with this one.
I am confident in Bucks and the direction he's taking the team, and was generally happy with our improved performances in 2015 (though frustrated by the repeated close losses), and i think once we get some wins on the board this is the type of style that could be succesful in september.

But, there is no denying the fall off in 2014 and 2015. There are good reasons for both years (first injuries, then the loss of form/momentum/confidence after repeated close losses... As well as the introduction of young players), and i do worry about what would happen if the group had another sustained run of poor form.

Ideally, we could wait and see how 2016 goes before deciding, just in case we do drop further down the ladder (which i think is unlikely and would be disapponting).
But waiting needs to be balanced with stability/confidence - does the club/group want a coach under pressure for his job, or do they want to show each other the confidence to continue playing the long game?

 

[Pie eyed]

The Hawthorn game was the key moment for me.

We showed that our best was good enough to trouble the benchmark side (realistically we should have won), a side that routinely flogged us from 2012-14 - this illustrated to me that we were heading in the right direction.
If we'd managed to win that game the year may have taken a very different turn. It wasn't to be on that day, but things are turning and our day will come.

The whole year would have been seen differently.

 

[Pie eyed]

The American Civil War only lasted 4 years.

For the good of our collective sanity Bucks must resign now and hand over the role to Rocca.

Rocca would have us with a side full of "Bambini", over weight and addicted to Lasagna, but who could all spot a torp from 75 metres.
Don't get me wrong I love Pebbles. A great player and great servant and a great bloke...probably my favorite player since Daics.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Maybe buckly can get paid out in dentist vouchers

Welcome Habib. So close. But for the spelling error you would have smashed us with your wit.