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Seriously GC, I only have to read your first two sentences to see you are missing the point. The criteria that Bucks is being judged on by the club is not the same at yours. The main priority is to continue the development of a young group with the focus being 2017 and beyond. If we exceed expectations then great, if not it is not the end of the world. The reality is, and it is one that a few supporters on here need to accept, is that Bucks DOES get a free swing in 2016.
You can't just make up your criteria and say that it is how the club see it and some other posters is not. You don't actually know any better than GC or anyone else what the club's criteria is.

We can debate what we think it should be which is another matter again. For mine, given the recruiting, we look to be aiming to play finals and I would expect not playing finals would be seen as failure internally unless there are extenuating circumstances like a big injury list. I'm not confident we will measure up to that but we are in the mix.

As for evidence of the clubs take on it, there isn't much other than the list structuring via trades and comments from Buckley about how much better placed we are than last year. Based on prior comments about ladder expectations from the CEO I'd think it much more likely the clubs thinks we should play finals in 2016.

As you have said though, none of it will change the fact that Buckley will be coaching Collingwood in 2017 (and 2018 for that matter).
 
I see no reason why the club shouldn't invest as much in Bucks as a coach as we have with any new player coming on-board. He's had a few years in the system as coach now, we've committed to him showing improvement over then next couple which is inline with the improvement we should see from the playing group on-field and if it doesn't work out in 2 years I'm comfortable in the fact that our squad should be close to peaking meaning luring an experienced and proven coach to take that final step should be easier.

To me having Bucks signed on for 2 more years won't halt our development as a team to premiership contenders in 3 years.
 
I don't know why we're having this discussion about a two year contract extension for the coach. It's all irrelevant to the longevity of the coach which will be depend on his on going performance during the season. If he drops his bundle like Malthouse did at Carlton he will be out the door before we all blink and his contract won't save him. Buckley has repeatedly stated that he will do the right thing and walk if it doesn't work out. That's the advantage of having a coach who is Collingwood through and through, rather than having a coach who is a mercenary who is doing it for fame and money.
 

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Neither am I but when such hypocrisy is said Im not going to let it slide. You change your mind like the wind.
What a good coach, he will be signing a new contract very soon :)
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I am not interested in discussing Malthouse. It has no relevance to the future, which is what Buckley is all about.
What is some peoples obsession about bringing up malthouse.
Thats so 2011!

I just done get the obsession with the past.

Once Buckley retires etc there will be little need to keep referring to him.
Save for the enjoyment of the flags he would have coached us too
 
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COLLINGWOOD coach Nathan Buckley wants to coach the club for as long as he possibly can, but insisted winning an extended contract has not been at the forefront of his mind.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...top-afl-priority/story-e6frf3e3-1227614970738

"He pointed to Taylor Adams, Jamie Elliott, Brodie Grundy, Tom Langdon, Jarrod Witts, Jack Frost and Darcy Moore, as well as prized recruits Adam Treloar and James Aish, as the players who would determine how successful the club will be in 2016".

That's the key to finals footy right there IMO. Add a fit Reid and Swan to that and we are an infinite better team than 2015.
 
Neither am I but when such hypocrisy is said Im not going to let it slide. You change your mind like the wind.

I have changed my mind on Buckley being re-signed and am happy to admit it. The trade period in particular has clarified for me that Buckley is the right coach. If you think that makes me any less of a supporter then you are mistaken.
 
I have changed my mind on Buckley being re-signed and am happy to admit it. The trade period in particular has clarified for me that Buckley is the right coach. If you think that makes me any less of a supporter then you are mistaken.
I think you'll find that makes you a supporter, (he says remembering the OP).
 
If you look at Buckley based purely on results, it does seem a bit odd to extend his contract. However, I think it's clear the players (especially the younger group) have bought into what Buckley is trying to do. I've never been involved in a professional football club so I can't be certain, but I'd imagine that extending his contract is about stability. You let the players know that what they've been building since 2012 isn't going to change by being forced to bring in a new coach and they can focus purely on football.

I don't think the club is stupid though, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a performance based condition to his contract, should he get a new one.
 
l have also change my mind on bucks signing early, all for it now.
the position of the team in the last few years has not worried me as l can see the direction
of the club was heading after 2012. the team has got younger and hungrier but it takes time.
all teams that have long tem success are not built over night. not worried if we don't make the finals
next year, but have we play against the best will tell how much we have improved and the gap between our best and
worst. full confidence in were the club as a whole is going
 

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Loved Bucks article today on the AFL website. He just crystallises everything and takes away controversy. Basic message I am here to do the job, I love it, I love the club. That's my focus and the contract can look after itself. Leads by example.
 
I have changed my mind on Buckley being re-signed and am happy to admit it. The trade period in particular has clarified for me that Buckley is the right coach. If you think that makes me any less of a supporter then you are mistaken.

I never said you wernt. Not sure on the criteria you use to re-sign a coach though? Id have thought winning games and improved performance would rate highly.....
 
I never said you wernt. Not sure on the criteria you use to re-sign a coach though? Id have thought winning games and improved performance would rate highly.....

Our performance is improving so happy to re-sign him.
 
I never said you wernt. Not sure on the criteria you use to re-sign a coach though? Id have thought winning games and improved performance would rate highly.....
A team called Hawthorn were being encouraged to replace their coach because he could not win big games.
They failed in 09, 10, 11 & 12...even their ex President was calling for his head.
However, Hawthorn had a plan & stuck to it.
The coach who was under the pump has just delivered 3 straight flags.
If that was Melbourne, St Kilda, Footscray, Richmond or Carlton...they would have changed horses mid stream.
Hawthorn did not. Collingwood should not
 
A team called Hawthorn were being encouraged to replace their coach because he could not win big games.
They failed in 09, 10, 11 & 12...even their ex President was calling for his head.
However, Hawthorn had a plan & stuck to it.
The coach who was under the pump has just delivered 3 straight flags.
If that was Melbourne, St Kilda, Footscray, Richmond or Carlton...they would have changed horses mid stream.
Hawthorn did not. Collingwood should not
Hawthorn & Geelong stuck with their coaches and it proved to be the right move. That doesn't make Buckley the right or wrong coach any more than the Dogs or Adelaide not sticking with their coach and improving results. We've had less coaches than anyone over just about any period you care to mention, short term, long term or medium and we've one 2 flags in more than half a century. We probably stuck with Mathews and then Shaw too long and they had quite different results to their credit. We only had Hafey for 5 years and played 5 GFs including the draw but the players revolted and he got the arse. Buckley may or may not be the right coach for us right now and going forward but other clubs good and bad calls have nothing to do with that. At some point the list management and games won results have to be the deciding factor.
 
Hawthorn & Geelong stuck with their coaches and it proved to be the right move. That doesn't make Buckley the right or wrong coach any more than the Dogs or Adelaide not sticking with their coach and improving results. We've had less coaches than anyone over just about any period you care to mention, short term, long term or medium and we've one 2 flags in more than half a century. We probably stuck with Mathews and then Shaw too long and they had quite different results to their credit. We only had Hafey for 5 years and played 5 GFs including the draw but the players revolted and he got the arse. Buckley may or may not be the right coach for us right now and going forward but other clubs good and bad calls have nothing to do with that. At some point the list management and games won results have to be the deciding factor.
Tautology?
List management...Ahh...now you're talking.
By the way...I disagree with you.
 
I see no reason why the club shouldn't invest as much in Bucks as a coach as we have with any new player coming on-board. He's had a few years in the system as coach now, we've committed to him showing improvement over then next couple which is inline with the improvement we should see from the playing group on-field and if it doesn't work out in 2 years I'm comfortable in the fact that our squad should be close to peaking meaning luring an experienced and proven coach to take that final step should be easier.
To me having Bucks signed on for 2 more years won't halt our development as a team to premiership contenders in 3 years.

Good point re our investment in Bucks.

The one way this could impact on our development as a team to premiership contenders in 3 years is via instability, controversy and media speculation around the coach. This could come next year if we do poorly. Alternatively we could make the finals in 2016 but not improve significantly in 2017 on that again raising questions. The two 'natural' benchmark years are 2016 - make the finals and 2018 - make the four/top teams level. I think it is a pity the club has not aligned its coaching contracts with expected 'natural' benchmarks.
 

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