Mega Thread Buddy Franklin moves to Sydney

[Kingsfoil]

Huge overs for a player on the decline. I think this will bite Sydney hard in a couple of years, maybe even as early as next year.

 

[WhippingCupcakes]

Buddy's contract works out to be about 1.1mil a year.
With Bolton, Morton and Mattner retiring and Mummy and White probably moving on.
In the next couple of years Goodes, O'keefe, Shaw, LRT also retiring... is it that unrealistic?

Plus what big names are on Sydney's list? Goodes was the only real one when we won the flag last year. Talking up Hannebury before last years GF would of got laughs from other teams supporters.

I can only think of 3 top 10 draft picks on our list (Mcveigh, Bolton, Rohan).

 

[QuietB]

No one actually believes he will play for 9 years do they?

Won't happen but he'll still get the 10m.

$1m in 10 years will be the equivalent of $500k today - no big deal. Hawks should match it. It is the same as their offer, $1.1m a year.

 

[Nathanmmx]

What, and you and your Collingwood deniers aren't? It's LOL funny!

Arent Sydney the ones with a playing academy that according to Richard Colless no other team should be allowed to access players from? And Sydney fans claim Collingwood get all the advantages. Righttttt

 

[greennick]

If he retires does it?

If he retires injured, then the AFL can allow them to pay any amount owing outside of the salary cap. However, I would hope they would deny it given the length of the contract, which is clearly taking the piss. Otherwise we'll end up in a situation like the NHL had...

What teams used to do is sign 15 year contracts when guys were in their 30's. They would then be able to prorate the signing bonus over the length of the contract. However, when the player retired they would then be able to just have that salary cap amounts allocated to future years disappear, so the player got paid, but a portion of it never counted in the salary cap. Now they have this:

CAP ADVANTAGE RECAPTURE (Roberto Luongo Rule)
Teams receiving a “cap advantage” from long-term contracts — defined as seven years or more for contracts signed prior to the January 2013 CBA — will be penalized in the event the player retires or “defects” from the NHL before the contract expires. A team receives a “cap advantage” when the player’s actual salary exceeds his cap hit in a given year.
Following retirement/defection, the “advantage” will be “recaptured” and charged against the club’s cap in equal amounts each year until the contract expires. This penalty applies to any team that received a cap advantage from the contract — ie. a traded contract — except in the event that the trade occurred prior to the new CBA coming into place in January 2013.

 

[Rev08]

I mean Hawks fans have every right to be pissed. But this is the same club that has strip mined weaker clubs. Lake, Burgoyne, Gunston, Simpkin, Guerra, Hale and Gibson were all lured to the Hawks. No different at all the what the Swans have done.

Do your research please.

Guerra and simpkin both delisted.
Lake took a significant pay cut.
Gunston was returning to melbourne and several offers of similar value from a number of melbourne clubs.
North paid half of hales salary.
Gibson moved to hawks not for money but because he wanted to play defence but was being used in the midfield at north.
Burgoyne reduced contract after injury troubles at port.

None of them compare to the fact that Sydney blew other clubs out of the water with massive contracts for buddy and Tippett.

 

[greennick]

I don't really care to be honest. Through the Richard Pratt/Visy connection, Carlton and Judd came to an agreement for Judd to be compensated for future services rendered to Visy. If Visy feel that whatever Judd does or does not do for their company is worth the sum they're paying him, that's their business. It's just another way for a player to have an endorsement/sponsorship deal.

This is business. People use the tools they have at their disposal to their advantage, to gain an advantage. Simple.

I disagree with that so much. Powerful clubs like ours shouldn't be allowed to set-up third party deals for players outside of the cap. Otherwise, we may as well get rid of the cap.

 

[Arwib]

Do your research please.

Guerra and simpkin both delisted.
Lake took a significant pay cut.
Gunston was returning to melbourne and several offers of similar value from a number of melbourne clubs.
North paid half of hales salary.
Gibson moved to hawks not for money but because he wanted to play defence but was being used in the midfield at north.
Burgoyne reduced contract after injury troubles at port.

None of them compare to the fact that Sydney blew other clubs out of the water with massive contracts for buddy and Tippett.

10m over 9 years is 1.1m a year, less per year than GWS said they were offering and according to Shane Crawford, also less than Hawthorn were offering.

 

[Freomaniac]

Sydney just lost the respect of the country.

Does that meant you hate the swans more than freo?

 

[greennick]

Ireland mentioned on AFL 360 tonight that the 3rd party deals for Buddy were in. He wasn't asked, he brought it up.

Big call considering all deals need to be approved by the AFL and they obviously haven't seen them yet as no paperwork could be submitted.

 

[hardon]

Has buddy confused COLA with coke???

boom-tish!!!

 

[ShaySwannies]

Could it be the Swans will be paying top dollar for a player on the decline? Just saying............

As a Swans supporter who is a tad skeptical of this deal, I'm hoping his off-year mirrors the Cloke contract saga. As we know once he was signed and sealed he kicked 68 goals and was the All-Australian CHF. Expect a bounce back year for Buddy.

 

[Gods_Son23]

Do your research please.

Guerra and simpkin both delisted.
Lake took a significant pay cut.
Gunston was returning to melbourne and several offers of similar value from a number of melbourne clubs.
North paid half of hales salary.
Gibson moved to hawks not for money but because he wanted to play defence but was being used in the midfield at north.
Burgoyne reduced contract after injury troubles at port.

None of them compare to the fact that Sydney blew other clubs out of the water with massive contracts for buddy and Tippett.

exactly. they are completely different issues.

 

[Damon_3388]

I disagree with that so much. Powerful clubs like ours shouldn't be allowed to set-up third party deals for players outside of the cap. Otherwise, we may as well get rid of the cap.

If other clubs have an issue with it, they can simply get more connections and get better at business.

It's up to the league to rule against it. Until they do, it's open slather, and clubs shouldn't be demonised for doing things that aren't against the rules.

 

[manboob]

Do your research please.

Guerra and simpkin both delisted.
Lake took a significant pay cut.
Gunston was returning to melbourne and several offers of similar value from a number of melbourne clubs.
North paid half of hales salary.
Gibson moved to hawks not for money but because he wanted to play defence but was being used in the midfield at north.
Burgoyne reduced contract after injury troubles at port.

None of them compare to the fact that Sydney blew other clubs out of the water with massive contracts for buddy and Tippett.

Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy. Leon Cameron admitted to the fact that the Hawks start targeting players long before their contracts are up.

 

[doona]

ALL teams should be paying the same amount to their players. None of this 90% for one side, and 100% for another. ALL teams should be paying the same amount of money to coaches and have similar facility levels. ALL teams should have the same salary cap.

Yes, Collingwood are a lucky side, where players are starting to request they go to the Pies. It shouldn't be that way. I am only happy about this, because to compete it is necessary. But I would give it all away for an even competition.

I could be considered a one eyed pie supporter, but I do like to see the Tigers in the finals this year, and Fremantly make their first Grand Final in their careers. I would love to see Dogs rise, and get some flags. I know some people that are old, and only wish to see that of there side. Same with the Demons. I want to see them come back up and be competitive. I hate to see dynasties. I hate to see Cats be so good for so long, or Hawks. You come up, you are there abouts for a few years, you win one, and you drop down and rebuild.

Anything less puts a big asterix beside the names of the premiership winners.

I hated seeing Brian Lake winning the Norm Smith. He jumped from a side that was no chance of a premiership and simply went to a strong side, and won one. ANYONE could do that. But at least he chose between money or success, and he chose success. Buddy choses more money, and more success.

THE most hated person in the AFL is what he has become, and I hope all bad things for him.

Why not just level the full playing field and all vic teams travel as much as interstate teams (if not that not play most of there games on the G?), play the grand final on a neutral ground.

salary is only one equalization method. While teams can request blockbusters, third party interest in the game it is BS the game will ever be even.

When less then 5 (normally 1, 2 or 0) players get drafted from NSW, how can we keep interstate players? There is no players coming home. we can never pick home state players. Like on SEN, the COLA is to keep players at the club not get them. what it was before, it was only renamed a few years ago.

What about off field spending? why should you have a hyperbaric chamber and no other club has one? How does that even the competition.

Gate takings for stadiums, MCG teams have a way better deal then the Ethiad clubs? why not equalize that money?

There will never be a level playing field.

 

[TheMase]

Arent Sydney the ones with a playing academy that according to Richard Colless no other team should be allowed to access players from? And Sydney fans claim Collingwood get all the advantages. Righttttt

Perris is a scholarship holder from the old system. The one all clubs had access to...and some drafted....

As for this great Academy, and those kids playing through our reserves, we are finally going to have a player from it. It proves very costly to run but NSW players need a pathway for elite development. The great majority still aren't good enough for the top level.

If will help the whole competition over the long run.

 

[Footy 1st]

Reading this forum, it's obvious, maybe NSW is too expensive for AFL expansion, throwing good money after bad chasing history-proven fical support is a ludicrous business model...QLD, maybe the same... 1 team in AFL state Tasmania, another team in Sth Australia & another in Western Australia....no COLA required apparently! If u think this is ridiculous re-read the plethora of pages previous, some perlas in there!
Franklin apparently prefers staying out of the spotlight???? Hahahaha had he signalled his intentions of a Bondi flat because he misses his girlfriend a couple of months ago, this would be a non-issue. He's been a great player, disappointing parting of company though.

 

[hk89]

10m over 9 years is 1.1m a year, less per year than GWS said they were offering and according to Shane Crawford, also less than Hawthorn were offering.

I'm sure even a Sydney fan is capable of working out 9*1.1m > 5*1.1m ? Especially if 5 would have brought you to a believable retirement age. Crooked.

 

[Nathanmmx]

Perris is a scholarship holder from the old system. The one all clubs had access to...and some drafted....

As for this great Academy, and those kids playing through our reserves, we are finally going to have a player from it. It proves very costly to run but NSW players need a pathway for elite development. The great majority still aren't good enough for the top level.

If will help the whole competition over the long run.

How, when even Paul Roos gets his hand slapped for daring to talk to one of your academy players?

And so you are saying Collingwoods gate receipts dont help the whole competition then? You think they keep every cent for themselves?

 

[rjslcM]

Do your research please.

Guerra and simpkin both delisted.
Lake took a significant pay cut.
Gunston was returning to melbourne and several offers of similar value from a number of melbourne clubs.
North paid half of hales salary.
Gibson moved to hawks not for money but because he wanted to play defence but was being used in the midfield at north.
Burgoyne reduced contract after injury troubles at port.

None of them compare to the fact that Sydney blew other clubs out of the water with massive contracts for buddy and Tippett.

Gibbo went for the Hawks as a kid...

We got all these players under the same salary cap as everyone else too!

 

[Keyza]

The rules were you can't have 3rd party deals, unless your name is Judd. Till they removed the Judd exception.

So there werent really over 100 players with 3rd party deals at the same time as Judd? I take it Judd lied when he said that he had 3rd party deals when he was with the WCE.

 

[Arwib]

How, when even Paul Roos gets his hand slapped for daring to talk to one of your academy players?

And so you are saying Collingwoods gate receipts dont help the whole competition then? You think they keep every cent for themselves?

Scholarship player. Different thing.

 

[Nathanmmx]

Scholarship player. Different thing.

Ah I see, so Sydney Swans give scholarships to anyone that looks good in the academy and all the rest of the duds are the ones the other 17 teams have access to? Sounds fair to me

 

[doona]

So there werent really over 100 players with 3rd party deals at the same time as Judd? I take it Judd lied when he said that he had 3rd party deals when he was with the WCE.

Not that were excluded from the third party deal salary cap. Each team has one.